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Ultimate Fat Loss Plan
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hooch-5, if you have the time read this article. There is some drop in Thyroid production but not metabolic rate, according to Dr. Greg Ellis. "Mostly it's calories that control the major metabolic rate changes and diet comp is involved, sometimes powerfully, but never anywhere near the effects of calories. Thyroid hormones do decrease with low cho but metabolism does not drop, interestingly."
http://www.dfhi.com/interviews/rosedale.html
its long, if u dont read the whole thing here is a section from it.
Thyroid-how does thyroid work? The thyroid produces mostly T4. T4 goes to the liver and is converted to T3, mostly there, other tissues too, but mostly in the liver. We are getting the idea that insulin controls a lot of what goes on in the liver, and the liver is the primary organ that becomes insulin resistant. When the liver can no longer listen to insulin, you can't convert T4 to T3 very well. Usually in people who are hyperinsulinemic with a thyroid hormone that comes back totally normal, it is important to measure their T3. Their free T3 will just as often as not be low. Get their insulin down and it comes back up.
Here are a few recommendations for keeping things running well.
Test for an iodine deficiency using a home test. swab a 3" by 3" solid square of 2% iodine tincture on your lower abdomen and leave it for 24 hours. If the orange square disappears before 24 hours u could benefit from iodine and the AA tyrosine supplementation, both help make T3. OR, (another test) take your body temp 4x a day for several days, before eating meals and before bed, and right upon wakening. Avg. the temperatures and if they read below 98 then there may be an issue as well.
Zinc and selenium help produce the enzyme that converts T4 to T3.
1/2 oz. raw nuts has a beneficial effect as well as warming effect to the body from its nutrients and EFA's. (walnuts are ideal b/c higher n-3 content)
Follow an exercise program predominantly anaerobic training, lifting heavy weights
Sunbathe 15-30 min a day (dont burn, obviously) The sun naturally steps the metabolism up by stimulation the throid to increase hormone production, studies on animals have confirmed this effect showing greater weight loss in those given sunlight exposure.
The throid will not shut down though, it will slow down conversion of T4 to T3. This is part of the equation but not the whole story. Also, eating as little as 50g carbs can allow less slowdown. Carbs need not be completely forbidden if this is a concern of yours. According to Dr. Rosedale too much carbs actually causes more of a problem as it interferes with the conversion of T4 to T3. Anyway, hope these suggestions help.
http://www.dfhi.com/interviews/rosedale.html
its long, if u dont read the whole thing here is a section from it.
Thyroid-how does thyroid work? The thyroid produces mostly T4. T4 goes to the liver and is converted to T3, mostly there, other tissues too, but mostly in the liver. We are getting the idea that insulin controls a lot of what goes on in the liver, and the liver is the primary organ that becomes insulin resistant. When the liver can no longer listen to insulin, you can't convert T4 to T3 very well. Usually in people who are hyperinsulinemic with a thyroid hormone that comes back totally normal, it is important to measure their T3. Their free T3 will just as often as not be low. Get their insulin down and it comes back up.
Here are a few recommendations for keeping things running well.
Test for an iodine deficiency using a home test. swab a 3" by 3" solid square of 2% iodine tincture on your lower abdomen and leave it for 24 hours. If the orange square disappears before 24 hours u could benefit from iodine and the AA tyrosine supplementation, both help make T3. OR, (another test) take your body temp 4x a day for several days, before eating meals and before bed, and right upon wakening. Avg. the temperatures and if they read below 98 then there may be an issue as well.
Zinc and selenium help produce the enzyme that converts T4 to T3.
1/2 oz. raw nuts has a beneficial effect as well as warming effect to the body from its nutrients and EFA's. (walnuts are ideal b/c higher n-3 content)
Follow an exercise program predominantly anaerobic training, lifting heavy weights
Sunbathe 15-30 min a day (dont burn, obviously) The sun naturally steps the metabolism up by stimulation the throid to increase hormone production, studies on animals have confirmed this effect showing greater weight loss in those given sunlight exposure.
The throid will not shut down though, it will slow down conversion of T4 to T3. This is part of the equation but not the whole story. Also, eating as little as 50g carbs can allow less slowdown. Carbs need not be completely forbidden if this is a concern of yours. According to Dr. Rosedale too much carbs actually causes more of a problem as it interferes with the conversion of T4 to T3. Anyway, hope these suggestions help.
MrMakaveli
New member
Can I ask where you found the information on the sunlight being good? This is the first I've heard of it, I'm really interested in finding out more.
Thanks
Thanks
2 books off the top of my head, "Protein Power Lifeplan" and Jay Robbs "The Fat Burning Diet".
http://www.mercola.com/2002/apr/3/sun_prevents_cancer.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/28/sunlight_m_s.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/sun_immunity.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2000/june/3/vit_d_sunlight.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2002/apr/3/sun_prevents_cancer.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/28/sunlight_m_s.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/sun_immunity.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2000/june/3/vit_d_sunlight.htm
PwB,
1) If I'm requiring 200g protein/day in 2 sittings, what can you tell me about absorption efficiency & effects of absorbing 100g protein (along with lots of fat) in one sitting, twice a day, in the short and long term?
2) Please elaborate on starvation phases.
3) I have not yet seen any proof that there is less muscle loss when dieting with less frequent meals (ie, 2 instead of 6). Please provide some or point me into the right direction.
4) How exactly do we make the "switch" from being carb-efficient to being fat-efficient in such a short period of time? From a biochemical standpoint, I'm a little confused as to how this happens so quickly and effectively.
5) This whole idea of fat being used efficiently as fuel -- what are the limits of carbs with which this happens? More specifically, will I have the same effect by reducing carbs and putting fat in it's place or must this be a drastic change?
6) Any examples of pro bodybuilders (ie, successful with this diet) who eat 2-4 times a day (as opposed to 6-8) and follow this diet?
Thank you for the time you've taken to provide elaborate answers for everyone.
limit
1) If I'm requiring 200g protein/day in 2 sittings, what can you tell me about absorption efficiency & effects of absorbing 100g protein (along with lots of fat) in one sitting, twice a day, in the short and long term?
2) Please elaborate on starvation phases.
3) I have not yet seen any proof that there is less muscle loss when dieting with less frequent meals (ie, 2 instead of 6). Please provide some or point me into the right direction.
4) How exactly do we make the "switch" from being carb-efficient to being fat-efficient in such a short period of time? From a biochemical standpoint, I'm a little confused as to how this happens so quickly and effectively.
5) This whole idea of fat being used efficiently as fuel -- what are the limits of carbs with which this happens? More specifically, will I have the same effect by reducing carbs and putting fat in it's place or must this be a drastic change?
6) Any examples of pro bodybuilders (ie, successful with this diet) who eat 2-4 times a day (as opposed to 6-8) and follow this diet?
Thank you for the time you've taken to provide elaborate answers for everyone.
limit
limit, just read your questions, but have to leave for work in the next ten minutes. I will answer your questions 2nite or tomorrow. All good questions, and i'll tell you i've learned a lot since i wrote this thread so some ideas have changed. But i'll address everything u asked later. I can quickly answer your last question, take what pro bodybuilders do with a grain of salt. Many don't have a deep understanding of training or nutrition. Not all, but most DONT. Take great genetics, massive amounts of steroids, GH, and other drugs, have no life but train, eat and rest, and you'll get results. Diet to get ripped, and replace all the hormones that get screwed up dieting naturally with drugs, and you dont have to worry about much except eat less, train hard and get lean. But, for 2 examples off the top of my head, Serge Nubret (incredible physique) and Thierry Pastel used to eat 1 huge meal at night, after training. Again, I wouldnt recommend it, but it worked for them. Gotta go, i'll get back to you.
PWB,
What about going for strength and size such as my self, should I bulk with carbs and diet down without, or would bulking without carbs still provide good strength and size gains? Since I started uping my carbs I been dead fucking tired, I yawn during workouts I take naps a few hours after I wake up, i dunno why.
Thanks
What about going for strength and size such as my self, should I bulk with carbs and diet down without, or would bulking without carbs still provide good strength and size gains? Since I started uping my carbs I been dead fucking tired, I yawn during workouts I take naps a few hours after I wake up, i dunno why.
Thanks
R
rajkanneganti
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PWB,
I've just started with your program yesterday and for some reason I REALLY think this program will do wonders to me. I'm gonna do it for 3 months stricly with all training and nutrition logs and with the highest amount of willpower. There are three things however which I am not doing according to your plan though. I just want to know if it is Ok or if it will be detrimental to my weight loss/muscle gain.
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Here are my stats :
Date recorded : 09/19/02
Weight : 237 lbs.
Wrist : 7 in
Waist : 45 in
Fat : 76 lbs
Lean Body Mass : 161 lbs
Body Fat : 32%
Workout routine :
My training program :
Day 1 : Upper body workout
Day 2 : Cardio on the treadmill for 45 mins @160 beats (Burning around 450 odd cals)
Day 3 : Lower body workout
Day 4 : same as day 2
Day 5 : same as day 1
Day 6 : same as day 3
Day 7 : 30 mins of freestyle swimming
5x5 like you said is what I am following.
Nutrition :
My diet (this is what I had yesterday) :
No. of meals in a day : 2 (75 % protein after workout)
450 gms. of grilled boneless(breast) chicken in all
12 egg whites
2 medium sized cucumbers and tomatoes
0.176 tbsp of olive oil
Salt 1 tsp
Veg. oil 1 tbsp
1 gallon of water
2 tsp. of ketchup
Fitday stats :
998 cals
30gm fat
14 carbs
160 gms protein
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Things I'm not sure if I'm doing right :
1. Using Xenadrine RFA-1 with my diet and excercise routine. Bro got them for me from the US as they are unavailable here. I dont want to dissapoint my bro by not using them. Then again I want to use it and try it as well if this diet permits it.
2. Doing 45 mins cardio at the gym at around 160 beats at 6 kmh and 4.0 incline. Burning around 455 cals. Cant do your thing coz. my gym head coach is an ass and keep on saying that it is too less or some shit like that which bugs me. He says 45 mins and I didn't want to argue with that ass so doing this.
3. My total cals are only at 1000 right now. I need around 1600 acc. to your program. Cant get it there coz. already mom is working overtime for me (cooking) and then it costs moolah. I had a real tough time convincing mom abt eating 500 gms. chicken and 12 egg whites. Mom thinks I'll bloat up like hell but then I managed to convince her. I cant do supplements no matter what as they cost big time money. Here in India, they cost around 3X times than in America. I cant ask my mom to buy me more food. My parents can simply not afford it. So now, all I can do is add just a few things to my diet. The only options to me right now are Cod Liver Oil ( real cheap here) and Fish liver oil capsules( I'm not so sure abt this.....80% sure that it wouldn't be available here). Olive oil is also no problem.
Pwb, I'm really confident that this thing will work out for me. I just want to make sure that what I'm doing is exactly what you have in mind with ofcourse some modifications(as I cant much money and due to non availability of certain stuff)
Looking forward to your replies........and thanks in advance for posting your program in the first place........I've read many types of programs but for some reason I felt that this one will definetely work.
Cheers
Raj
P.S > I have 3 months supply of Xenadrine
I've just started with your program yesterday and for some reason I REALLY think this program will do wonders to me. I'm gonna do it for 3 months stricly with all training and nutrition logs and with the highest amount of willpower. There are three things however which I am not doing according to your plan though. I just want to know if it is Ok or if it will be detrimental to my weight loss/muscle gain.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here are my stats :
Date recorded : 09/19/02
Weight : 237 lbs.
Wrist : 7 in
Waist : 45 in
Fat : 76 lbs
Lean Body Mass : 161 lbs
Body Fat : 32%
Workout routine :
My training program :
Day 1 : Upper body workout
Day 2 : Cardio on the treadmill for 45 mins @160 beats (Burning around 450 odd cals)
Day 3 : Lower body workout
Day 4 : same as day 2
Day 5 : same as day 1
Day 6 : same as day 3
Day 7 : 30 mins of freestyle swimming
5x5 like you said is what I am following.
Nutrition :
My diet (this is what I had yesterday) :
No. of meals in a day : 2 (75 % protein after workout)
450 gms. of grilled boneless(breast) chicken in all
12 egg whites
2 medium sized cucumbers and tomatoes
0.176 tbsp of olive oil
Salt 1 tsp
Veg. oil 1 tbsp
1 gallon of water
2 tsp. of ketchup
Fitday stats :
998 cals
30gm fat
14 carbs
160 gms protein
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Things I'm not sure if I'm doing right :
1. Using Xenadrine RFA-1 with my diet and excercise routine. Bro got them for me from the US as they are unavailable here. I dont want to dissapoint my bro by not using them. Then again I want to use it and try it as well if this diet permits it.
2. Doing 45 mins cardio at the gym at around 160 beats at 6 kmh and 4.0 incline. Burning around 455 cals. Cant do your thing coz. my gym head coach is an ass and keep on saying that it is too less or some shit like that which bugs me. He says 45 mins and I didn't want to argue with that ass so doing this.
3. My total cals are only at 1000 right now. I need around 1600 acc. to your program. Cant get it there coz. already mom is working overtime for me (cooking) and then it costs moolah. I had a real tough time convincing mom abt eating 500 gms. chicken and 12 egg whites. Mom thinks I'll bloat up like hell but then I managed to convince her. I cant do supplements no matter what as they cost big time money. Here in India, they cost around 3X times than in America. I cant ask my mom to buy me more food. My parents can simply not afford it. So now, all I can do is add just a few things to my diet. The only options to me right now are Cod Liver Oil ( real cheap here) and Fish liver oil capsules( I'm not so sure abt this.....80% sure that it wouldn't be available here). Olive oil is also no problem.
Pwb, I'm really confident that this thing will work out for me. I just want to make sure that what I'm doing is exactly what you have in mind with ofcourse some modifications(as I cant much money and due to non availability of certain stuff)
Looking forward to your replies........and thanks in advance for posting your program in the first place........I've read many types of programs but for some reason I felt that this one will definetely work.
Cheers
Raj
P.S > I have 3 months supply of Xenadrine
