Too heavy for a first cycle?

[JUICEMAN]

Never done juice before, been training for years though. Sust/500 week, Eq/375 week, for 8 weeks.
Dealer also threw in 1000 mgs Dbol for free, should I add this too, or too much for first cycle? Looking for 25-35 lbs. mass. What will be the difference in gains with or without d bol? Any help will be appreciated.

19 yo
5'9"
170
10-12 BF%

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I would go ahead and throw the D-Bol in there for the first 4-5 weeks to use it as a kick start to your cycle. 25-30mg/Day would be a good dose. If you have a good diet I think you have a chance to reach your goals. Happy Growing

M18

 

[Furious1]

I agree with mustang, but I would run the eq for another 2 weeks to help harden up the gains.

week 1-4 25 - 30mg dbol/day
week 1-8 500mg sus/week
week 1-10 300 - 400mg eq/week

And don't forget the clomid.

week 12 50mg clomid/day
week 13 - 14 25mg clomid/day

 

[serge]

throw in the dboll, it will get you going in the matter of days

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Or test alone for 4 weeeks than eq for 4 weeks.

Could you explain the reason for this ? You are obviously very knowledgable so I would like your opinion. Eq takes about 3-4 weeks to take fully affect and so do most Tests unless you are using a fast acting one such as Phenyl Prop or Prop so if you use both the Test and Eq for 4 weeks each you would be stopping them right when they are starting to really kick in. Please correct me if I miss understand what you said.

M18

 

[imprint516]

MUSTANG IM STARTING TO THINK WE ARE RUNNING THIS BOARD. LOL. HOW IS EVERYTHING GOIN MAN?.......JUICEMAN ..EAT EAT EAT KEEP PROTEIN HIGH SLEEP A LOT AND TRAIN HARD DAMMITT!!!!!!! AND YOU WILL REACH YOUR GOALS. LOOKS TO BE A VERY GOOD CYCLE.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Hey Imprint, I am doin alright, you ? I just spent my last day of the see food diet and am stuffed. Tommorow I hit the gym for chest and start dieting

M18

 

[imprint516]

IM DOING WELL. BE CAREFUL WITH THAT DIET. WATCH THE CARBS DO NOT GO TOO LOW. HOW ARE YOU PLANNING ON DIETING?

 

[ultragainz]

good cycle good luck

 

[MUSTANG_18]

MY diet looks like this
7:00am
3 scoops Whey Protein
Oatmeal
Cals=530 Fat=8.5 Protein=74 Carbs=43.5

9:30am
Designer Protein bar
Cals=260 Fat=4.5 Protein=30 Carbs=6

11:30am
Myoplex
2chicken breasts
Cals= 600 Fat= 10 Protein=98.2 Carbs= 24

2:30pm
protein shake

4:00pm
Workout
Post workout
Carb Fuel Drink
3 scoops Whey Protein
Cals=650 Fat=4.5 Protein=66 Carbs=87.5

6:00pm
1 cup rice
2 chicken breasts
Cals=525 Fat=8.4 Protein=60.2 Carbs=45

8:00pm
3 scopps Whey Protein
Cals=330 Fat=4.5 Protein=66 Carbs=7.5


10:00pm=
Same as 8:00pm

Total food intake
Cals=3220
Fat=45.4
Protein=460.4
Carbs=220
Most of te carbs come in the morning and right after my workout

M18

 

[MUSTANG_18]

WOW, thanks for the info, good read.

M18

 

[NinjaX]

bro dcs in an encyclopedia of knowledge

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Yes he is, no hard feeling s on my part DCS.

M18

 

[Bulldog_10]

Mustang.... Love that diet. It's exactly what I've been looking for! I'm gonna try it starting now. whenever I ask for a quality diet for a bulking cycle, everyone tells me to eat tuna and eggs. Honestly I hate tuna and eggs, i'm a pretty picky eater so it's been hard to find a good diet for a bulking cycle.

Right now I'm in week 3 of this cycle:
Sust 500mg/week
EQ 400mg/week
d-bol 25md/day
arimidex .25mg/day

By the way, how much $ do you spend on protein bars/shakes?????

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Bulldog_10, I spend about $400 every month CDN$ for Protein shakes, Bars and MRP's.

M18

 

[Bulldog_10]

Thats alot of cash, but I'll give it a try!

 

[ultragainz]

test alone for 4 weeeks then eq alone for 4 weeks??i dont think too many people would do that...but if you cnat get a lot then go for ti but i think eq should be no lower then 8 weeks 10-12 weeks is good test no lower then 7-8 weeks test can be for 10-12 weeks...just my .02

 

[lynaghgrew]

19?????
170 lbs??????

thought of doing some decent honest work in the gym first u lazy young fucker?

 

[Yellowbomber]

yep but with this advises he'll be 190 in 8 weeks

 

[BloodyMule]

MUSTANG, What the hell do you do for work man????
I want your job. Your alway's in here when I log in. I'm probably going to get fired from my job because of this damn board. I can't get anthing done at work cause I can't get myself to log off!!! By the way, keep doing what you do, your advise is alway's good.. peace

Mule

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I am out for summer right now so that is why I am on here so much + I don't have a girl
I work for my uncle so I have good hours and mostly work nights.

M18

 

[imprint516]

There he is....Whats up Mustang??? what you need bro is not a gf..but a sugarmoma.lol. im serious. its the best. eat sleep and train . thats it. Your protein and food is all paid for.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Supp buddy, Yeah a sugarmoma would be nice very good

M18

 

[JUICEMAN]

To lynaghrew:

If you don't have anything good to say don't post a reply you stupid brittish motherfucker.


So just because you don't have the knowlege to post intelligently, dosen't mean that you have to be an asshole!

I SHIT HARDER THAN YOU TRAIN !!!!!

 

[DEI]

Interesting opinions DCS

 

[hard]

I just think novices should begin with low dosages and small cycles. Also, they should use low amounts of testosterone, the aas with the most potnetial to cause estrogen problems (shrunken nuts, fat on the legs, gyno, extreme hpta suppression that will not respond well to post cycle recovery). .......

DCS


As a AS novice( putting together 2nd cycle now), but with 5 good years of training under my belt, what would you consider as an optimal weekly amount of cyp for a guy 6'er at 185 and hopin to crack ( and stay at) 200 by years end?

Thanks bro

Hard,

 

[uou]

that's all you dudes eat?? damn.

i thought you had to eat more than that.

 

[Scott Steinner]

I just think novices should begin with low dosages and small cycles. Also, they should use low amounts of testosterone, the aas with the most potnetial to cause estrogen problems (shrunken nuts, fat on the legs, gyno, extreme hpta suppression that will not respond well to post cycle recovery). Take the experience and then move on to a bigger cycle. THis ensures success. THis nonsense, that seems to have originated with Dan Duchaine, that you neeed to go full blast for first cycle is total horse shit! IT gets lots of guys in trouble who don't know what they are doing or how their indivdual bodies react to the steroids. It is pointig novices on the path to aas "abuse" instead of "use". Guys take huge dosages for long cycles, screw up their hpta's, get estrogne levels of pregnant horses, their boduies end up looking like shit, in desperation they try bigger cycles, sooner than they should, they become wreckless, things just get worst, before they know it they are classical textbook examples of how steroids are evil. I have seen tons of guys like this asking me for advice and help with their situations.

WISE WORDS......

 

[Nathan]

MUSTANG, What the hell do you do for work man????
I want your job. Your alway's in here when I log in. I'm probably going to get fired from my job because of this damn board. I can't get anthing done at work cause I can't get myself to log off!!! By the way, keep doing what you do, your advise is alway's good.. peace

Mule

I have the same problem as you dude. Fortunately, I only have 2 weeks or so left at this job and it's kind of a scholarship thing so I no longer really care! What sucks is that I'm not going to have as much board time during the school year.

 

[DTOX]

Never done juice before, been training for years though. Sust/500 week, Eq/375 week, for 8 weeks.
Dealer also threw in 1000 mgs Dbol for free, should I add this too, or too much for first cycle? Looking for 25-35 lbs. mass. What will be the difference in gains with or without d bol? Any help will be appreciated.

19 yo
5'9"
170
10-12 BF%

19 years old? You should wait another 5 years as your natural test is high enough. (obligatory condemnation)

With that much gear why not just do two 8 week cycles with half those doses, with 16 weeks in-between? You'll keep more muscle mass in the end instead of blowing up like the michelin man and then crying about how you only kept half of your gains.

Do you have anti-estrogen and plenty of clomid? Don't start the cycle until you do.

 

[Yellowbomber]

From my point of view your cycle is a little bit too much for a newbie.
Adding Dbols to 500mg Test + EQ for a 170 pounder?

 

[Trevdog]

The conservative points made above are well taken. However, I think furious1 pretty much hit the nail on the head with his suggestions. 500 mg. sust + 25 mg. per day of dbol + 300 mg. per week of eq. should have juiceman growing very quickly. He has a solid base of training.

Since this will be a first cycle, arimidex or at least clomid or nolvadex should be added in to prevent gynomastia.

 

[Wrongun]

To lynaghrew:

If you don't have anything good to say don't post a reply you stupid brittish motherfucker.


So just because you don't have the knowlege to post intelligently, dosen't mean that you have to be an asshole!

I SHIT HARDER THAN YOU TRAIN !!!!!

Slow down silly bollocks especially when you can't even spell British!
I thought it was quite funny and if you think about it lynaghrew has a point. This board is all about opinions so does not need you to insult a nation you fucking moron!

 

[JUICEMAN]

Bollocks???

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Man...This post has been up for a while

M18

 

[Wrongun]

Bollocks???

not suprised you don't know what they are!

maybe one day you will get some and even get to use them!

 

[bigkraut]

Yes, make sure you have an anti-e(I prefer arimidex) to prevent gyno and clomid to use post cycle to get the "boys" humming along again. Also, stop insulting our NATO allies. You're about to start an international incident!

 

[John Woe]

Did you guys miss this? This kid calls himself JUICEMAN yet he is asking advise on taking his first cycle!!! And your 19 years old bro but you say you've been training for several. I suggest you train for a few more years before you decide to do AS. Hey, change your handle too!!!!!

 

[Andy13]

Who cares what he calls himself????


And if you feel this cycle is too excessive, the dbol should be the first thing to be dropped.

Andy