tren and gyno just don't mix!!!

[Big Brother Val]

I have no scientific information to add to this. I think it's interesting all around.

As Da Big Thinker said, I did get gyno from deca. I'm currently taking tren at 150 mgs/day. And my nips got VERY sensitive at first... but that has eased off. They don't hurt... there are no lumps... there is no itching... they're just a little sensitive.

Now... if I can get gyno from Deca alone, don't you think I should get it from Fina also? It's the same thing, right? Progesterone is progesterone, if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe I should bump it up to 225 mgs/day to see if I get it. But I wouldn't take the dosage up that high anyway... so I feel I'm safe.

Why would I get PR gyno from Deca, but not from Fina, if Fina can cause it?

I don't know enough about it to elaborate why.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

"Oh sure I believe some idiot got bitch tits from using fina, but that's his fault for buying a fake, should be more careful in checking out your sources. "

"Whoah there, buddy! I made my own fina solutions from the pellets, so I can assure you that it's not fake. However, I also got gyno symptoms from using NOTHING BUT FINA at 75mg eod. I do not think I am an idiot, nor is anyone else who got gyno symptoms from homemade fina. Just because you do not get symptoms from fina does not mean it is unable to cause gyno in others. "


I made my own from the pellets straight out of the cartridge also. Don't assume anything and make YOURSELF look like an idiot Big Cat.

OK I don't have 8 teats, but gyno did kick in and I stopped immediately and gyno receded. Left nip is still a little tender. It's a shame because the Fina was kicking major ass.

 

[Big Cat HH]

So if we can't take arimidex, what do you suggest?

Nothing at all, how easy can it be ? Its non-aromatizing and its lean and easy to maintain gains. tren is one of the very few steroids that doesn't warrant the use of extra medication.

 

[Big Cat HH]

Whoah there, buddy! I made my own fina solutions from the pellets, so I can assure you that it's not fake. However, I also got gyno symptoms from using NOTHING BUT FINA at 75mg eod. I do not think I am an idiot, nor is anyone else who got gyno symptoms from homemade fina. Just because you do not get symptoms from fina does not mean it is unable to cause gyno in others.

Think you are missing the point here. Fina is INCAPABLE of forming an estrogen or agonizing a progestin receptor. If you did make the fina yourself, and you checked if the stuff was for real and you weren't taking some revalor crap with E2 in it, then I think you need to go back over what you used to mix and figure out what contaminated your solution.

A progestin receptor activation would also involve water retention and adipose storage to a point, while studies clearly document that TBA actually decreases body-fat when not competing with circulating estradiol. Meaning if you git bitch tits from your product, it has to have another active ingredient because the TBA didn't cause it, that's conclusive.

I don't think you will ever find a study in which subjects were injected with tren to specifically see if they get gyno.

What I'm referring to is a conclusion of gyno or any progestagenic symptom in any test examing I don't care what with trenbolone, but where trenbolone is the only verified active substance and where the subject of the study is male.

 

[Big Cat HH]

As Da Big Thinker said, I did get gyno from deca. I'm currently taking tren at 150 mgs/day. And my nips got VERY sensitive at first... but that has eased off. They don't hurt... there are no lumps... there is no itching... they're just a little sensitive.

Deca is a considerably long acting ester and nandrolone itself can be re-esterified in the body. So the continued sensitivity in this case is as much the result of the deca as it was during your stack, it had nothing to do with the fina.

Your conclusions stroke with reality, for someone who thought they had nothing to add, you've certainly drawn specific conclusions, so I'm going to bump your post all the way.

 

[Big Cat HH]

I made my own from the pellets straight out of the cartridge also. Don't assume anything and make YOURSELF look like an idiot Big Cat.

OK I don't have 8 teats, but gyno did kick in and I stopped immediately and gyno receded. Left nip is still a little tender. It's a shame because the Fina was kicking major ass.

Probably used Revalor-S instead of Fina then. Or perhaps fake pellets, although I admit that's a less likely conclusion. I don't assume. I'm examining the facts and drawing my logical conclusion. This conclusion is drawn from two specific standpoints :

A. Nothing about TBA would remotely activate any estrogenic or progestagenic receptor, or converse with the aromatse enzyme. This is basic biochemistry

B. There is no proof of documented history in the lit of anyone, not even an isolated case, developing any estrogenic or progestagenic symptoms with the use of TBA alone.

Any further discussion of that point would only make me add that you are the one making assumptions. Its easy to say your tits originated from the fina, because of course you are perfect. Science on the other hand is flawed then I assume ? The proof is heavily in favor of the fact that TBA does not cause gyno. Period.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Big Cat, I don't know if you know this or not, however there have been studies that show trenbolone does in fact stimulate the PR receptor, and actually has a greater affinity for the PR receptor than progesterone itself. That is science. Not your silly ad hominem attacks.

Not only that, you act like everybody else is unfit to wipe your ass. Don't you think the guys on here know the difference between fina and revalor-s?

I am ecstatic you get no progesterone sides from trenbolone, honestly I am. However, reality and what you have been writing are two vastly different things.

 

[jotun79]

Thank you, TxLonghorn! I, for one, do not need to see any studies to know that tren can cause gyno, but it would seem that others do. I was wondering when the other Fina board guys would jump in on this one!

And Big Cat HH, again don't go assuming that we're idiots and purchased the wrong implant cartridges or are too stupid to follow sterile conversion techniques. Is it really so hard to believe that tren causes gyno in some people?

Jotun79

 

[Big Cat HH]

Big Cat, I don't know if you know this or not, however there have been studies that show trenbolone does in fact stimulate the PR receptor, and actually has a greater affinity for the PR receptor than progesterone itself. That is science.

I'm waiting ...

 

[Big Cat HH]

And Big Cat HH, again don't go assuming that we're idiots and purchased the wrong implant cartridges or are too stupid to follow sterile conversion techniques. Is it really so hard to believe that tren causes gyno in some people?

Don't get me wrong, its not in the least bit my intention to make you out for idiots, though my words do lean that way, its just the way I talk. My apologies for that.

But yes, it is so hard to believe that tren causes gyno. Like I said, all the lit points towards the effects of tren being counter-progestagenic, rather than progestagenic. That's just the way it is until proven otherwise. Its really not a well thought out argument to claim something instead of examining the other causes that are more likely to cause such reactions.

Oh, and for Txlonghorn, I don't know these guys, how am I supposed to know if they know the diff between fina and revalor. Lets just say it was a more reasonable, plausible and better substantiated theory than anything your proferred. I await your studies.