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I have just spent the last hour reviewing many boards and have to say had some of the best laughs ever. Not sure why I am laughing as really I think it is quite serious.
Ok a definition of a laboratory is a room or building with scientific equipment for doing scientific tests or for teaching science, or a place where chemicals or medicines are produced. Now every week we seem to hear / see a new laboratory manufacturing and selling AAS. Now we could argue this is great as increased products and competition is only good for the consumer. In my opinion it is disastrous as sooner or later it will cause a serious incident and actually reduce choice.
My feelings are (and they are just my feelings) that the word laboratory is used in the wrong context although using the definition I have provided can be seen appropriate. In reality most of these underground labs are no more than a man or woman in their kitchens converting powders and inserting into vials and then applying a label.
The set up process is usually along the lines of. A person (lets name them Mr Nokia so there are no comparisons or the usual you are backing one and not the other) obtains internet access. Mr Nokia then spends time reading conversion forums and asking questions so as to gain limited knowledge on how to convert a raw powder to an injectable oil state. This solid advice is given by anonymous users who may or may not be issuing good chemical advice but hey they seem to know what they are talking about so its fine I am sure.
Mr Nokia then finds a powder & vial supplier and purchases some stock. When his parents are out (you would not believe the amount of teenagers that are running this operation post GCSE Chemistry passes) and he lets loose with his new found knowledge and vials creating a conversion process from the kitchen.
In terms of sterility yes he washes his hands prior to doing anything and the pots and pans he uses have been through the dishwasher so all is fine is it not?
Anyway after a couple of hours hard work and checking the instructions again on the net posted but possibly another teenager who read a different forum he has produced 20 vials of X product. Looks a bit misty but hey must be fine.
Next, let’s think of an attractive name. For this example we will use his own name Nokia. As the definition of where it was produced matches ‘’ a place where chemicals or medicines are produced’’ we must add the word laboratory. So hey Nokia Laboratories are born.
Now comes the marketing aspect as no one will buy it so Mr Nokia employs a company from the net to design a logo that is eye catching and professional looking. This expense / outlay is minimal but now offers identity and the labels can be produced and applied to his 20 vials.
Now as Nokia Labs are not well know he needs to market the name. Mr Nokia then establishes that he must sell cheap and contacts sources offering his products at very attractive prices. The sources then advertise using many different methods from open source posting, posts on boards etc & the new lab is born!
My whole point is and what I find disturbing is there are so many people that will purchase a product (and I am quoting some actual replies to threads made):
He always answers mails quickly
His prices are second to none
His turnaround is excellent
Great vials and labels very professional
Another user had great gains from his product
He messed an order up and sent me an extra vial
Now many call Body Builders meatheads but come on is the above real reason to take this vial insert the oil into a syringe and inject into your body? What about sterility, quality control, accurate dosaging, raw material quality etc etc Who says he get sthis batch ok and the next he has a hangover and something goes wrong.
Come on if we relate to pharm companies they spend how much on sterile conditions, regulated supply chain of raw materials, quality control process, regular audits of production, regular tests of product, regulated packaging plants, the list continues. Why are these in place? so they are fit for Human consumption but they cost is enormous which has to be absorbed.
Yes there are a few Labs that have invested in chemists, premises etc etc but they are so far and few between as uptake on the name Lab has been relentless overshadowing many of the established names.
There are many AAS and many circumstances that Pharm grade can not be used or obtained but surely the reasoning to purchase and inject can not be because of price or nice labels can it? Speaking for myself I will ONLY inject what I know to believe a quality product into my body. I do that but finding out as much as I can about where it came from and ensuring that the reputation gained has been done over a long time and with independent laboratory reports taken. This is not full proof I understand but there must be for any UG lab some reports done by users who are well know and not connected.
As I started this thread I looked around so many sites and yes people favour one ‘’lab’’ over another but when I look at the names guess what how many were sources using that board to promote what they sell.
Now I will complete this as I have now got it off my chest I do not care what UG Lab you use it is your body and your choice what you inject. Please do some homework and before you inject take the time to review the relevant lab in terms of set up, independent reports, what problems have been associated, different user experiences. I would say if you decision to inject is over a financial saving then I really do see these labs being disastrous as sources will no longer stock pharm grade or ‘’proper labs’’ (as much more to be earned with kitchen chemists), there will be a serious health incident raising the already bad profile of AAS
Please be safe this is a serious game we all play. If you imagine a teenager cooking up some raw powders in the kitchen with one eye on an internet chat board. He then loads it into a syringe and comes towards you would you be comfortable with it? Well what makes you think half of these UG labs are anything different?
Now before the criticism / flaming starts let me end by YOU CAN USE WHO YOU WANT I REALLY DO NOT CARE AS IT IS NOT MY BODY AND I HAVE NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE. These are just my thoughts as I find it all quite worrying but hey I may be old school!
Wrongun!
Ok a definition of a laboratory is a room or building with scientific equipment for doing scientific tests or for teaching science, or a place where chemicals or medicines are produced. Now every week we seem to hear / see a new laboratory manufacturing and selling AAS. Now we could argue this is great as increased products and competition is only good for the consumer. In my opinion it is disastrous as sooner or later it will cause a serious incident and actually reduce choice.
My feelings are (and they are just my feelings) that the word laboratory is used in the wrong context although using the definition I have provided can be seen appropriate. In reality most of these underground labs are no more than a man or woman in their kitchens converting powders and inserting into vials and then applying a label.
The set up process is usually along the lines of. A person (lets name them Mr Nokia so there are no comparisons or the usual you are backing one and not the other) obtains internet access. Mr Nokia then spends time reading conversion forums and asking questions so as to gain limited knowledge on how to convert a raw powder to an injectable oil state. This solid advice is given by anonymous users who may or may not be issuing good chemical advice but hey they seem to know what they are talking about so its fine I am sure.
Mr Nokia then finds a powder & vial supplier and purchases some stock. When his parents are out (you would not believe the amount of teenagers that are running this operation post GCSE Chemistry passes) and he lets loose with his new found knowledge and vials creating a conversion process from the kitchen.
In terms of sterility yes he washes his hands prior to doing anything and the pots and pans he uses have been through the dishwasher so all is fine is it not?
Anyway after a couple of hours hard work and checking the instructions again on the net posted but possibly another teenager who read a different forum he has produced 20 vials of X product. Looks a bit misty but hey must be fine.
Next, let’s think of an attractive name. For this example we will use his own name Nokia. As the definition of where it was produced matches ‘’ a place where chemicals or medicines are produced’’ we must add the word laboratory. So hey Nokia Laboratories are born.
Now comes the marketing aspect as no one will buy it so Mr Nokia employs a company from the net to design a logo that is eye catching and professional looking. This expense / outlay is minimal but now offers identity and the labels can be produced and applied to his 20 vials.
Now as Nokia Labs are not well know he needs to market the name. Mr Nokia then establishes that he must sell cheap and contacts sources offering his products at very attractive prices. The sources then advertise using many different methods from open source posting, posts on boards etc & the new lab is born!
My whole point is and what I find disturbing is there are so many people that will purchase a product (and I am quoting some actual replies to threads made):
He always answers mails quickly
His prices are second to none
His turnaround is excellent
Great vials and labels very professional
Another user had great gains from his product
He messed an order up and sent me an extra vial
Now many call Body Builders meatheads but come on is the above real reason to take this vial insert the oil into a syringe and inject into your body? What about sterility, quality control, accurate dosaging, raw material quality etc etc Who says he get sthis batch ok and the next he has a hangover and something goes wrong.
Come on if we relate to pharm companies they spend how much on sterile conditions, regulated supply chain of raw materials, quality control process, regular audits of production, regular tests of product, regulated packaging plants, the list continues. Why are these in place? so they are fit for Human consumption but they cost is enormous which has to be absorbed.
Yes there are a few Labs that have invested in chemists, premises etc etc but they are so far and few between as uptake on the name Lab has been relentless overshadowing many of the established names.
There are many AAS and many circumstances that Pharm grade can not be used or obtained but surely the reasoning to purchase and inject can not be because of price or nice labels can it? Speaking for myself I will ONLY inject what I know to believe a quality product into my body. I do that but finding out as much as I can about where it came from and ensuring that the reputation gained has been done over a long time and with independent laboratory reports taken. This is not full proof I understand but there must be for any UG lab some reports done by users who are well know and not connected.
As I started this thread I looked around so many sites and yes people favour one ‘’lab’’ over another but when I look at the names guess what how many were sources using that board to promote what they sell.
Now I will complete this as I have now got it off my chest I do not care what UG Lab you use it is your body and your choice what you inject. Please do some homework and before you inject take the time to review the relevant lab in terms of set up, independent reports, what problems have been associated, different user experiences. I would say if you decision to inject is over a financial saving then I really do see these labs being disastrous as sources will no longer stock pharm grade or ‘’proper labs’’ (as much more to be earned with kitchen chemists), there will be a serious health incident raising the already bad profile of AAS
Please be safe this is a serious game we all play. If you imagine a teenager cooking up some raw powders in the kitchen with one eye on an internet chat board. He then loads it into a syringe and comes towards you would you be comfortable with it? Well what makes you think half of these UG labs are anything different?
Now before the criticism / flaming starts let me end by YOU CAN USE WHO YOU WANT I REALLY DO NOT CARE AS IT IS NOT MY BODY AND I HAVE NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE. These are just my thoughts as I find it all quite worrying but hey I may be old school!
Wrongun!
