Tren e + winny = no results??

[artrius]

OK, so I've been on 500 mg/ ew of tren e and winny for about 6 weeks now (about to drop the winny) and I haven't seen a DAMNED thing. No substantial increases in strength(just normal strength gains), no bf reduction, nothing. I have been training for 7 years, this is my first cycle. I'm 5'11", ~244 as of this morning, at about 18% bodyfat.

My diet is about 3000 kcals a day, with about 300g carbs, 300g protein, and 67g fat. Its split into about 6 or 7 meals a day.

Any help would be appreciated!!! Should I increase my tren dosage or something?

NOTE: I've recently started taking T3/Clen about a week ago to see if it will help. I've noticed some increased vascularity in my arms, but that's about it.

 

[artrius]

oops this was a double post, disregard this one.

 

[monkey arms]

something stinks....do you have a good source? i"ve never run tren E but it should have rocked your world by now and I notice the effects of Winny with in the first week. I'd say that your stuff is bunk.

Also you might want to recount your calories. I'm 220 and anything under 3500kcal, I loose weight regardless of gear.

You may want to also stop using T3 until you know your gear is good.

 

[LoneTree]

Number of calories depend on your weight.
16-17 calories per pound should be enough.

 

[NightmarePortrait]

Got fake?

 

[artrius]

well, I source checked him here, and he's a respected guy on the boards... so I know its legit... the winny, I bought in bulk and split with my buddy, and he had good results with it.....

 

[satchboogie]

check your training intenisty/diet bro.

 

[LoneTree]

At 3000 calories a day, you should be losing fat.
Probably you have lost fat and gained muscle.

 

[artrius]

well, my training is great... I'm always wore the hell out, and I'm still getting stronger, but its the kind of gains I get normally without any gear.

As for fat, I've lost a little bit, but nothing to really write home about. I eat the same thing every day, so....

 

[gollieth2]

If You Bf Is At 18, I Wouldnt Think You Would See Any Results, This Combo Is Best For Hardening And Vascularity. I Think Your Bf Needs To Be At Least 10-12 Before Results Will Show.

 

[Clean]

I think also at 18% BF you wouldn't notice anything from winny, but if you aren't feeling anything either, then maybe the gear is fake.

 

[gollieth2]

Check Pm's

 

[BionicBC]

If You Bf Is At 18, I Wouldnt Think You Would See Any Results, This Combo Is Best For Hardening And Vascularity. I Think Your Bf Needs To Be At Least 10-12 Before Results Will Show.

For the most part, agreed. His strength should still be up though, at least from the Tren if not the Winny.
Bionic

 

[Güclü_oglan]

your gear must be fake bro

 

[artrius]

nah, its not fake... like I said, its from a trusted source on this board... I've noticed in the past, however, that I've been very resistant to drugs, supplements, and OTC items. I have to take a much larger dose of everything to get the same effect for someone else.

 

[Goldprospector]

artrius ,Check your PM bro

 

[Gastroc O'Jenkins]

artrius ,Check your PM bro

I'd be interested to see if its the lab I think it is too....

 

[awol1]

i don't get it either. at the very least you should feel differently. especially using tren. you should want to throw the weights through the wall and kick anyone's ass that looks at you funny.

if your bf was low your arms would look like roadmaps.

if your shit is good, maybe the juice aint for you. try test. if you dont get big and want to screw everything in site you'll know if you were meant to be one with the dark side.

 

[slat1]

I used tren ent once before at 500mgs/wk. I didn't notice the legendary strength gains that everyone else talks about either. I did drop down to 7.5% bf with out any cardio though...

 

[artrius]

The only other different thing I've noticed is that I'm getting acne. I've always been prone to it, but its been fine for a long time. Now its on my chest a bit, I've got all these damned red spots

 

[slat1]

B5 works wonders for acne!!!

 

[artrius]

hmmm never heard of that.... I was thinking of getting ahold of some accutane (it worked miracles on me when I was a kid), but b5 I can get at walmart with no script... not a bad idea.... thx

 

[Gastroc O'Jenkins]

B5 works wonders for acne!!!

i'll second that

b5 pwned the shit growing on my shoulders in about 3 weeks

i got mine at http://www.superiornutraceuticals.com/products/Acne_Blast.htm
not sure if that's the best price but they had 1g caps which was perfect for me

 

[krishna]

Acne is a good sign that it's real, but I'm still perplexed about the strength gains.

 

[artrius]

well that makes 2 of us... maybe I need to increase my calories to gain some of that strength everyone raves about.