tren and gyno just don't mix!!!

[da big thinker]

Studies are great and can lead us to experiment with new stratagies however, a lot of studies fail to transfer to real world result and experiences.

it is my real life experience and my trainees as well that sparked my curiosity;i just haven't seen any libido or bitch tit probs w/ any of them...thru tren use BY ITSELF...---fyi

 

[whodaman]

I now have small lumps under my left and right nipple....they are not visible thanks God...but I have a feeling it was from Fina only. I'll never do Fina again with out Winstrol.

 

[Zyglamail]

Studies are great and can lead us to experiment with new stratagies however, a lot of studies fail to transfer to real world result and experiences.

Of course they dont directly transfer to real world experience, BUT they do tell us how drugs affect our systems and then we can make the correlations between these interactions, draw some conclusions and act accordingly. The real problem arises from people who do not understand the inner workings and can not or will not read abstracts and studies and apply what is learned to the real world. Im not saying I know it all, hell I hardly know anything, but I am always trying to expand my knowledge and when something is questioned I try not to immediatly denounce those claims becuase it has been regurgitated here by a couple dozen people in the past. Studies, while never encompassing all the aspects we need, they do contain pieces to the puzzle which we need to put together.

IGF-1 has been shown to cause gyno, so has estrogen and progesterone. Now, can any of these cause it alone in the absence of one of the other elements?

thx for the info Zyg...hey Zyg,in all your experiences w/ tren,have you experienced decrease in libido or bitch tits...?by using ONLY tren...w/o combining it w/ another substance

On 75mg/eod tren and 50mg/ed winny I got oily and very itchy skin no loss in labido at all. Keep in mind that increased progesterone has proven to increase sex drive to a certain point and then it drastically falls off. No sign of gyno in the least.

On 75mg/ed tren, 600mg/wk enth and 600mg/wk EQ and .5mg anastrozole ed I have far fewer sides than I did on the fina at half the dose and winny. I dont have the oily skin and itchy scalp or achy joints. Not even the slightest lump nor itch in my nipples. Now, if tren not only causes an increase in IGF-1 but bind to the PR receptor as well, it is in essence increasing 2 factor that are largely responsible for causing gyno. We know that nolva not only reduces IGF-1 but also blocks estrogen and if tren shuts you down hard and you have virtually no natural test, then there would be very little estrogen to begin with which means you have only 1 available peice(ie PR) of the gyno puzzle in place. The real question should be how much and which pieces of the puzzle need to be in place for the onset of gyno?

 

[Big Cat HH]

Did any of you geniusses bother reading anything more than the abstract of that study ? It clearly documents the sex-related issue of TBA in stimulating the progestin receptor. In cows its general to inject TBA into the female of the species ...

Also would like to remind some of you who have forgotten that a cow is no human. These results when transferred to the human organism will not correlate all that strongly.

Oh sure I believe some idiot got bitch tits from using fina, but that's his fault for buying a fake, should be more careful in checking out your sources.

The reason why no loss of libido is noted with tren is because it is mostly AR-mediated and for small cycles that alone will suffice in keeping libido up.

So I'm going to agree with some of the guys in here that say tren does not cause bitch tits. Until someone can present me with a study that is A) conclusive and B) applicable to the situation.

 

[Big Cat HH]

The first is a study regarding the gyno effects of IGF-1.
Here is an animal study showing how tren increases IGF-1
Granted the above animal study was not just pure tren implantation, but it clearly demonstrates that tren does play a role in increasing IGF-1.

I don't know how your thinking works here, but my first thought here would be that there is a strong correlation between E2 and IGF-1, not IGF-1 and TBA. If IGF-1 levels elevating cause gyno, my first thought is not of an androgen, but of an estrogen, then perhaps a progestin. Since the latter of the two studies documents that a mix containing estradiol increases IGF-1 levels, and the first of the studies documents IGF-1 can cause bitch tits, the logical conclusion, correct me if I'm wrong, would be that High levels of circulating IGF-1 correspons with a high levels of estradiol.

 

[MaxIntense]

So if we can't take arimidex, what do you suggest?

 

[Adaptek]

great thread guys, lots of stuff to think about.

still interested in Fina problems, looking to do fina soon

 

[negaun]

great thread guys, lots of stuff to think about.

still interested in Fina problems, looking to do fina soon

bump

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

I did the cattle food and I have now have an utter with a full set of 8 teats that all you Fina praisers can suck.

 

[jotun79]

Oh sure I believe some idiot got bitch tits from using fina, but that's his fault for buying a fake, should be more careful in checking out your sources.

Whoah there, buddy! I made my own fina solutions from the pellets, so I can assure you that it's not fake. However, I also got gyno symptoms from using NOTHING BUT FINA at 75mg eod. I do not think I am an idiot, nor is anyone else who got gyno symptoms from homemade fina. Just because you do not get symptoms from fina does not mean it is unable to cause gyno in others.

So I'm going to agree with some of the guys in here that say tren does not cause bitch tits. Until someone can present me with a study that is A) conclusive and B) applicable to the situation.

I don't think you will ever find a study in which subjects were injected with tren to specifically see if they get gyno.

Jotun79