I will be more than happy to.
First! My Friend The hurricane stated:
thats the problem with this cycle .. it can be beastly for some and can cause serious problems for others .. Mixing tren & deca can cause serious gyno, bad limppp dickk and serious shutdown.... If you had used tren without deca (multiple times) and deca without tren (muitple times) you would have some idea how u might respond and could try mixing the two.if u have pretty bad results from 1 or the other, u mix the 2, u are gonna be in trouble A noob should NEVER try this as a 1st 2nd or 3rd cylce ... it could be a disaster !!
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Just because you didn't get gyno doesn't mean you won't next time, plus These are my opinions-as you get older Recovery is going to get harder, Nandrolones linger in the body up to 18 months, plus they suppress sex drive add tren and you may never have the same level of sex again before you started the cycle, altho PCT has come a long way ,with compounds like these it's like playing russian roulette.
So to sum it up, just because you have had success 2 maybe 3 times there's nothing you can take or do if disaster strikes on the third time, i have seen it happen more than once to members!
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Now as for your deca shutting you down more this is not true in a sense. People will experence what most believe to be (shut down more) from npp,tren and deca but it has nothing to do with the length of ester. Well not really any way but it kind of does lol.. and it has nothing to do with really being shut down more then with other aas. Its more of a different kind of reason for the shut down.
Inhibition of the HPTA is caused by either elevated androgen, estrogen or
progesterone levels . As most people can easily notice by looking at all common pct programs they really do not address the
raised progesterone
aspect of a Nandro based cycle.
So its common for many people to do a cycle of any nandro and then pct and still come out on the other end with high progesterone levels and therefor still have Inhibition of the HPTA. Low sex drive and not being able to get hard is often a common problem during this time as well.
Some ways to deal with this aspect of HPTA Inhibition would be some of the following.
1.During a cycle that contains deca. It is common for people o run a test base 2-3 weeks past there deca. Ie weeks 1-10 deca 300mg ew and weeks 1-12 test-e 500mg ew.
During cycle when tren/npp is used running a test base a few days to a week past the last administration of tren/npp has been reported by many to help recovery.
2. Runny a dht derivative threw out the cycle till the end,at the end,or during a pree pct phase. Dht lowers estrogen,shbg,and progesterone. This has been known to bring progesterone back to or closer to normal. There is many different ways of doing it.
3. If all else fails dostinex/bromo can be used during pct alongside nolve/clomid or what ever you use during pct. I myself see this is a last resort as its a harsh drug. Always use the lowest dose you can get away with.
For people worried about prolactin induced gyno One should understand that
progesterone/prolactin works synergistically with estrogen, to stimulate breast production. also prolactin only has a stimulatory effect on gynecomastia in the prescence of high circulating estrogen levels. Its why adding a dht to your cycle works so synergistic. (note progesterone receptor expression increases when using nolva so not a good on cycle choice when running nondro's)
However some people still experence prolactin induced gyno. All the studies in the world can say otherwise but the user feed back is out there in the millions.
When trying to fight gyno during a nandro base cycle you should follow some of these steps.
A light dose of ai (I like adex)
A higher dose of AI or same dose Ai and add proviron 25-50mg ed.
Letro
letro with proviron
and if all else fails a AI and dostinex
Now of course this can all depend on the cycle you are on. What stage of the cycle you are in. How much you know about yourself,the drugs you are taking and how they effect you.
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