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Ultimate Fat Loss Plan

They can do all the research in the world and scientific studies, but its the real world results that are the deterning factor bro. Just need to find out what works for each person. Studies are very biased and to many affecting variables are present
 
hey pwb
I read this damn long tread,now I'm really thinking to give a try for this diet.I look pretty decent already but I wanna lower my BF.
Now I'm 175 and aroun 10-12%bf.Would like to go down to 8%.
Right now I'm trying to eat 5-6 meals a day,I'm a college student so the 3 meals per days sounds even better.
So u saying I can't lose muscle??
So could u give me a meal plan on what I'm not starving or would cheat??
Appreciate your help.
 
Pwb:
I just read this thread and would really like to do this diet as well. Do you think you could give me a meal plan or list some foods that are ok to eat versus the ones that are not ok to eat. I realize that the meat is fine, but if I am going to stick to this, I definitely need some variety. From what I gather, for the first 5 days, it is super strict, and then after five days, less so, but what does that mean? and, is it ok if I just lift and do no cardio at all if i want to see an extreme fat loss? here are my stats: 120lbs 22%bf. I really want to see a drop in the bf.
again, you have been very insightful and i really appreciate the time you have taken to be so thourough.
 
Wow, this was started 2 yrs ago. Let me 1st say I stand by some of what I said but that i'm constantly learning and new information is always being brought to the table, so I may not support everything said 2 yrs ago since i've learned so much more now.

molnii, make no mistake about it. As you diet and get leaner, especially below your bodyfat setpoint (level where your body wants to be at) you will lose some muscle if you are losing naturally. No diet or workout can prevent some inevitable muscle loss, but the loss can be minimized. I was actually just talking the other day to Lyle McDonald and Loren Cordain (author of the Paleo Diet www.paleodiet.com ). They both agree meal frequency of 5-6 meals is overrated. For example, eating a decent size portion of meat will keep amino acid release into the blood for at least 8 hrs. after eating. And this whole nonsense on more meals elevating metablic rate is bullshit. Total calories are what matter not meal frequency. Anyway, they agree less meals should be as productive. Lyle actually read some recent research comparing 3 distinct meals vs. small meals every hour. The group eating the 3 meals had better protein synthesis levels than eating every hour. OK, to set the diet up I go to 8 cals per lb. Some use 10-12 to start, but 8 works better for me to get fat loss going reasonably well. I prefer multiplying my weight x 1.5 to get protein. Example

I'm around 200lbs. So 200X8=1600
1.5 X 200 = 300g protein or 1200 cals
1600 - 1200 = 400 cals or 44g fat

So 300g protein, 44g fat. I also add 25-30g fiber (2cals per g to feed bacteria in digestive tract) but dont count it towards totals since cals are low enough to begin w/.

I switch between 2 and 4 meals. So if u wanna eat 3 meals, divide totals by 3. For me that would be about 100g protein, 15g fat and 10g fiber. (And the body CAN digest w/ >90% efficiency LARGE amounts of protein, don't believe the bullshit of 30g max or 60g max, there is NO science behind this) Make sure u include at least 6 fish oil capsules a day, preferable more.

a12345, the food options can be found everywhere. check out www.metabolicdiet.com for what u can eat. Steaks, eggs, turkey, chicken, fish, game meats, vegetables, some nuts. I'd set the diet up the way I wrote above. If you wanna go really extreme i'd follow something similar to nclifter6feet6's extreme fat loss plan. But your metabolism will go to shit and you'll lose muscle. To make it slighly less catabolic and I think more effective, just multiply your weight by 1.5 to get grams of protein, supplement w/ some psyllium husks for fiber, take 6 fish oil caps a day and thats it. Get your protein from chicken, turkey, tuna, shrimp, venison, and other VERY LEAN meats.
Either way I WOULD NOT use any protein drinks as most people have undiscovered allergies/intolerance to milk proteins, casein and whey. The overwhelming majority of people get gas and bloating, even w/ the lactose free proteins. Stick w/ what nature intended, meat (even though grassfed is better than commercial, its still a low better than protein from cows milk).
 
hey pwb
thanx for the useful info,probably I will give a try for it....
do u think could I use Clen on this diet to speed up the fat loss??
 
About the clen, I did NC's diet and used clen..great results. If you decide to use it take a look at the Clen Faq on the anabolic board first.
 
Hey MrMakaveli I already read that thread about the Clen...just one question for you,how high did you go on the Clen??I mean how many tablets max??Just curious cuz this is my first time to try it.Did u just have a 2 week on 2 week off or u use it longer??
thanx for your help.
 
guys it is soooo fucking easy to manipulate with you.
that one guy has theory and does not mean his theory is correct.
i think post work out carbs are ok cause they are not stored as fat. even if u eat icecream and mc donalds after workout u will not get fat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is based on research!
u can read tons of research on this topic if u search on the internet. or go to www.ast-ss.com and read about post work out carbs!

and once and forever to clean up the myth with eskimos: yes they only eat fish and grilled meat. they get many EFA oils. but that does not mean that they are perfectly healthy. they would eat veggies when they would have it. they do not have it. veggies are good for u! tons of fiber and vitamins!
when u see them the most of them are fucking short and chubby!
when did u see one eskimo with perfect body????


PWB: That MD said that bodybuilder should take 20% daily intake of carbs in their food.
what u do is unhealthy! get fucking off from that diet and get your ass on trademill and u will be able to eat some carbs and still loose weight!
i eat only protein + healthy fats and only
carbs post workout. i follow animalbolic diet and works great.

CARBS ARE OK BUT WHEN U TAKE THEM WHEN U NEED THEM!!!!!
 
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