Too soon to start again?

[thebadguy54]

I want to start another cycle in the next week or two but I'm not sure if I should because my natural test levels are still below the normal range.

Before I ever touched roids my T level was:
16.4............... Normal range is 8 - 38 nmol/L

Four weeks after the PCT of my second cycle my serum free test level was:
20.7............... Normal is 31 - 94 pmol/L

2.5 months after PCT (now) my serum free test level was only 23.

My liver, cholesterol and blood pressure are fine and the doc actually told me I'm good to go for another cycle.

BUT... should I wait until my levels are back in the normal range?

What do you guys do?

 

[jumpmaster82]

well to really give advice on that we will need a little more info. like how long have you been off, what was your last cycle, what was your pct, and how old are you.

 

[thebadguy54]

I'm 30 years old.

My 1st cycle was 10 weeks Test E @ 500mg EW.

2nd cycle was 12 weeks Test E @ 350mg EW and EQ at 400mg EW.
PCT was -
5 days after last shot: 250 iu HCG EOD for 3 weeks and 1.25 mg Letrozole ED. Then 50mg Clomid ED for about 3 weeks. That was 2.5 months ago.

Jan 1st I was going to do:
1-12 Test Enth @ 500mg EW
1-15 Liquidex @ 0.25mg ED
4-12 500iu HGC EW
8-12 Anavar @ 40mg ED
13-15 50 mgs Clomid ED
16-17 Dermacrine Sustain 5-6 pumps ED and eat Tribulus like Tic-Tacs.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Your doc said you're good to go? Hmm.

Bottom line, unless you're fully recovered another cycle will just hinder the HPTA more. If you want to ever have a fully functional sex life, stay off and do what you can to get your natty levels up. Otherwise, you might as well stay on.

 

[thebadguy54]

Your doc said you're good to go? Hmm.

My thoughts exactly. That's why I'm asking you guys.

I'll go see him again in a month and see if I'm in the normal range then.

I'll just wait for now.

 

[jumpmaster82]

ok bro. ide wait a little longer maybe instead of jan 1st make it feb 1st. but nobody knows your body better than you, so when you FEEL ready to do another cycle then do it.

 

[rghbgnbt]

Id wait til ur levels were back to normal

 

[thebadguy54]

ok bro. ide wait a little longer maybe instead of jan 1st make it feb 1st. but nobody knows your body better than you, so when you FEEL ready to do another cycle then do it.

I feel fine right now. I don't have any of the symptoms of low test.

I'll book a doctor's apt. for late Jan. and if all is well, I'll start Feb. 1st.

The only thing is, it could take a year for my test to get back in the normal range but I guess time on = time off doesn't work for everyone.

 

[Varga]

Anabolics are very tricky, you can be fine for a while but sometimes you can crush months later.
It does not seem that you fully recovered and usually doctors would not tell you to go do steroids either, very unusual

 

[needtogetaas]

Your doc said you're good to go? Hmm.

Bottom line, unless you're fully recovered another cycle will just hinder the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - more. If you want to ever have a fully functional sex life, stay off and do what you can to get your natty levels up. Otherwise, you might as well stay on.

I will 2nd this..

Remember it looks to me like you were a bit on the low side to start. You are 30 years old. What does your doc think about hrt? is that something you want?

 

[702daswoll1]

I'm 30 years old.

My 1st cycle was 10 weeks testosterone enanthate @ 500mg EW.

2nd cycle was 12 weeks Test E @ 350mg EW and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - at 400mg EW.
PCT - post cycle therapy - was -
5 days after last shot: 250 iu HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - EOD for 3 weeks and 1.25 mg Letrozole ED. Then 50mg Clomid ED for about 3 weeks. That was 2.5 months ago.

Jan 1st I was going to do:
1-12 Test testosterone enanthate @ 500mg EW
1-15 Liquidex @ 0.25mg ED
4-12 500iu HGC EW
8-12 Anavar @ 40mg ED
13-15 50 mgs Clomid ED
16-17 Dermacrine Sustain 5-6 pumps ED and eat Tribulus like Tic-Tacs.

Time out!!!!! Do not do the arimidex every day unless you want to ruin your cycle. Use that shit ONLY when needed and then sparingly those times. .25mg eod till sides clear is a good starting point.

 

[xrsist]

Time out!!!!! Do not do the arimidex every day unless you want to ruin your cycle. Use that shit ONLY when needed and then sparingly those times. .25mg eod till sides clear is a good starting point.

agreed, no need to use it unless sides start to appear

 

[thebadguy54]

Time out!!!!! Do not do the arimidex every day unless you want to ruin your cycle. Use that shit ONLY when needed and then sparingly those times. .25mg eod till sides clear is a good starting point.

Roger that.

 

[AAP]

You want to wait until your test levels are back to normal just to suppress them again??? Well alrighty then.

If you want to be "on" while waiting to recover, I would simply just use PGCL and high doses of BCAAs (4x daily) along with some creatine.

This would provide a mild "on" effect while waiting your natural levels to come back so you can choke them out again.

 

[corto]

I dont mean to change topic but how were your results on your second test/eq cycle? I am thinking about doing something very similar.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm 30 years old.

My 1st cycle was 10 weeks testosterone enanthate @ 500mg EW.

2nd cycle was 12 weeks Test E @ 350mg EW and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - at 400mg EW.
PCT - post cycle therapy - was -
5 days after last shot: 250 iu HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - EOD for 3 weeks and 1.25 mg Letrozole ED. Then 50mg Clomid ED for about 3 weeks. That was 2.5 months ago.

Agree with the others, let your levels recover AND give yourself some time after that as well. Probably not a good idea to recover then quickly jump back on.

As for why you're not recovered yet, just some thoughts... maybe you went a little overboard with the H C G. Too much H C G can be suppressive and counterproductive to recovery. Also, I would've opted for a-dex or aro-masin as the A I instead of le-tro. Finally, 3 weeks of clo-mid was probably not enough... some guys need to run 4-6 weeks to fully recover.

There's no cookie-cutter solution to P C T - it always takes trial and error (lots of it) before you figure out what works for YOU.

 

[thebadguy54]

Anabolics are very tricky, you can be fine for a while but sometimes you can crush months later.
It does not seem that you fully recovered and usually doctors would not tell you to go do steroids either, very unusual

Hey Varga, the doctor didn't tell me to "go do steroids".

When I went in to follow up on the bloodwork that I had done, he told me that my test levels were still a bit low. He then asked me if I planned on doing any cycles in the near future. I told him that I was planning on starting again in two weeks, but now that I know my T levels are still low, I was unsure. I asked him what he thought and he said "your liver and BP are fine so you can go ahead if you choose to do so".

 

[thebadguy54]

I will 2nd this..

Remember it looks to me like you were a bit on the low side to start. You are 30 years old. What does your doc think about hrt? is that something you want?

I've never talked to my doc about HRT. It is not something I want anytime soon.

I've been lifting weights for almost 15 years... and up until last year, I never touched roids. A year later, I have a small lump under my nip, low T levels, I'm talking about HRT AND I look the same as I always did. I'm starting to wonder if I'm just fucking myself up here.

 

[calyptus]

I remember a friend of mine had similar problems and did something that could be called a "recovery cycle", with aromasin, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - , and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . After the cycle everything was back to normal.
I can ask for more details if you are interested.

 

[thebadguy54]

I dont mean to change topic but how were your results on your second test/Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - cycle? I am thinking about doing something very similar.

I was pleased with the results but I had to cut the cycle short because of an injury. It was supposed to be 16 weeks test and 14 E.Q.

You should have seen the veins in my legs (especially the calves)... crazy. I didn't really gain a ton of weight but the fact that I didn't loose weight (because of the amount and type of training I was doing) was incredible.

Good luck.

 

[thebadguy54]

I remember a friend of mine had similar problems and did something that could be called a "recovery cycle", with aromasin, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - , and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - . After the cycle everything was back to normal.
I can ask for more details if you are interested.

Ya man, let me know.

 

[thebadguy54]

You want to wait until your test levels are back to normal just to suppress them again??? Well alrighty then.

I don't know? Isn't that the whole point of PCT? Maybe that's why my doc told me to just go ahead? I am recovering... my T levels are going back up (although slowly)... still, that's a good sign.

I don't know much about PG-CL... just that it is new... and expensive.

I don't know anyone who has used that.

 

[thebadguy54]

Agree with the others, let your levels recover AND give yourself some time after that as well. Probably not a good idea to recover then quickly jump back on.

As for why you're not recovered yet, just some thoughts... maybe you went a little overboard with the H C G. Too much H C G can be suppressive and counterproductive to recovery. Also, I would've opted for a-dex or aro-masin as the A I instead of le-tro. Finally, 3 weeks of clo-mid was probably not enough... some guys need to run 4-6 weeks to fully recover.

There's no cookie-cutter solution to P C T - it always takes trial and error (lots of it) before you figure out what works for YOU.

Thanks for the great PCT advice. FYI the letro was because I was trying to anihilate a small lump.

 

[Varga]

Hey Varga, the doctor didn't tell me to "go do steroids".

When I went in to follow up on the bloodwork that I had done, he told me that my test levels were still a bit low. He then asked me if I planned on doing any cycles in the near future. I told him that I was planning on starting again in two weeks, but now that I know my T levels are still low, I was unsure. I asked him what he thought and he said "your liver and BP are fine so you can go ahead if you choose to do so".

You got a cool doc then
Make sure he doesn't write any of the conversation in your folder cuz if the insurance co gets a wind of this anything can happen.....just my .02cents

 

[thebadguy54]

My doc is cool for sure. Unfortunatley he isn't the most knowledgeable person when it comes to gear... but that's what you guys are for.

I've never seen him write down anything.