Ulter , Macro and Glucorel-R users .

[VictorBR]

Everybody here knows that I am a big fan of T-rex , Levorex , YES and now PURECEE.

but the only time that I tried glucorel-r it did nothing for me .

I mean I only used for a couple weeks , but still if the whole idea of forcing the carbs into your muscles instad of storing them as fat seems kinda useless WHEN you are on a cutting routine and eating below 200 g carbs a day .

I was under the impression that you only store carb AS FAT when you have already stored ALL the carbs as glycogen in your muscles and liver , then after that excess carbs can be stored as fat . Or maybe when you eat ultra high glycemic carbs which is not the case .

So , it is not likely that someone eating low glycemic carbs all day , keeping the carbs to 170 g a day is gonna store carbs as FAT . Because they don't probably have all the glycogen needed to fill muscles and liver .

I am not saying I am right , it is just an opinion .

Now, on the other hand someone on a BULKING routine eating 350 g carbs a day MIGHT store some carbs as FAT , that is where I think glucorel-r could REALLY be usefull . It would help to force the carbs as glycogen inside the muscles instead of storing them as FAT .

Ulter , Macro , glucorel users , Does it make any sense ?


Victor

 

[OMEGA]

the Power of Glucorell become apparent when you eat a bunch of carbs at night

If do not take Glucorell and do this I wake up bloated and lethargic
if I do take it I wake up more full and tight, and feel good

when I diet I don't eat carbs in the day, then workout late afternoon and have a high carbs meal at night, which also helps me sleep

when I added Glucorell I always felt better the next morning

 

[VictorBR]

humm I see , but still I don't eat high carbs before going to bed because I am cutting ...

So ulter said that it helps block all the insuling release , but I was under the impression that you don't release too much insulin if you eat REALLY low glycemic carbs .....


So , like I said I see the point when bulking ( 350 g carbs a day )but when eating low carbs ( 170 g ) and only low glycemic carbs , I don't see the point .


Victor

 

[Ulter]

The main purpose of Glucorell R is to keep the carbs you eat from making you fatter. That's correct. But the principal function is to keep your insulin levels lower when you eat carbs by enhancing the uptake of glucosed into your muscle cells. When you eat carbs your body makes glucose from them. That signals insulin to be released to feed the cells the glucose. Insulin is like the spoon that feeds the cells. The problem is that when insulin is present your body ceases all fat burning. So as soon as you eat the carbs, no more fat burning. When you take Glucorell R the fat burning begins much quicker because Glucorell R clears the glucose very quickly. This adds several hours of continued fat burning to most people, especially those on a cycle. Your muscle cells are also better fed and some people feel a strength gain from this effect.

 

[VictorBR]

" The problem is that when insulin is present your body ceases all fat burning. So as soon as you eat the carbs, no more fat burning "


>>> I see bro , but I am eating 180 g carbs a day and still losing fat like a madman . I do keep my calorie level below my BMR of course and train 2x day ( morning and late afternoon ) .

I keep my carbs low glycemic , that is why I don't release too much insulin and still burn a lot of fat .....

I just don't think it is worth for someone like me who diets with 170 g of carbs a day and out of those 170 g , 140 g are extremely low glycemic , that means no insulin spike and the fat burning keeps going ..

Like I said I think it is MUCH more usefull when eating HIGH CARBS AND HIGH GLYCEMIC CARBS .... I am gonna use it when bulking , it might be very good for this purpose .


Victor

 

[thx9000]

It's an outstanding anti-oxidant, that's more than enough reason for me to take it along with ALCAR. I've been religious about the combo for years now, long before it was "popular". You're going to be old someday, better get ready now.

 

[van_wilder]

I've read that there are no long-term studies on humans using ALA or R-ALA and that you should be cautioned to using these products(can't find the article now though)... any thoughts on this? any possible negative effects of using either of these supps?
VW

 

[VictorBR]

I am aware about the anti-oxidant properities , I just don't think it is worth alone for this benefit . Take some multi-vitamin , multi-mineral formula and that is gonna do it .


Victor

 

[thx9000]

I am aware about the anti-oxidant properities , I just don't think it is worth alone for this benefit . Take some multi-vitamin , multi-mineral formula and that is gonna do it .


Victor

I think it's, by far, one of the best anti-oxidant combo's we've discovered.

 

[VictorBR]

I've read that there are no long-term studies on humans using ALA or R-ALA and that you should be cautioned to using these products(can't find the article now though)... any thoughts on this? any possible negative effects of using either of these supps?
VW

>>> I think it has been proved already to be pretty GOOD stuff HEALTHY wise . I just don't see a reason to use when cutting , eating low carbs , no sugar diet , as a tool to help you burn more fat and build more muscle .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

I think it's, by far, one of the best anti-oxidant combo's we've discovered.

probably , but I am still not taking it for THIS reason ALONE .


Victor

 

[van_wilder]

probably , but I am still not taking it for THIS reason ALONE .


Victor

Is the reson cost then? cost just outweighs benefits in your opinion?
VW

 

[Ulter]

I've read that there are no long-term studies on humans using ALA or R-ALA and that you should be cautioned to using these products(can't find the article now though)... any thoughts on this? any possible negative effects of using either of these supps?
VW

That's a load of crap. It's been used in Europe for over 30 years. Dr Bert Berkson of NM State University, lead investigator for the FDA for 20 years for lipoic acid, has used it at his clinic since the 80's. There is no toxic dose, there is no lethal dose.
R+ Lipoic is in the mitochondria of every muscle cell in your body.

 

[Ulter]

If you only eat low gylcemic carbs then you won't see the benefit of Glucorell R in terms of glucose clearance. Simply because you're not eating any. I personally could not train effectively without high GI carbs.

 

[thx9000]

I've read that there are no long-term studies on humans using ALA or R-ALA and that you should be cautioned to using these products(can't find the article now though)... any thoughts on this? any possible negative effects of using either of these supps?
VW

I think you're thinking of Alpha-Linolenic not Alpha-Lipoic Acid.

 

[van_wilder]

That's a load of crap. It's been used in Europe for over 30 years. Dr Bert Berkson of NM State University, lead investigator for the FDA for 20 years for lipoic acid, has used it at his clinic since the 80's. There is no toxic dose, there is no lethal dose.
R+ Lipoic is in the mitochondria of every muscle cell in your body.

okay okay... no need to get excited! i'm just very skeptical about anything I put into my body and like to know all of the angles before I buy into anything... I'm asking in particular regarding the increased insulin sensitivity (which from my understanding is in part how ALA works and if i'm wrong please correct me), are there any studies that show that insulin sensitivity is unaffected by long-term use? I'll look this up on my own, but if you have studies on hand that you could link to for me it would be of great help. Thanks!
VW

 

[Jenetic]

Aside from everything that has already been said, it's important to remember that Glucorell R will enhance and improve glycogen synthesis. The result is self explanatory.

Jenetic

 

[VictorBR]

If you only eat low gylcemic carbs then you won't see the benefit of Glucorell R in terms of glucose clearance. Simply because you're not eating any. I personally could not train effectively without high GI carbs.

>>> that is exactly my point bro , It is simply not usefull from someone who only eats low glycemic carbs , the only time of the day where I eat high glycemic carbs are post training and that is it .AND even so I stick to HONEY as my source of high glycemic carbs because despite having a high glycemic index I read a lot about it and it won't SPIKE my insulin levels that much , so I keep burning fat .


Soon I am going to try to use glucorel and drink the gatorade during workout to see my strenght gains going trought the roof , but right now I eat low glycemic carbs and protein 1 hour before my workout so I don't interfere with fat burning during my workout .

Despite what some people think , even thought it is anaerobic YOU do BURN FAT working with weights as long as you don't have too much insulin floating around and as long as your muscles and liver glycogen stores are not SO FULL .

I do know my strenght suffer for doing this but I keep my fat loss going . I think it all depends on the person's goal . Soon , I am going to drink gatorade and take glucorel and I know my workouts will be 100 % more effective .

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

in basic terms the benefit when cutting is that it will allow use of simple carbs for muscle glycogen synthesis and more carbs in general. While still maintaining the same or slightly greater fat loss. So relatively high muscle glycogen, allowing for better performance and recovery- while still maintiaining high fatty acid utilization.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

not to mention when "cutting" (ie calorie deficit) free radical production is high as well as release of toxins and heavy metal release from adipose tissue (all of which R+ protects against)

 

[VictorBR]

in basic terms the benefit when cutting is that it will allow use of simple carbs for muscle glycogen synthesis and more carbs in general. While still maintaining the same or slightly greater fat loss . So relatively high muscle glycogen, allowing for better performance and recovery- while still maintiaining high fatty acid utilization.

>>> hummm , it is starting to get interesting . So you are saying that when cutting , I can still EAT simple carbs as long as I take glucorel -r before and I will still BURN as many FAT as if I was eating low glycemic carbs ONLY ?

It this is true , it is really interesting .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

not to mention when "cutting" (ie calorie deficit) free radical production is high as well as release of toxins and heavy metal release from adipose tissue (all of which R+ protects against)

>>> You mean the anti-oxidant properties right ? Like I said , I don't think it is worth for that reason alone ...


Victor