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UFC was so much better when they had to fight like 3 or 4 times in one night!
That really separated the men from the boys.
That really separated the men from the boys.
UFC was so much better
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JarheadChiro
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Agree.
needtogetaas
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ya and now that they have brot it inot the main streem tv it has gotten a lot weeker.
I reameber when it was brottal.when you could only see it if you paid for it.
I reameber when it was brottal.when you could only see it if you paid for it.
MikeMartial
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needtogetas said:
What? Sorry needtogetas, but I can barely understand that....
I think there's pros and cons to the evolution of the UFC. Mostly positive, though.
Having fighters not have 3 to 4 fights in one night is a good thing, IMO. A fighter can come to the ring and give everything he has, knowing he only has one fight, win or lose.
The matched weight divisions make for more even fights...but you have to admit some of the matches from the first couple of UFCs were hilarious!
It's come along way from what it was; in fact, it's elevated from a spectacle into a professional sport.
heavy_duty
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(1) Yes boring to the untrained-
(2) The only rules were no eye gouge and no bite-
Of course they had to change it to keep making a profit and I'm sure it is better in many ways.
But as long as we're entitled to an opinion then mine is that it now sucks LOL
It is now the ultimate "UFC" fighter because "UFC" or "MMA" is basically now it's very own style of fighting.
It is is no way a demonstration of the ultimate in martial arts, it is professional fighting just like boxing, kick-boxing or MT but with different rules.
AND now MOST martial arts are no longer represented in the UFC
(2) The only rules were no eye gouge and no bite-
Of course they had to change it to keep making a profit and I'm sure it is better in many ways.
But as long as we're entitled to an opinion then mine is that it now sucks LOL
It is now the ultimate "UFC" fighter because "UFC" or "MMA" is basically now it's very own style of fighting.
It is is no way a demonstration of the ultimate in martial arts, it is professional fighting just like boxing, kick-boxing or MT but with different rules.
AND now MOST martial arts are no longer represented in the UFC
1392477
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every sport evolves to a certain degree. The fighters no longer strictly represent one particular style and are more in the MMA mold than strict practicioners of Karate, Kung Fu, Judo, BJJ, etc.
The current management of the UFC has added a businesspersons sense to 'cage fighting' and it has worked to broaden the appeal of the sport.
even PRIDE has gotten away from their grand prix style and has tournament fights seperated by a couple of months between opening bouts and the finals.
The weight classes actually leveled the playing field somewhat and made it more marketable. I actually believe there should be another weight class added - Super Heavyweight for those over 250#. As it stands now anyone over 205 is classified as heavyweight and that is too broad a weightclass IMO.
The current management of the UFC has added a businesspersons sense to 'cage fighting' and it has worked to broaden the appeal of the sport.
even PRIDE has gotten away from their grand prix style and has tournament fights seperated by a couple of months between opening bouts and the finals.
The weight classes actually leveled the playing field somewhat and made it more marketable. I actually believe there should be another weight class added - Super Heavyweight for those over 250#. As it stands now anyone over 205 is classified as heavyweight and that is too broad a weightclass IMO.
MikeMartial
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heavy_duty said:
I disagree with this. Is not MMA a "mixture" of martial arts? Essentially, a blend of everything practical that works? IMO, MMA puts to rest the old "this elite" martial artist versus "this other elite" martial artist (think Bruce lee verus Chuck Norris. I always had these arguments as a kid. Didn't you?). Now we get to actually see who would come out on top the winner, via MMA matches thanks to UFC and Pride.
But what is your opinion of the "ultimate" in martial arts? One-on-one combat? Or a display of technique, power, speed, style? Years of rigorous training in a dojo, while wearing a gi? If you picked the first, then MMA is the ultimate in martial arts. But it's all opinion based.
heavy_duty said:
Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai, Ju Jitsu, Judo....are these not STRONGLY respresented in MMA? I'd have to yell a loud "hell ya" on that one. Almost every single MMA athlete in the UFC started in one of these, and all the core fundamentals come from these.
GSP = Kyokushin Karate. David Loiseau = Tae Kwon Do. Karo Parisyan = Judo. Stephen Bonnar = TKD and Boxing
I think the idea that MMA is the almighty, all-encompassing, purified end result of traditional martial arts really only pisses off traditional martial artists---and this, coming from me, a traditional martial arts practitioner. But seriously, in this day and age of MMA athletes, what traditionalist would last a full round in the ring? Any? Only a fool would argue that a single-style traditional martial artist could compete at the skill level of todays MMA athletes. But, that's a bit off point of the main topic.
heavy_duty
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There was groin attacks and as for vomit and shit I just think they fought with an empty stomach and empty bowel.
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heavy_duty
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Mike
I don't dissagree with you. But as opinion I am more entertained by a guy who only practice TKD for 20 years taking on a guy who only practice Aikido for 20 years. Yah it's a sloppy fight but I just find it more entertaining. Possible because I have 20 years in one art myself but respect all arts.
AND YES I did find it very entertaining in UFC 1, 2 and 3 when traditional point fighters were getting the shit kicked out of them by traditional judo-ka.
I'm also not into the weight catagories, fuck it let the skinny Chinese guy who's been doing kung-fu all his life take on the big fat Japanese Judo master or the Shotokan master take on the BJJ master etc...etc...If you think your art is effective then use your art not somebody elses art.
BUT a sport is a sport so if you art relies on braking bones and snapping necks then don't use your art in the UFC cause you gonna lose cause there are RULES....real martial arts was NEVER suppose to be used in a rule bound arena.
The JKA fucked that up when they started tournaments in the 50's and 60's.
It all got lost then kenjutsu became kendo and jujutsu became judo when combat became sport.
I'm out
good night
I don't dissagree with you. But as opinion I am more entertained by a guy who only practice TKD for 20 years taking on a guy who only practice Aikido for 20 years. Yah it's a sloppy fight but I just find it more entertaining. Possible because I have 20 years in one art myself but respect all arts.
AND YES I did find it very entertaining in UFC 1, 2 and 3 when traditional point fighters were getting the shit kicked out of them by traditional judo-ka.
I'm also not into the weight catagories, fuck it let the skinny Chinese guy who's been doing kung-fu all his life take on the big fat Japanese Judo master or the Shotokan master take on the BJJ master etc...etc...If you think your art is effective then use your art not somebody elses art.
BUT a sport is a sport so if you art relies on braking bones and snapping necks then don't use your art in the UFC cause you gonna lose cause there are RULES....real martial arts was NEVER suppose to be used in a rule bound arena.
The JKA fucked that up when they started tournaments in the 50's and 60's.
It all got lost then kenjutsu became kendo and jujutsu became judo when combat became sport.
I'm out
good night
MikeMartial said:I disagree with this. Is not MMA a "mixture" of martial arts? Essentially, a blend of everything practical that works? IMO, MMA puts to rest the old "this elite" martial artist versus "this other elite" martial artist (think Bruce lee verus Chuck Norris. I always had these arguments as a kid. Didn't you?). Now we get to actually see who would come out on top the winner, via MMA matches thanks to UFC and Pride.
But what is your opinion of the "ultimate" in martial arts? One-on-one combat? Or a display of technique, power, speed, style? Years of rigorous training in a dojo, while wearing a gi? If you picked the first, then MMA is the ultimate in martial arts. But it's all opinion based.
Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai, Ju Jitsu, Judo....are these not STRONGLY respresented in MMA? I'd have to yell a loud "hell ya" on that one. Almost every single MMA athlete in the UFC started in one of these, and all the core fundamentals come from these.
GSP = Kyokushin Karate. David Loiseau = Tae Kwon Do. Karo Parisyan = Judo. Stephen Bonnar = TKD and Boxing
I think the idea that MMA is the almighty, all-encompassing, purified end result of traditional martial arts really only pisses off traditional martial artists---and this, coming from me, a traditional martial arts practitioner. But seriously, in this day and age of MMA athletes, what traditionalist would last a full round in the ring? Any? Only a fool would argue that a single-style traditional martial artist could compete at the skill level of todays MMA athletes. But, that's a bit off point of the main topic.
heavy_duty said:(1) Yes boring to the untrained-
(2) The only rules were no eye gouge and no bite-
Of course they had to change it to keep making a profit and I'm sure it is better in many ways.
But as long as we're entitled to an opinion then mine is that it now sucks LOL
It is now the ultimate "UFC" fighter because "UFC" or "MMA" is basically now it's very own style of fighting.
It is is no way a demonstration of the ultimate in martial arts, it is professional fighting just like boxing, kick-boxing or MT but with different rules.
AND now MOST martial arts are no longer represented in the UFC
yah well it would suck pretty bad if it was just an open tournament that a Kendo guy came to and slashed all the other guys to death wouldn't it?
it's better off as a sport then a streetfight that you pay for
KD1 said:
Most of the early competitors were trained strikers, not GG Allin.
heavy_duty
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Huh? Kendo? they use a shinai not a blade.
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megamania500
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heavy_duty said:
I agree totally. That's what made the first UFC's so awsome to watch. It was like, "Hey, look! This kung-fu dude is going to take on that boxer!" I was a big fan of Remco Pardol with his judo style and gi. Especially when the commentators didn't give him a chance in hell against that muay thai fighter, and Remco almost broke his head open like a watermelon with his elbows as soon as he got him on the ground.
And Pat Smith with his Muay Thai just tearing up those other fighters, with their other style's of stand-up striking. He gave one dude 27 stitches in the face. That was brutal.
Now EVERYONE knows what a triangle choke is, now EVERYONE knows how to fight from their guard (some better than others). Its now not a question of how well someone can fight and defend themselves using the techniques of their fighting discipline, its more now how well can one fighter use this newer hybrid MMA style against another fighter using the same style. Nevertheless, whether its old school or the new stuff, I enjoy a good UFC scrap.
mr.october
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they should never have tournament styles fights again.
i want to see two fighters when they are both fresh go at it. keep it fair and as a professional sport...and not a brutal side show
i want to see two fighters when they are both fresh go at it. keep it fair and as a professional sport...and not a brutal side show
megamania500
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I am glad to see it finally becoming mainstream. For awhile there, it looked like it was just a matter of time before there wasn't going to be any more UFC. But this last weekend, at this last UFC, the event sold out in 2 hours, 18,000 seats, and no seat was under $400.
ON the down side, ordering ppv, it used to be $19.95, now its $39.95. At least its still around and gaining momentum. Pride is, too.
ON the down side, ordering ppv, it used to be $19.95, now its $39.95. At least its still around and gaining momentum. Pride is, too.
heavy_duty
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I lost interest after UFC 10
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