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revexrevex
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Do you guys/girls think the standard trapbar can hold 400+ lbs?
Do you guys/girls think the standard trapbar can hold 400+ lbs?
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revexrevex
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bump for anyone who tried it with more than 4 plates
revexrevex said:
I've done an easy 585 and Cheese has pulled near 550 on a Trap Bar.
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revexrevex
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was it a thin 'curlbar' (well thats all people use it for) i think its 15 lbs....... or the thicker, longer bar which is like 25 lbs?
revexrevex said:
Uhhh...my trap bar is like probably 45 pounds.
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Lord_Suston
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Hey Bfold, do you thi8nk the trap bar gives better resuylts than the straight bar? cause I have the choice of using either and I am not sure which one might improve my strength more.... any thoughts.....
SofaGeorge
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What's the advantage of using it?
gettinlarger
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SofaGeorge said:
Not gonna f up your shins. But shit, that's what deads are all about!!
With the trap bar, you have no variation. Regular bar, you have several different grips to choose from. But, I guess the trap bar is good for a change every now and then.
blinddeafmute
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Ive got a velcro pad that I put around the bar to protect my shins. It rolls right up them without eating up my legs. Very nice.
Lord_Suston said:
I hate the trap bar. I see no way that it is going to bring up my regular deadlift or any other exercise. I feel that doing the trap bar deadlift will bring up the trap bar deadlift only. Cheese likes to do it from time to time because it is different...I think that it is a waste of a perfectly good Sunday ME exercise...
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Debaser
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I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. I'll just relay IronAddict's opinion, as it is the same as mine:
"I could write pages praising the advantages of the Trap Bar and it's value in assisting the trainee to reach their physical potential. This piece of equipment, when used correctly has the ability to transform physiques. Muscles worked when using this movement are thighs, hamstrings, glutes, lower back, upper back (lats, mid back, traps), forearms, and abs/obliques. In other words, the same muscles used a when performing the bent legged deadlift. So what makes the Trap Bar so special, and makes it a superior movement to the strait bar deadlift? Simple, works the same muscles as the conventional deadlift while making it a safer movement by avoiding undue stress to the lower back and providing more stress to the thighs. Because it reduces the need for extreme technical proficiency as required during the strait bar deadlift most trainees are able to push harder and move more weight. The sum total is a super productive movement that works approximately 70% of your lean body mass relatively safely."
"I could write pages praising the advantages of the Trap Bar and it's value in assisting the trainee to reach their physical potential. This piece of equipment, when used correctly has the ability to transform physiques. Muscles worked when using this movement are thighs, hamstrings, glutes, lower back, upper back (lats, mid back, traps), forearms, and abs/obliques. In other words, the same muscles used a when performing the bent legged deadlift. So what makes the Trap Bar so special, and makes it a superior movement to the strait bar deadlift? Simple, works the same muscles as the conventional deadlift while making it a safer movement by avoiding undue stress to the lower back and providing more stress to the thighs. Because it reduces the need for extreme technical proficiency as required during the strait bar deadlift most trainees are able to push harder and move more weight. The sum total is a super productive movement that works approximately 70% of your lean body mass relatively safely."
Debaser said:
How did I know that you would disagree and use a quote from someone else...lol.
Do whatever you wish...I just don't see many freaks of nature (size or strength) using them. It hasn't produced any huge squatters, deadlifters, bodybuilders, or strongmen. I just think that it was designed to make an exercise easier...and it does just that. It makes the deadlift motion easier.
If it worked the same muscles as the conventional deadlift then there would be NO difference. None. I could take most of what you quoted and say near the same for most any machine designed to make another exercise 'safer'.
I wish you the best of luck with the Trap Bar...and I hope that it leads to a 700+ deadlift and squat soon... (seriously).
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Debaser
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Who said not to learn proper form? It was only stated that the form is less technical and easier to master with the trapbar. This is obviously a good thing.
It works your back less, and your thighs more. Thus more even distribution over the entire body. I never said regular deadlifts are bad, in fact I do them myself. But that doesn't change the fact that trapbar deadlifts are an incredibly productive exercise.
Also, what does it mean that it hasn't produced any "monsters"? IronAddict is 240 lbs at 8% BF and has been as high as 270. But what does it matter? Considering that the exercise is perpetuated mostly by the Hardgainer community, I would take that into consideration. Not everyone wants to pull an 800 lb deadlift in competition, not everyone cares about bringing up their squat poundages, some (most) people just want to build muscle, and the trapbar does so with great efficiency. Even if it did only bring up the poundage for the trapbar deadlift (which I doubt), can you say a man who brings it up from 100 to 600 lbs isn't going to see some size increase? And then would you say he could still only do a standard deadlift of 100 lbs?
It works your back less, and your thighs more. Thus more even distribution over the entire body. I never said regular deadlifts are bad, in fact I do them myself. But that doesn't change the fact that trapbar deadlifts are an incredibly productive exercise.
Also, what does it mean that it hasn't produced any "monsters"? IronAddict is 240 lbs at 8% BF and has been as high as 270. But what does it matter? Considering that the exercise is perpetuated mostly by the Hardgainer community, I would take that into consideration. Not everyone wants to pull an 800 lb deadlift in competition, not everyone cares about bringing up their squat poundages, some (most) people just want to build muscle, and the trapbar does so with great efficiency. Even if it did only bring up the poundage for the trapbar deadlift (which I doubt), can you say a man who brings it up from 100 to 600 lbs isn't going to see some size increase? And then would you say he could still only do a standard deadlift of 100 lbs?
It still sounds like it's the easy way out. Everything you mentioned as reasons it's "good", are just reasons that people choose NOT to perform regular deads.
Productive excercise? You bet. So is walking up and down stairs and concentration curls, but you don't the strongest men/women on the planet doing that for overall strength, do you?
But, I think we are getting away from something also. Bodybuilding and strength training. You just aren't going to see a lot of athletes who train for strength using a trap bar, just as you won't see them doing cable cross-overs.
A trap bar is just not the most effective tool for strength training, but it appears to have some benefit in bodybuilding.
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Joker
Productive excercise? You bet. So is walking up and down stairs and concentration curls, but you don't the strongest men/women on the planet doing that for overall strength, do you?
But, I think we are getting away from something also. Bodybuilding and strength training. You just aren't going to see a lot of athletes who train for strength using a trap bar, just as you won't see them doing cable cross-overs.
A trap bar is just not the most effective tool for strength training, but it appears to have some benefit in bodybuilding.
My.02,
Joker
Sorry Debasser if I have offended you. I didn't mean to do that. I just hate the trap bar deadlift and find it nearly useless for MY needs.
I also did not mean to put down IronAddict in any way.
I still stand by what I said about the usefulness of the trap bar though. I hear that it might help some people who are having leg drive problems on the deadlift...maybe it would help some OL lifters...
What do you think CCJ?
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I also did not mean to put down IronAddict in any way.
I still stand by what I said about the usefulness of the trap bar though. I hear that it might help some people who are having leg drive problems on the deadlift...maybe it would help some OL lifters...
What do you think CCJ?
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