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reigninghard
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too many little people...need to go ahead and flatten
Top Chinese General warns U.S. over attack.
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yuptiger88 said:
It's common to label Hitler crazy for attacking Russia
but damn before I comment that was his whole goal to begin with
the russians performed miserably in WWI
the russians performed miserably against little Finland in the "winter war" of 40
Hitler's armies had already enjoyed great success against better equiped and trained opponents(france and britian in 40)
it was THE endeavor
and ultimately the german "gutting" of the USSR preserved democracy for the remainder of western europe
who did we fight a 50 year cold war with?
berlin airlift?
etc,etc
mountain muscle
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eat big said:
While I resent the statement of ignorance. It is ignorant to believe That China would walk over the USA. Their leaders may be more willing to use nukes than ours however, we have the most complete, fierce and best equipped fighting force the world has ever seen.
Our war plan and execution of policy, along with a willingness to use all means necessary would be the determining factors. The US public, at least the vocal minority could not handle the losses a war with China would bring.
Nukes, we have far more. China is not foolish enough to use them against the USA no matter their leader's mindset.
China would have to be the leader of a worldwide coalition to defeat the US.
This fight, however, is inevitable whether it be nuclear or political.
Mammoth2500
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1st thing all you guys are forgetting is US is not going to invade unless the UN is going to back them up. I don't think the US is ready for another iraq mistake finacially wise and politically.
Once the UN is in then its a unstoppable force.
China can do nothing but cry and wimper and throw threats down about nukes. I would kill the gook leaders now if i had the chance.
All i know is this should be taken care of now before China does become a super power!
Once the UN is in then its a unstoppable force.
China can do nothing but cry and wimper and throw threats down about nukes. I would kill the gook leaders now if i had the chance.
All i know is this should be taken care of now before China does become a super power!
Y_lifter
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redguru said:
There's a 24 hr Super Walmart in East Orlando near Bithlo where all the trailer folks live, and my Daughter calls it the "Hillbilly Walmart"...
I've stopped in there early on the way fishing for frozen bait etc and its
totally awesome in a "WTF was that" ? kind of way..
CENTURION44
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ziggyziggy said:
I hope that statement is correct....i hope we are well prepared for a flock of nukes coming our way...from what i understand of our nuclear munition...by the time they knew it was coming..it would be too late...
patsfan1379
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Unless China somehow gets an air force, gets aircaft carriers or builds submarines anytime soon they can continue to cart me around Manhattan in a rickshaw.
GoldenDelicious
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yeah sure, i know some greek guys who are gay, though your insinuation that i might be one of them is quite funnyredguru said:
would you be so bold as to lend me your girlfriend, or sister (or both
) redguru? (so long as theyre up to standards of course....though i wont hold my breath...pun intended )anyhow i dont care taht youre offended by my generalisations...youre the one in the bubble, it isnt your place to see yourself from the outside, and hence, your opinion is moot.
interesting.redguru said:
and how would you deal with the interesting fact that battlefield first aid and medical advances are what has truly stemmed the death rate, pushing what would previously have been fatalities into lifelong maimings. the ratio of dead soldiers to injured soldiers (mainly amputees) has gone from 4:1 as per vietnam to 11:1 in iraq.
seems to throw a bit of a spanner in the works of your trendy little graph
firstly, i would assert that you are facing not an insurgency, but a resistance, since an insurgency happens when a legitimate government has been established and there are elements within the country that rise up after that event and fight to change the status quo.redguru said:
in the case of iraq, the iraqis are actually fighting off an opressor (the US) and so really, should be called a resistence, rendering your statement, again, moot
(you have to love that )furthermore, in the case of using the shortcomings of the french to justify your own immoral, unethical behaviour, please, could you do us all a favour and back off using comparitive morality with an 18th century (and previous) superpower, which was, to boot, an era in which barbarism was tolerated to a far greater degree than today. in that vein, why not dismiss greek opposition to the war on the premise that the greeks routinely exterminated entire turkish cities, what, a mere....2000 years ago
hey buddy, why not have a read on guerilla warfare and the underlying battle philosophy. the US is bleeding to death in iraq. your international image is suffering. your economy is suffering. your public is crying out. you cant keep it up. i hate to break it to you, bud, but ala russian afghanistan...youre losing if you arent winning...and you arent winningredguru said:
dont you hate it when reality lines your gonads up and gives them a good booting?
bunch of mofos. you think that i forgot about this thread, didntcha?
GoldenDelicious
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i dont veil my insults at all, gambinoGambino said:
i say it like i see it, and really, i dont give a shit (in case you hadnt noticed
)GoldenDelicious
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because you are fighting a guerilla war with a conventional army, against an enemy who is indistinguishable from the general population, using tactics that help create more enemy combatants, with a finite supply of public goodwill, money, and personell...all of which are running low...and as a certain south american guy pointed out, all the enemy has to do in a guerilla war is not lose, and they win, while their opponent bleeds to death before pressure on the home front instigates withdrawal.75th said:
like i said in my previous post, if you arent winning against the guerillas (and you arent) then youre losing. and you arent winning.
now, as for body count - that irrelevent, since the number of enemy keeps growing, while you are having recruitment problems at home. so, your enemy is in no way finite, while your troops are, meaning that a body count, even if it were relevent, pertains only to you, and in that case, makes it clear taht your 2.1 average per day death rate in iraq for US soldiers is pushing you towards defeat.
then, in regards to 'reform' ....LOL, given that civil war has already begun, and will escalate hugely - you do, after all have the kurds finally having hit critical mass and rising up against non kurdish iraqis, and the remaining 2 groups are at war since the vastly more numerous of them was opressed by the lesser...meaning that there is a lot of pent up rage that is going to flash as soon as a power vaccuum emerges. so your 'reforms' mean nothing, as the country is going to fall to pieces sooner or late, 'reforemed' or no, amking way for an entirely new iraq (hell, you cant even come up with an iraqi constitution)
and in terms of opinions of iraqi citizens...lol well, 1 suicide bomber a day is rather indicative of some serious displeasure, dont you think? hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
GoldenDelicious
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i know tha tyou were pressing buttons. i just like to argueluciasbrown said:LOL, you just hate the US thats all hahaha! Plus I made you write a lengthy response which was funny, I have total control over you!! I have studied this stuff for years and met with many people and discussed it personally with them. I had a personal tour with a friend who was highly placed in the FBI and which I posted about a coupla years ago, Ive been in the FBI warroom for 9-11, stood at the podium with the FBI seal on where they gave press conferences. Seen the inner workings and the computer systems, the wiretap systems, all of that. Discussed the patriot act with the lead counsel for the FBI where I wont disclose where and he was my neighbor and we watched football games together. When I was at the headquarters I met the consulate general from Japan, the head of the FBI region as we met in the elevator and continued talking as we toured the facility. I know alot more than I let on or could let on. Its a fascinating system setup, your jaw would drop on the floor if youve been to where Ive been lolol. I have faith in the US b/c Ive seen with my own eyes and ears what men and women dedicate their lives in preserving, willing to die for freedom and have, talked about people he knew that died in Oklahoma city, talked about the nations most notorious, discussed terrorism and plans and pitfalls and issues that are trying to be addressed. Its a mad mad mad world.
Ill explain it some time to you when we grab a beer when I come to Australia soon, although I dont know why anyone would live in the Northern territory, Id like to hear a logical explanation of that as well
and im in the territory because im a mans man
(not in that way, you 
bastard ) and im tuff, ya know (actually, i missed my family lol)GoldenDelicious
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given that it was written during a huuuuuuge, boozy, dancy, woman filled weekend, it was a rather good indictment of character i thinkLumberg said:
it meant, i hd other, more pleasant things to doill get round to it, just like i got round to this thread, alright, mate
redguru
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GoldenDelicious said:anyhow i dont care taht youre offended by my generalisations...youre the one in the bubble, it isnt your place to see yourself from the outside, and hence, your opinion is moot.
interesting.
and how would you deal with the interesting fact that battlefield first aid and medical advances are what has truly stemmed the death rate, pushing what would previously have been fatalities into lifelong maimings. the ratio of dead soldiers to injured soldiers (mainly amputees) has gone from 4:1 as per vietnam to 11:1 in iraq.
seems to throw a bit of a spanner in the works of your trendy little graph
Not really since my graph includes accidental death and death by natural causes, and the non-war years are still higher death ratios per capita. Also, isn't it interesting how I cite all statistical information and historical data but you always seem to provide anecdotal evidence?
GoldenDelicious said:firstly, i would assert that you are facing not an insurgency, but a resistance, since an insurgency happens when a legitimate government has been established and there are elements within the country that rise up after that event and fight to change the status quo.
in the case of iraq, the iraqis are actually fighting off an opressor (the US) and so really, should be called a resistence, rendering your statement, again, moot
So now the elected government of Iraq is an oppressor? Is this because the Sunnis elected to not participate in the election? As I said before, the insurgents and foreign terrorists that are carrying out these attacks are more frequently targeting indiginous people than coalition forces. In fact, Iraqi neighborhoods are forming militias to stave off these attacks.
From CNN/Reuters
It's better to have our own militias because we can recognize every stranger who comes into our neighborhood and the police can't," said Sattar Hashim in New Baghdad, a district where a bomb blast last week killed nearly two dozen children.
Hashim said local men guarding the area at the funerals of those killed in the blast detained a Libyan man strapped with explosives who was aiming to attack the ceremonies.
Neighbors supported the informal security.
"When they blocked this road, less people came to my shop and sales went down, but I don't mind as long as we're all safer," said Sheikh Mohammed, the owner of a herbal pharmacy on a street blocked off by water pipes, gates and palm tree trunks.
Hashim said local men guarding the area at the funerals of those killed in the blast detained a Libyan man strapped with explosives who was aiming to attack the ceremonies.
Neighbors supported the informal security.
"When they blocked this road, less people came to my shop and sales went down, but I don't mind as long as we're all safer," said Sheikh Mohammed, the owner of a herbal pharmacy on a street blocked off by water pipes, gates and palm tree trunks.
GoldenDelicious said:furthermore, in the case of using the shortcomings of the french to justify your own immoral, unethical behaviour, please, could you do us all a favour and back off using comparitive morality with an 18th century (and previous) superpower, which was, to boot, an era in which barbarism was tolerated to a far greater degree than today. in that vein, why not dismiss greek opposition to the war on the premise that the greeks routinely exterminated entire turkish cities, what, a mere....2000 years ago
You missed the boat on my French statement, I wasn't dissing thier imperialism, I was making fun of their abyssmal war record. Sorry you missed it, I'll footnote stuff like that next time so you don't feel left out.
GoldenDelicious said:hey buddy, why not have a read on guerilla warfare and the underlying battle philosophy. the US is bleeding to death in iraq. your international image is suffering. your economy is suffering. your public is crying out. you cant keep it up. i hate to break it to you, bud, but ala russian afghanistan...youre losing if you arent winning...and you arent winning
I think we know a little about geurilla warfare. We used it fairly effectively in the American Revolution. The US is not bleeding to death in Iraq. Wishing something so does not make it so. If you really think so, click your heels and and recite three times "There's no place like home". It'll get you farther in the long run.
Since a vast majority of the people in Iraq want to make this government work, and in fact, even the Sunni clerics are advocating voting in upcoming elections, your point of a growing insurgency is not valid.
USA Today/Christian Science Monitor
Except for the Sunni insurgent fringe, every faction appears eager to move forward to the constitutional referendum and the next elections. For many Sunnis, the elections appear to hold greater importance, as an opportunity to achieve genuine representation at a national level.
The General Conference of Sunnis, a loose-knit group of clerics and politicians, urged Iraq's Sunnis to register to vote to claim their rightful share in decisionmaking. Sunnis — the sect that held sway before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 — have been hindered, unlike the Kurds and Shiites, by their inability to agree among themselves on major national issues. Shiite parties, in contrast, are reaching out to their supporters for input on constitutional issues. More than 1,000 Shiite women recently gathered to discuss the role they want in the future Iraq.
The General Conference of Sunnis, a loose-knit group of clerics and politicians, urged Iraq's Sunnis to register to vote to claim their rightful share in decisionmaking. Sunnis — the sect that held sway before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 — have been hindered, unlike the Kurds and Shiites, by their inability to agree among themselves on major national issues. Shiite parties, in contrast, are reaching out to their supporters for input on constitutional issues. More than 1,000 Shiite women recently gathered to discuss the role they want in the future Iraq.
Why are you putting up an Iraq War strawman in a thread about China? Why do you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about the US? Why do you denigrate the other poster instead of refuting their argument?
Lumberg
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GoldenDelicious said:
Well, if I were redguru, I would start by pointing out that my nice little graph starts in 1980, not 1967, and that you're a stupid butthole for trying to bring Vietnam-era statistics to bear on a piece of evidence that starts in 1980.
But that's just me.
GoldenDelicious
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well, your link no longer works, so i cant take a look at it. repost link.redguru said:
secondly, do you expect me to accept the idea that more soldiers die during times of peace than during times of war? what exactly are you trying to say, by saying that "during non war years there are still higher death ratios per capita"
ratios? per capita?
you guys are dying and being maimed at a rate of about 2 dead and 22 wounded (wounded = legs blown off) per day. PER DAY. and you want me to say, oooh, nice graph, nice statistics, your soldiers are sooo much safer when theyre at war. come on.
to quote some unknown dude, there are lies, there are damned lies, and there are statistics. sure, you linked a page during your post, but the inclusion of those statistics doesnt make you any more correct, or your argument any more weighty, than mine (which you describe as anecdotal, which is incorrect )
it seems that i was quite clear in my statements, though since you are asking questions, then continue reading, my child, and be schooledredguru said:
when i refuted your description of iraqi combatants as 'insurgents' an instead labelled them risistors to occupation, it was to counter the presumptive language used by your government to insinuate that the interim iraqi government was legitimate, and further that the resisting iraqis were fighting against their own governemtn, rather than american/coalition invaders.
the original government of iraq was hardly elected, it was installed. prime minister alawi has longtime links with the CIA, and has been implicated in some rather shady terrorists acts himself, including a few exectutions and a truck bombing. i would hardly describe the installed, impotent, toothless puppet government headed by a person more befitting the description of terrorist than many of the abu ghraib inmates himself an elected government representative of the iraqi people, which is horrendous enough, even if it were not for the massive conflict of interest in his appointment as minister.
and the non participation of the sunnis has nothing to do with that.
is that a CNN link? CNN? please. who is shiekh mohammed? what is the name of his pharmacy? do you actually believe that news comes through the propaganda network you watch?redguru said:
and what are you trying to insinuate, that the bombings are perpetrated only by foreigners against iraqi locals, and therefore imply that true iraqis are not actively involved in the resistence?
what is your point, exactly? that iraqi nieghborhoods are forming militias to protect them against foreign bombers? you mean, the foreign bombers who wouldnt be there if it werent for the united states? you mean, militias, to take the place of the military that the de-baathification of iraq dismantled, at the behest of the united states?
well, given that french criticism to the war has arguably been the most scathing in the western world, i would think that an ambigous statement like yours above should certainly be taken in the context of that opposition and not as some quaint, historical reference to their war record (and might i add, the US has an less than exemplary war record) so perhaps, when you decide to make an obscure reference to a comparitively meaningless bit of trivia via an ambiguous statement, perhaps you SHOULD bloody well footnote it.redguru said:
really? you dont think so? lets see....the resistance in iraq is in no way diminished (i can fish around and get the article for the american 4 star general who said that, if you like, but id rather not because i cant be arsed) while military recruiting targets in the US are down by 40%, the war (which has cost about 600 billion so far) has been financed through debt, the word 'draft' has been thrown around quite a bit lately, 49% of americans do not think that the war was worth it (i can fish for that one too, if you like) and this merely 2 years into a war that rumsfield has said may go on for 12 years, indicates a bit of a problem in regards to support at home (i can draw a dotted line for your thoughts to follow to understand that one, if you like) the polish have just described their participation in the war and its justification as 'being taken for a ride', the english are pulling out of iraq, the australians are also pulling out of iraq, the japanese are kind of left with their balls hanging out because they arent carrying guns...meaning, you know, theyll likely pull out soon, the american economy is shitting itself (again), the words 'impeach' 'bush' and 'downing street memo' are in the air (finally)....how much longer do you think this war can possibly go on? the US doesnt have an exit strategy, but niether does it have a game plan, the puppet government it hoped for looks to be out of the question, with a secular religious government (with ties to iran, no less...lol) poised to take power...bud i dont really see that youre winning here....and if you know so much about guerilla warfare, (do i have to say it again?) if you arent winning, youre losing.redguru said:
redguru said:
invalid?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050718/pl_afp/uspoliticsiraq
WASHINGTON (AFP) -
Iraq rebel attacks will peak in six months and US troops can begin withdrawing in a year, retired US general Barry McCaffrey told Congress.
"January through September 2006 will be the peak period of the insurgency and the bottom rung of the new Iraq," McCaffrey told the Senate foreign relations committee.
'invalid' lol i dont think so
and given that this whole war was meant to be a 'cakewalk', when i hear 'peak in 6 months' and 'us out in a year', i read 'its going to be fucking bad for the next 6 months, but hold tight, and in a year, youll hear the next excuse as to why the US cant leave'but its nice that women are voting, isnt it?
the reason the clergy is advocating elections is because they know that if they dont, iraq will spiral into civil war, and it will be worse for everybody.
because there is overlap between this thread and the other iraq thread, and it was appropriate contextually.redguru said:
GD said:
LOL this "argument" was priceless. This is going to be fun.....
Why dont you find it.
Army. Not military. Theres more than one branch in the military. Did you know what in May of this year was the first time in TEN years that the Marines missed their recruiting goal? You said yourself the war has been going on for the past 3 years, so why not a decline back then? By the way, both the Navy and Air Force EXCEEDED its recruiting goal for both 2003 and 2004.
Using one branch as an example that encompasses all is kinda ignorant. But of course, we have come to expect nothing less.
By whom? Democrats wanting to have TV sound bites available. What a pathetic argument.
By whom? Oh yea, angry kids who dont know any better. And nice try with the Downing Street Memo. You should really read up on current events regarding that subject before you throw it out as an argument against us. Little do you know, you just scored our side a point.
You are definately the best player on our team.You retards and your "exit strategy." We dont want or need an exit strategy. We came in with a victory strategy, which despite what folks who dont know any better may think, is playing out quite well. The advancements made in Iraq over the past year alone are completely unprecedented, and something that folks such as yourself argued could never be done.
Do you know anything about Iran? If so, please detail what exactly is wrong with that country and why the US shouldnt involve itself in a positive diplomatic relationship with it.
Basically, your argument boils all down to "soldiers are dying and college kids want to impeach Bush, so therefore you are losing the war."
GoldenDelicious
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well, if i was looking at a bunch of war data during peacetime that said more soldiers were dying during times of peace than during times of war, then id be inclined to think that something smelt fishy about the data.Lumberg said:
but thats just me.
and if i were thinking about data in 1980 and the battlefield first aid available from then until the present day, as well as the advances in life support and trauma recovery over the same period, with their combined implications on combat trauma survival, particularly in the context of a marked improvement since the vietnam era, then simply imagining a graph of the likely survival rates vs chronological year from the vietnam era, through 1980, to present day, with the obvious assumption that the curve would be somewhat linear, or exponentially curved, upwards from vietnam through 2004 with 1980 at a midpoint between the two, then i would certainly think that the transition between the 1:4 and 1:11 dead:wounded ratio from vietnam to the present day would most certainly be applicable
but again, thats just me
its good to be me
GoldenDelicious
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75th, my sleeping pill is kicking in, so my fingers look funny, and im going to have to reply to you tomorrow...but first, after having read your post, i just have to say....Welcome to Earth, Spaceman! which part of the galaxy are YOU from? wow, you must travelling a looooooong time to get here!
redguru
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GoldenDelicious said:
I clicked on the link in the original article and it worked fine. It's a pdf chart, btw, provided by the US Defense Department and is required by Congressional oversight. Sorry, per 100,000. The ratio of death to per capita is 1:1 as time approaches infinity.
GoldenDelicious said:
No what I am trying to show you is that statistically the US loses as many men in training for war as we do in war. We're pretty damn good at making war. Better than anyone else on the face of this planet. We've had to be for the last 50 years, what other country would foot the bill in money and men for the Cold War?
GoldenDelicious said:
You are the one who quoted statistics without providing cites. If you are going to use statistical data in an argument, you must back it up with the data, or it is anecdotal.
GoldenDelicious said:it seems that i was quite clear in my statements, though since you are asking questions, then continue reading, my child, and be schooled
I will let your personal attack stand without comment.
GoldenDelicious said:
Ok, so Allawi is as detestable as Hussein and his sons? Tell that to the Kurds and the Shi'a. It seems the only people on record actually blaming Allawi for terrorist acts are the former government of Iraq and unnamed former agents of the CIA. But back to the here and now, he hasn't been in power since January, so the insurgents are still attacking because of him? Another strawman argument.
GoldenDelicious said:
CNN is probably more leftward leaning and is a more vocal opponent to the war than most networks in the US, excluding CBS. That is a Reuters article linked through CNN, but I suppose you think Reuters is a propaganda network for the US, as well.
GoldenDelicious said:
The implications of that quoted article is that a majority of Iraqis are not in favor of and some are standing up to your so-called resistance. Only a small faction of Sunni are the truly radical insurgency besides the foreign terrorists coming in through Syria.
GoldenDelicious said:
Would that 4-star General happen to be one of the challengers for the Democratic Party nomination in the previous Presidential election, Wesley Clark? Every single word that comes out of his mouth is skewed to the left side. He's a political animal, as he was even during the Kosovo campaigns when he was SACEUR. And again you are spouting numbers with no cited references.
The only people talking about a draft in the US are Conyers and his rabble in the minority party in the House of Representatives. In case your news is a little slow over there, the US economy isn't foundering at all, GNP projections for 2005 were just raised to 3.5% GROWTH.Reuters/LA Times
The government in Iraq is currently working on thier Constitution, due to be unveiled in August. Hold off judgement on the form of government, everything said until then is just speculation of the press. And even so, if that's the will of the Iraqi people, so be it. That's the thing about democratic governments they can work to the detriment of the people as long as they will it. Look to your own ethnic background for that.
Downing Street Memo? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, copy of a copy of a re-typed memo that only the reporter verified ever existed? I can write one on some toilet paper that would hold just as much weight.
GoldenDelicious said:invalid?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050718/pl_afp/uspoliticsiraq
WASHINGTON (AFP) -
Iraq rebel attacks will peak in six months and US troops can begin withdrawing in a year, retired US general Barry McCaffrey told Congress.
"January through September 2006 will be the peak period of the insurgency and the bottom rung of the new Iraq," McCaffrey told the Senate foreign relations committee.
'invalid' lol i dont think so
but its nice that women are voting, isnt it?
the reason the clergy is advocating elections is because they know that if they dont, iraq will spiral into civil war, and it will be worse for everybody.
because there is overlap between this thread and the other iraq thread, and it was appropriate contextually.
You do know who Barry McCaffrey is, right? He was the Drug Czar in the Clinto Administration and is a party hack. He has had no access to military strategy or intelligence for over 5 years now. Where is he getting his intelligence? Howard Dean? The last time he was in Iraq was 1991. I'm sure he doesn't want to talk about that.
GoldenDelicious said:
In every instance when an argument is presented to you that is obviously one you cannot retort, automatically you are either drunk, sleeping, or prettying yourself up.
You would command a little more respect if you just admitted that, hey, you may be wrong. I do it all the time, and Im the most respected member of this board that my mom knows.
rsnoble-im-back
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Anyone mention the aftermath? Hope you like more than just green tomatoes.
patsfan1379
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Start: China
End: Iraq
Every time.. lol...
End: Iraq
Every time.. lol...
GoldenDelicious
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what can i say, i go out a lot75th said:
and i usually pop onto EF after big nights out as i prep for sleep - and im not drunk, unless you consider under .05 BAC to be drunk, though i am very fatigued. as for the sleeping aspect, well, i love to snooze and also, you might want to consider that i am on the other side of the planet and i dont pretty myself up. i just make myself prettier
and on that note, this wednesday night at 8:55pm...im going to go make myself prettier, and go out. ill be back later
Lumberg
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GoldenDelicious said:and if i were thinking about data in 1980 and the battlefield first aid available from then until the present day, as well as the advances in life support and trauma recovery over the same period, with their combined implications on combat trauma survival, particularly in the context of a marked improvement since the vietnam era, then simply imagining a graph of the likely survival rates vs chronological year from the vietnam era, through 1980, to present day, with the obvious assumption that the curve would be somewhat linear, or exponentially curved, upwards from vietnam through 2004 with 1980 at a midpoint between the two, then i would certainly think that the transition between the 1:4 and 1:11 dead:wounded ratio from vietnam to the present day would most certainly be applicable
but again, thats just me
its good to be me
Punctuation: another area of learning that you must have skipped due to your superior intelligence.
Try using puctuation next time to, like, make sentences and stuff.
And also, the line would certainly not be linear, and, LOL, definitely not exponentially curved UPWARDS.
If anything it woudl be asymptotic, and I'd wager we're well past the point of diminishing returns.
You've met your match and then some, goldengagonmycock. Retreat.
GoldenDelicious
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punctuation is for people who need directions when they readLumberg said:
if you cant keep up, slow down and i would dispute that we are past the point of diminishing returns. rather, i would say that we are gaining momentum, and what with the establishment of pharmacogenomic technology and the emergence of proteomics (merely from a drug based point of view, let alone other technologies) i would certainly think that it would be curved upwards. the unravelling of the genome has opened the door to immortality, virtually. its easy to imagine the impact of such a thing on combat survival...though not for those who think, shall we say...linearly
and the only time i met my match tonight, i got a telephone number
cheerios
Lumberg
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GoldenDelicious said:punctuation is for people who need directions when they read
and i would dispute that we are past the point of diminishing returns. rather, i would say that we are gaining momentum, and what with the establishment of pharmacogenomic technology and the emergence of proteomics (merely from a drug based point of view, let alone other technologies) i would certainly think that it would be curved upwards. the unravelling of the genome has opened the door to immortality, virtually. its easy to imagine the impact of such a thing on combat survival...though not for those who think, shall we say...linearly
and the only time i met my match tonight, i got a telephone number
cheerios
Don't you have a nap to take, or something social to go to so you can brag about it?
Shoo!
GoldenDelicious
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just came back actuallyLumberg said:
and i dont brag, i just like to fool around. it really is a pity (and im not being sarcastic for once) that you dont see that.
AristotleBC
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bluepeter said:
You defending China, what a non-surprise
dude- did you pop those terms out of your latest time magazine... no wait, lets give you some credit... maybe nature...GoldenDelicious said:
you obviously have no clue... unravelling of the genome so far hasn't opened the door to immortality any more than Ponce de Leon did...
stop talking about shit you don't know anything about...
and if you want to argue this shit, which I am sure you obviously will... come with specific drugs, what gene they were designed to effect, and their mechanism of action and how people are now "virtually immortal" because of it... oh yeah, and post up some original research and personal insight you have into the area, and not some googled crap you wish to fillibuster with...
I am sure I or a handfull of other bros would enjoy pwning the shit out of you in this area too.
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Becoming said:
dude he's tired/drunk and he's got to get up early to go clubbin'. leave him alone
bluepeter
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AristotleBC said:
How is pointing out the fallacy of criticizing a nation for the same thing our nations are doing defending them? I'm getting rather tired of your bullshit. You can't argue any point I make so you retreat into the standard response of 'oh, you hate America'.
Get bent.
patsfan1379
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OMEGA said:
I think that is untrue.
China has a billion people... True... But unless they swim over here to invade us we can drop bombs like bird shit on them.
They have no air force, no Navy, no water travel.... Nothing.
Our technology is vastly superior. If we were in a jungle fight throwing bananas and slap fighting, sure, they would kick our ass.
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bluepeter said:
Where's your memory? We debated a fair bit in the past but in kind I'm rather tired of the unbalanced negativity towards America so instead of trying to counter your points which are ALWAYS one-sided and negative towards America I simply acknowledge it as 'more bitching from bluepeter.'
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AristotleBC said:
bluepeter in all fairness bor he is right...you do seem to have an axe to grind on every single american issue. it would be nice to see a little more unbiassedness out of your posts, it would highlight the intelligence better
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bluepeter
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Gambino said:
So your idea of being unbiased is to ignore issues. You want me to say some positive things about America? I have many times in the past, people just choose to ignore it and focus on the negative things I have to say. Much like the news media
America is a beautiful country with many wonderful people. It is a land of diversity and opportunity. I like your tax rate in some states
When it comes to government and their policies, I fire away. I do not like your government or their foreign policy. So what? I still love the country and I'm still half American. The same applies for Canada. I despise many of the policies our government implements (and bitch about them endlessly, just not on an American dominated board since it would be rather pointless) but that doesn't mean I hate my country. Give me a break.
Here's a good example. I've repeated ad nauseum on here that invading Afghanistan and the so called 'war on terror' was a great idea and good policy, to a point. I counter that with the Iraq quagmire and what I see as bullshit policy and outright lies in regards to that. What do people focus on? Oh bluepeter is sniping at us about Iraq, he hates America. If that's all people see, what the fuck do I care.
patsfan1379
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bluepeter said:So your idea of being unbiased is to ignore issues. You want me to say some positive things about America? I have many times in the past, people just choose to ignore it and focus on the negative things I have to say. Much like the news media
America is a beautiful country with many wonderful people. It is a land of diversity and opportunity. I like your tax rate in some states
When it comes to government and their policies, I fire away. I do not like your government or their foreign policy. So what? I still love the country and I'm still half American. The same applies for Canada. I despise many of the policies our government implements (and bitch about them endlessly, just not on an American dominated board since it would be rather pointless) but that doesn't mean I hate my country. Give me a break.
Here's a good example. I've repeated ad nauseum on here that invading Afghanistan and the so called 'war on terror' was a great idea and good policy, to a point. I counter that with the Iraq quagmire and what I see as bullshit policy and outright lies in regards to that. What do people focus on? Oh bluepeter is sniping at us about Iraq, he hates America. If that's all people see, what the fuck do I care.
Just curious... How old are you?
Not being a dick.
patsfan1379
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Yeah man. Not much, spent about every waking moment of the last 5 days fixing my motorcycle.
lundmaster
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Your a Fool,
We could take the entire world 3 x over and still win! We have the muscle. HOwever going to war with china would have high casualties, which the US and the Americna People are not prepared to experience again. Think Vietnam!
Lund
We could take the entire world 3 x over and still win! We have the muscle. HOwever going to war with china would have high casualties, which the US and the Americna People are not prepared to experience again. Think Vietnam!
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Spartacus
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"prettying yourself up"75th said:
ouch that hurts
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lundmaster said:
comparing the hypothetical war with china to the war in vietnam is quite foolish, if i might had...
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Spartacus
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"prep for sleep"GoldenDelicious said:what can i say, i go out a lot
and i dont pretty myself up. i just make myself prettier
and on that note, this wednesday night at 8:55pm...im going to go make myself prettier, and go out. ill be back later
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