by much harsher you would be referring to what exactly? and why would you not use tren? which part don't you like about itBozwell said:mast is a good compund but tren is FAR stronger and MUCH harsher
love mast
wont use tren
Tren can cause all kind of nasty sides ..night sweats,insomina ,possable kidney damage,the cough ,destoryed lipids,high bp ,I dont like the fact I cant find any studys that tell me any effects of trenbolone in humans,I dont like the colour of it and the fact its given to cattle weeks before slaughter so long term health wasnt thought about when it was madedhudson8 said:by much harsher you would be referring to what exactly? and why would you not use tren? which part don't you like about it
Bozwell said:Tren can cause all kind of nasty sides ..night sweats,insomina ,possable kidney damage,the cough ,destoryed lipids,high bp ,I dont like the fact I cant find any studys that tell me any effects of trenbolone in humans,I dont like the colour of it and the fact its given to cattle weeks before slaughter so long term health wasnt thought about when it was made
were as mast is safe to use at high doses for long peroids of time and give little if any side for me anyway ..used upto 700mg ew and plan on going higher and I can research it as much I want
Ill use halo but not tren
Ive looked all over to try and find info on parabolon and cant find out why it was discontinued or any studys on it,it was only aroung for a short while before vanished from the pharm shelfsused2juice said:Trenbolone was made as human grade back in the 70's as parabolan. It has now been discontinued but you would have to assume that a compound that was legally made for human use had to have been tested in some respect before Negma was given the legal right to produce it.
As for masteron, I like it for hardening since it's a DHT derivative. But as far as a good AAS for the masses, tren is god's gift.
I also finfd thay mast or proviron helps greatly with oestrogen and progesterone sideCBAR said:I'm taking tren at 50mg ed / sust 75mg ed / mast 50 mg ed.
I was on just the test and tren and was getting nailed with sides..... added the masteron and now everything is COOL. Tren is definitly cutting me up nicely but the masteron not only helped calm down sides but has made me look alot harder and I feel stronger at the gym, water bloat is gone and estrogen levels are back in check. I LOVE masteron. Tren and mast are def different. I will never take tren and test agian without the masteron.
19-nor (nandrolone) and sides are harder to deal with from them.lifthard2005 said:mast and tren are not simliar at all.
mast is a DHT compound and tren is a 19-nor (nandrolone)
150-200mg eod is were it gets good,I plan on running 250mg eod over summer!!dhudson8 said:i have a buddy getting ready to take almost the same cycle as I am. He is however going to take the masteron. How much masteron should he take? how long through the cycle? thanks alot
he will be taking dbol, sust, and finishing with winny.
lifthard2005 said:mast + tren = agression out of control. these are very intense androgens and used together spells temper.....i started using it bfore at 100mg of each with 100 mg of porp and i lasted 3 days and had to stop the mast, i wanted to kill the world for no reason.....be careful when mixing these two
dhudson8 said:I know most of your gains that you keep depend alot on your PCT, but you are going to lose some no matter what I believe. Are you more likely to keep your gains with tren or mast better?
Also I am not lean enough to be cut. I am trying to lean up a little, but I want to basically get some more strength, size and hardness. I don't want to get my bf too low that I cannot maintain it in a realistic fashion. I just have a hard time losing the fat on my love handles and my lower stomach. I have a flat stomach from the side and definition in my upper abs,but the lower abs are still a little soft even though it appears flat, and the love handles...... they pretty have never went away no matter what i do. I just would like to be able to build hard lean muscle. I know I can gain the mass pretty easily on the supplements, but I also very easily pack on the water weight which is why my concern is to try and eliminate this as much as possible. Now with the tren if i take it and can gain some good size without too much worry of water gain and gyno then this would definately be my choice over the mast seeing as how i need to lose some fat before I would see the results of a good cutting steroid. My buddy on the other hand has almost no fat on his body so a cutting steroid is right up his alley.
thats why you run mast or winny along with itViperHMS said:Tren wont convert to estrogen, thus wont make you hold water while on it, but it may cause gyno thru prolactin buildup.
danymal04 said:thats why you run mast or winny along with it
used2juice said:Trenbolone was made as human grade back in the 70's as parabolan. It has now been discontinued but you would have to assume that a compound that was legally made for human use had to have been tested in some respect before Negma was given the legal right to produce it.
As for masteron, I like it for hardening since it's a DHT derivative. But as far as a good AAS for the masses, tren is god's gift.
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