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Tribulus dosage?

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Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris L
3 x a day @ 750mg per capsul is keeping me pretty horny.

The label says take 1 or 2 daily and I only take 3. I wonder how high I can go? Can you take too much of this stuff? It's very noticable for an old guy like me.:fro:
 
Trib does nothing for me ... i've taken better then 10 of the 750mg in a day and basicly felt nothing ( if your suppose to feel something ? ) guess it would depend on what state of shut down your in if any .

It's just a herb so i don't believe you could OD on the stuff , maybe make your stomache a bit sick but thats it .

If 3 a day is doing the job then why up the dose ... there does become a point of diminishing returns with anything .
 
I'm not all that old (32), but tribulus works great for me. I think that if you already have decent amounts of natural test, then tribulus may not work as well for you. But, if your test levels are low, then tribulus may have more of an impact for you. Just guessing about that though. Not saying it'll work that way for you, but that's how things went down for me.
 
I know I mention Biotest products a lot, but Biotest's Alpha Male is friggin AWESOME at boosting natural testosterone levels..

T-Matt

Reubsf said:
I'm not all that old (32), but tribulus works great for me. I think that if you already have decent amounts of natural test, then tribulus may not work as well for you. But, if your test levels are low, then tribulus may have more of an impact for you. Just guessing about that though. Not saying it'll work that way for you, but that's how things went down for me.
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T-Matt said:
I know I mention Biotest products a lot, but Biotest's Alpha Male is friggin AWESOME at boosting natural testosterone levels..

T-Matt
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Biotests Tribex is the brand I respond to the best. There are other brands out there that work as well, or better, for other people and that costs less as well. So the Alpha Male is even better..?
 
I like it... I take it too... I think it gives me a slight edge when I'm in my PCT... that with Horny Goat Weed... :)
 
HELLLLLL yes.. I just recently advised this 55 year old man that I work with through AR's PCT protocol and have him on Alpha Male right now.. He is dropping fat like you wouldn't believe.. Says he feels like he's 16 again..

T-Matt

Reubsf said:
Biotests Tribex is the brand I respond to the best. There are other brands out there that work as well, or better, for other people and that costs less as well. So the Alpha Male is even better..?
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i think this thread is another fine example of research vs actual life experiences...i have read so many things on the internet about certain supplements and anabolic agents not working,but have gotten great results from them anyway.

ive also read studies that say pct is useless...i bet no one is gonna stop doing pct because of it!,lol
 
actually tribulus does increase libido and erections, but not because it stimulates LH or testosterone production. Those effects are related to dopaminergic, NO and oestrogenic effects.

tribulus is not useless, its just does not do what it claims (raise LH and testosterone)- though it has effects that would lead one to beleive (incorrectly) that it does.


just as a note- there are no studies that say that PCT is useless. In fact there really are no "PCT" studies per se. There studies on HPGA restoration and fertility, some of which are case studies of anabolic steroid users (typically after continuous significant shutdown- as opposed to post cycle studies).
 
boxerjake said:
It's just a herb so i don't believe you could OD on the stuff , maybe make your stomache a bit sick but thats it .
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I love the way people think natural is safe ever look at digoxin from the digitalis plant and what happens if you take amounts above microgramm eamounts?
 
Cocaine HCL comes from cocoa leaves...?
 
macrophage69alpha said:
actually tribulus does increase libido and erections, but not because it stimulates LH or testosterone production. Those effects are related to dopaminergic, NO and oestrogenic effects.

tribulus is not useless, its just does not do what it claims (raise LH and testosterone)- though it has effects that would lead one to beleive (incorrectly) that it does.


just as a note- there are no studies that say that PCT is useless. In fact there really are no "PCT" studies per se. There studies on HPGA restoration and fertility, some of which are case studies of anabolic steroid users (typically after continuous significant shutdown- as opposed to post cycle studies).
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i have read studies on other forums that claim pct has no proven recovery benefits,and that pct is absolutley not needed when using quick acting esters such as propionate...and that nolvadex cause strokes and heart attacks,and that hcg is going to be killing people who use it because it comes from preagnant woman and is not tested for some diseases...im not saying i agree with all this... im just saying that the claims are out there.
 
"We've tested hundreds of Tribulus terrestris samples and TRIBEX is the most potent, full-spectrum extraction we've analyzed. In fact, nothing else comes close to the rich and potent content of TRIBEX.

"Most of the Tribulus we test is either a poor-quality extract or a counterfeit that's been spiked with protodioscin-containing extracts, like fenugreek and wild yam. Just because a product contains protodioscin doesn't make it Tribulus.

"TRIBEX, in our opinion, is truly the most potent, full-spectrum Tribulus in the world."

— Frank Jaksch, President
ChromaDex™

Is it fair to say that the tribulus mac is referring to is bunk?
T-Matt
 
the studies used pharmaceutical grade extracts. tribulus does not raise LH or testosterone. It does cause effects that would lead one to beleive that it has.
 
MACRO, you have ELITE MAIL!


I recovered from a deca cycle with just tribulus and letro.....it isnt working as well this time with aromasin though.......its taking a tad longer (maybe the stimulant X im using, it destroys my sex drive for some reason).
 
macrophage69alpha said:
the studies used pharmaceutical grade extracts. tribulus does not raise LH or testosterone. It does cause effects that would lead one to beleive that it has.
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could you expand on this?...how does it cause effects that would lead us to believe that it has raised our test level?...do you mean like a placebo effect?im very interested in this now.
 
booby said:
could you expand on this?...how does it cause effects that would lead us to believe that it has raised our test level?...do you mean like a placebo effect?im very interested in this now.
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its dopaminergic, NO and estrogenic effects which increase libido and erection frequency leads people to beleive their test is raised, when it is not.
it is not a placebo effect (though that is also an issue), it is effects that are caused by several actions that are understandably, but incorrectly, attributed to others (increased test and LH response)
 
i think t-matt is sponsoring his company here.. but I can't say anything negative about biotest, they are a legit company for what they put out..i have always had great success with their prohormone products back in the day..
 
bigrand said:
MACRO, you have ELITE MAIL!


I recovered from a deca cycle with just tribulus and letro.....it isnt working as well this time with aromasin though.......its taking a tad longer (maybe the stimulant X im using, it destroys my sex drive for some reason).
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did not arrive???

that is a VERY common side of stim-x along with cotton mouth type dehydration
 
haha.. Not really.. I'll be the first to say that if something works, I'll push it all day. They have provided enough info to me and I have had enough personal experience to believe that their product Alpha Male DOES increase testosterone levels..

You must also understand that I'm over at T-nation raving about AF products, yet, I haven't even used a single one. I'm posting links to various posts over here to all the threads praising AF products.. I feel like a supplement broker.. Everyone that knows me knows they can send their friends and family to me for advice on how to make themselves more healthy and what supplements would help them achieve results the fastest..

While I do have a particular liking for Biotest, as, they have a great line of products, I have some issues with them. A while back, during the prohormone days, they were blasting prohormones like no one's business, then, out of nowhere they pop up with a line of transdermal products.. Perhaps they were, infact, able to develop a better absorbtion system but I smell the possible truth that they just wanted a piece of the pie..

If you really want to put Biotest to the test, give Surge a try, as I feel that it is their best product. Their MRPs (as I eluded to in another thread) are TASTY!!

T-Matt

sparetire said:
i think t-matt is sponsoring his company here.. but I can't say anything negative about biotest, they are a legit company for what they put out..i have always had great success with their prohormone products back in the day..
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macrophage69alpha said:
the studies used pharmaceutical grade extracts. tribulus does not raise LH or testosterone. It does cause effects that would lead one to beleive that it has.
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Define a pharmaceutical grade of tribulus as far as im aware it is not in any pharmacopoeia and 40% saponins is just a figure come across for reported results?

However tribulus indeed does not effect androgen production

The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men
All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15994038&dopt=Citation
 
macrophage69alpha said:
did not arrive???

that is a VERY common side of stim-x along with cotton mouth type dehydration
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Mac, PMed you about it.

I experience both the loss of libido and dryness. ITs a GREAT appetite stimulant and helps me eat like only 1000-1500 cals a day and burn fat off fast.......but i honestly think the super crash diet and weight loss from the begining of the year is what cause my TE (along with the cough i had for like 3 months that tren didnt allow me to recover from!)
 
Guy
Why would you rave about a product you have never tried?
Now when I read you pimping a product I'm gonna have to ignore it.
no disrespect intended.



T-Matt said:
haha.. Not really.. I'll be the first to say that if something works, I'll push it all day. They have provided enough info to me and I have had enough personal experience to believe that their product Alpha Male DOES increase testosterone levels..

You must also understand that I'm over at T-nation raving about AF products, yet, I haven't even used a single one. I'm posting links to various posts over here to all the threads praising AF products.. I feel like a supplement broker.. Everyone that knows me knows they can send their friends and family to me for advice on how to make themselves more healthy and what supplements would help them achieve results the fastest..

While I do have a particular liking for Biotest, as, they have a great line of products, I have some issues with them. A while back, during the prohormone days, they were blasting prohormones like no one's business, then, out of nowhere they pop up with a line of transdermal products.. Perhaps they were, infact, able to develop a better absorbtion system but I smell the possible truth that they just wanted a piece of the pie..

If you really want to put Biotest to the test, give Surge a try, as I feel that it is their best product. Their MRPs (as I eluded to in another thread) are TASTY!!

T-Matt
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macrophage69alpha said:
its dopaminergic, NO and estrogenic effects which increase libido and erection frequency leads people to beleive their test is raised, when it is not.
it is not a placebo effect (though that is also an issue), it is effects that are caused by several actions that are understandably, but incorrectly, attributed to others (increased test and LH response)
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very interesting!...thanx!
 
booby said:
very interesting!...thanx!
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basically, you feel things that would lead you to believe that your test levels are increasing.. when in fact they are not.

this is one of the reasons that people beleived that yohimbine increased test levels, because of its secondary effects on phosphodieterase it increased erection frequency and hardness. of course yohimbine does not increase testosterone, but its effects could lead one to beleive that it does.

as a note- yohimbine was the only oral drug approved for the treatment of erectile disfunction prior to viagra.
 
This is directly from Cy Wilson over at T-Nation

"Hi T-Matt,

I've addressed a good deal of this in a previous thread:

http://www.t-nation.com/...ic.do?id=749383

I included references in that thread as well. It is true that tribulus has been shown to have a vasodilatory effect which can result in improved erectile function, however, it has also been shown to increase LH and testosterone in animal models where limited oral bioavailability was circumvented (high dose IV administration of the active constituents). Rat bioassays have also demonstrated androgenic effects.

If you're asking exactly *how* does tribulus or rather the active constituents in it, increase LH and testosterone, that's a good question. Unfortunately, there isn't much data which has looked at the exact mechanism of action for tribulus as there isn't much funding when it comes to supplements used for such purposes. However, I think it's also important to understand that we still don't have all of the exact mechanisms mapped out for aspirin, not to mention a large number of compounds which are used today. Even in those cases where there are mechanisms, they are simply "proposed" mechanisms with some (generally limited) supportive data behind them. "

I still don't know what to make of this..

T-Matt


macrophage69alpha said:
basically, you feel things that would lead you to believe that your test levels are increasing.. when in fact they are not.

this is one of the reasons that people beleived that yohimbine increased test levels, because of its secondary effects on phosphodieterase it increased erection frequency and hardness. of course yohimbine does not increase testosterone, but its effects could lead one to beleive that it does.

as a note- yohimbine was the only oral drug approved for the treatment of erectile disfunction prior to viagra.
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actually those rat studies did NOT find increased LH or Testosterone. Assumptions were made based on receptor modeling.

J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Jan 4;96(1-2):127-32. Related Articles, Links


Effect of Tribulus terrestris on nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate-diaphorase activity and androgen receptors in rat brain.

Gauthaman K, Adaikan PG.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, National University Hospital, National University of Singapore, 5 Lower Kent Ridge Road, Singapore 119074, Singapore.

Tribulus terrestris L. (Zygophyllaceae) have been used as an aphrodisiac both in the Indian and Chinese traditional systems of medicine. Administration of Tribulus terrestris extract (TT) [dincreased sexual behaviour and intracavernous pressure both in normal and castrated rats and these effects were probably due to the androgen increasing property of TT. The objective of the present study is to evaluate the effect of TT on nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate-diaphorase (NADPH-d) activity and androgen receptor (AR) immunoreactivity in rat brain. Twenty-four adult male Sprague-Dawley rats were divided into two groups of twelve each. Group I was treated with distilled water and Group II was treated with TT at the dose of 5mg/kg body weight orally, once daily for 8 weeks. Following treatment transcardiac perfusion was done with Ringer lactate, 4% paraformaldehyde and 30% sucrose. The brain tissue was removed and sections of the paraventricular (PVN) area of hypothalamus were taken for NADPH-d and AR immunostaining. There was an increase in both NADPH-d (67%) and AR immunoreactivity (58%) in TT treated group and these results were statistically significant compared to the control. Chronic treatment of TT in rats increases the NADPH-d positive neurons and AR immunoreactivity in the PVN region. Androgens are known to increase both AR and NADPH-d positive neurons either directly or by its conversion to oestrogen. The mechanism for the observed increase in AR and NADPH-d positive neurons in the present study is probably due to the androgen increasing property of TT. The findings from the present study add further support to the aphrodisiac claims of TT.

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these kind of assumptions are infuriating. Instead of testing testosterone levels or LH levels, they study an aspect of activity that can be caused by multiple actors.


now this study actually measures the correct variables

J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Related Articles, Links


The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.

Neychev VK, Mitev VI.

Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
 
Tmag or Tnation forum is as useful at tits on a bull. They know as much about gear as my 12 year old niece.

But they seem to know a lot about Creatine, Smilax officinalis & Ultimate Orange!!!
 
T-Matt said:
I know I mention Biotest products a lot, but Biotest's Alpha Male is friggin AWESOME at boosting natural testosterone levels..

T-Matt
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Biotest Alpha Male is good stuff definately.
 
Tribulus - track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=168081&s=219&a=12913
I received the order and it was on time and the pills work great.
 
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