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Today is the day we dropped the bizmap-bimmity on the japanese for fucking with our shiznitz....

jh1

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in 1945, showed them motherfuckers what was up...


Obviously took a terrible toll on people, but in a way you gotta mis those days when everything wasn't so PC...


People step up to your shit and try to fuck with you, they got dealt with....

Today we'll never use the nuke until it's too late and it totally weakens the value of the weapon to begin with...
 
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you're a fuckin idiot bro.

they bombed civilians. They weren't military strikes

why do you america basically rebuilt japan and helped give them all these resources to restore their country?

it was their way of saying "sorry, that was a bit over the top"
 
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calveless wonder said:
you're a fuckin idiot bro.

they bombed civilians. They weren't military strikes

we had to. they attacked us on our soil. we saw what they did to civilians in china. did we REALLY want to wait til they landed on our soil, and raped and murdered our women and grandmas too???

our reaction was swift and deadly. and it worked. the imperialist savage japanese army, that terrorized asia for centuries - massacring and torturing hundreds of thousands - was finally destroyed.

it was also our last military victory.

(funny, we've also killed 100,000 innnocent arabs. no one's crying over that.)

r
 
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calveless wonder said:
you're a fuckin idiot bro.

they bombed civilians. They weren't military strikes

why do you america basically rebuilt japan and helped give them all these resources to restore their country?

it was their way of saying "sorry, that was a bit over the top"


Don't appologize on our behalf, and most certainly don't put words in our mouths, thanks anway.

Death Tolls are always terrible price to pay for war. Many many many men lost their lives in the attacks on pearl harbor, and if we hadn't put an end to the offensive the way we did - the Japanese would have exacted a toll on our civilians far greater than we did on theirs. That's war, if you don't understand that - then you're the fucking idiot.

Now everyone knows the power we wield and they think twice about fucking with us.
 
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What was the estimate of casualties predicted for allied forces to invade Japan, something like half a million taking into account the Japanese mind set to being taken prisoner?
 
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jh1 said:
Now everyone knows the power we wield and they think twice about fucking with us.

yet, strangely enough, the world (especially the US) fears terrorists more than any others.
So who has the power?
 
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calveless wonder said:
you're a fuckin idiot bro.

they bombed civilians. They weren't military strikes

why do you america basically rebuilt japan and helped give them all these resources to restore their country?

it was their way of saying "sorry, that was a bit over the top"

well. . .ummm. . .we do that shit for everyone whose ass we kick. in fact, the u.s. is the ONLY country that unilaterally helps every motherfucker that stands around with their fucking hand out. . .there wouldn't even be a "europe" if it wasn't for the u.s.

on the flip side, we're still the only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against other human beings. . .i'm a conservative eye-for-an-eye motherfucker but, that's not really something to be proud of imho. . .
 
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blueta2 said:
yet, strangely enough, the world (especially the US) fears terrorists more than any others.
So who has the power?

we don't fear them any more than anyone else. . .we're just the only ones willing to get off our dead asses and do anything about it. . .everyone else just sits back and allows bombs to go off in their metropolitan areas and then they ask us (the US) what we're gonna do about it. . .nearly every free country on the planet has us to thank for their freedom because we stood up when no one else would and said enuff znuff. . .
 
Remember, it took two atomic bombs to force a Japanese surrender and that decision came directly from the emperor. A military coup overthrowing the emperor was almost successful. Dropping those two bombs saved countless civilian lives in Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
"In addition, the Japanese had organized the Patriotic Citizens Fighting Corps — which included all healthy men aged 15–60 and women 17–40 — to perform combat support, and ultimately combat jobs. Weapons, training, and uniforms were generally lacking: some men were armed with nothing better than muzzle-loading muskets, longbows, or bamboo spears; nevertheless, they were expected to make do with what they had.[19]"
"One mobilized high school girl, Yukiko Kasai, found herself issued an awl and told, 'Even killing one American soldier will do. … You must aim for the abdomen.'[20]

"Casualty estimates were based on the experience of the preceding campaigns, drawing different lessons:

In a study done by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in April, the figures of 7.45 casualties/1,000 man-days and 1.78 fatalities/1,000 man-days were developed. This implied that a 90-day Olympic campaign would cost 456,000 casualties, including 109,000 dead or missing. If Coronet took another 90 days, the combined cost would be 1,200,000 casualties, with 267,000 fatalities.[33]
A study done by Adm. Nimitz's staff in May estimated 49,000 casualties in the first 30 days, including 5,000 at sea.[34] A study done by General MacArthur's staff in June estimated 23,000 in the first 30 days and 125,000 after 120 days.[35] When these figures were questioned by General Marshall, MacArthur submitted a revised estimate of 105,000, in part by deducting wounded men able to return to duty.[36]
In a conference with President Truman on June 18, Marshall, taking the Battle of Luzon as the best model for Olympic, thought the Americans would suffer 31,000 casualties in the first 30 days (and ultimately 20% of Japanese casualties, which implied a total of 70,000 casualties).[37] Adm. Leahy, more impressed by the Battle of Okinawa, thought the American forces would suffer a 35% casualty rate (implying an ultimate toll of 268,000).[38] Admiral King thought that casualties in the first 30 days would fall between Luzon and Okinawa, i.e., between 31,000 and 41,000.[39]
Of these estimates, only Nimitz's included losses of the forces at sea, though kamikazes had inflicted 1.78 fatalities per kamikaze pilot in the Battle of Okinawa,[40] and troop transports off Kyūshū would have been much more exposed.

A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7 to 4 million American casualties, including 400,000 to 800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan.[1]
Outside the government, well-informed civilians were also making guesses. Kyle Palmer, war correspondent for the Los Angeles Times, said half a million to a million Americans would die by the end of the war. Herbert Hoover, in memorandums submitted to Truman and Stimson, also estimated 500,000 to 1,000,000 fatalities, and were believed to be conservative estimates; but it is not known if Hoover discussed these specific figures in his meetings with Truman. The chief of the Army Operations division thought them "entirely too high" under "our present plan of campaign."[41]

For context, the Battle of Normandy had cost 63,000 casualties in the first 48 days; and the Battle of Okinawa ran up 72,000 casualties over about 82 days, of whom 18,900 were killed or missing. Several thousand soldiers who died indirectly whether from wounds or other causes at a later date are not included. The entire war cost the United States a total of just over a million casualties, with 400,000 fatalities.

Nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals were manufactured in anticipation of the casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan. To the present date, all the American military casualties of the sixty years following the end of World War II — including the Korean and Vietnam Wars — have not exceeded that number. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock.[42] There are so many in surplus that combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan are able to keep Purple Hearts on-hand for immediate award to wounded soldiers on the field.[42]"
 
Targeting civilians was nothing new for any side in the war..... Dresden, London, Nanjing...

The use of napalm against Tokyo .....
"After 2 hours of bombardment, Tokyo was engulfed in a firestorm. The fires were so hot they would ignite the clothing on individuals as they were fleeing. Many women were wearing what were called 'air-raid turbans' around their heads, and the heat would ignite those turbans like a wick on a candle. This was the worst disaster for Tokyo since the 1923 earthquake. The death toll was at least 80,000, and perhaps exceeded 100,000. This may have been the most devastating single raid ever carried out by aircraft in any war including the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, and the firebombing of Dresden."(Richard B. Frank, Downfall, p. 17–18.)
 
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calveless wonder said:
you're a fuckin idiot bro.

they bombed civilians. They weren't military strikes

why do you america basically rebuilt japan and helped give them all these resources to restore their country?

it was their way of saying "sorry, that was a bit over the top"


ended the war fast - no US casualties. All that needs to be said.

Even the Japanese in retrospect would tell you it was the right thing for the US to do.
 
1. We knew pearl harbor was coming. It's a good way to get the pop. behind you.
2. They would have surrendered if we had been more flexible with the treatment of the emperor, who's god like to them. We'd only go for an unconditional surrender.
3. Peal harbor, military target. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, strictly civilian.

It's one of the more pathetic chapters of American history.
 
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digimon7068 said:
we don't fear them any more than anyone else. . .we're just the only ones willing to get off our dead asses and do anything about it. . .everyone else just sits back and allows bombs to go off in their metropolitan areas and then they ask us (the US) what we're gonna do about it. . .nearly every free country on the planet has us to thank for their freedom because we stood up when no one else would and said enuff znuff. . .



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jestro said:
1. We knew pearl harbor was coming. It's a good way to get the pop. behind you.
2. They would have surrendered if we had been more flexible with the treatment of the emperor, who's god like to them. We'd only go for an unconditional surrender.
3. Peal harbor, military target. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, strictly civilian.

It's one of the more pathetic chapters of American history.


Please....

As was mentioned they even were given a clear chance to surrender after the first bomb...

They were in no position to be giving any conditions and as was also mentioned we took care of them afte teh fact, it not like we went in and took over the country for our own territory...

That 'dove' attitude just doesn't work in the real world...
 
blueta2 said:
Americans must have a lot of sore shoulders always patting themselves on the back.......ugh!

that's the thing. . .most of us don't even broach the subject until it's thrown in our faces. . .most of us see helping others as our duty. . .we don't do it for the accolades. . .we do it cause it's right :whatever:
 
digimon7068 said:
that's the thing. . .most of us don't even broach the subject until it's thrown in our faces. . .most of us see helping others as our duty. . .we don't do it for the accolades. . .we do it cause it's right :whatever:

oh come on......the american ppl are always claiming how great they are and how they save the world (like you just did). You're perhaps not looking for accolades, but you sure as heck are high on the horse (you = Americans)

And I do not believe the American government offers help just b/c it's "right", they do it for power and greed ie: helping those in Iraq who are poor defensless creatures...puhleeeze, the US is there to protect their interest in oil, plain and simple.
 
blueta2 said:
oh come on......the american ppl are always claiming how great they are and how they save the world (like you just did). You're perhaps not looking for accolades, but you sure as heck are high on the horse (you = Americans)

And I do not believe the American government offers help just b/c it's "right", they do it for power and greed ie: helping those in Iraq who are poor defensless creatures...puhleeeze, the US is there to protect their interest in oil, plain and simple.

are you as turned on as me right now?? :qt:
 
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jestro said:
1. We knew pearl harbor was coming. It's a good way to get the pop. behind you.
2. They would have surrendered if we had been more flexible with the treatment of the emperor, who's god like to them. We'd only go for an unconditional surrender.
3. Peal harbor, military target. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, strictly civilian.

It's one of the more pathetic chapters of American history.
"During World War II, the Second Army and Chugoku Regional Army were headquartered in Hiroshima. The city also had large depots of military supplies, and was a key center for shipping." (United States Strategic Bombing Survey (June 1946). U. S. Strategic Bombing Survey: The Effects of the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. nuclearfiles.org. )

The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.
 
jh1 said:
in 1945, showed them motherfuckers what was up...


Obviously took a terrible toll on people, but in a way you gotta mis those days when everything wasn't so PC...


People step up to your shit and try to fuck with you, they got dealt with....

Today we'll never use the nuke until it's too late and it totally weakens the value of the weapon to begin with...
LMAO @ skinny suburban white boys trying to talk black and be "cool".
 
rnch said:
LMAO @ skinny suburban white boys trying to talk black and be "cool".
LMAO @ pudgy suburband older white boys trying to be all gaye and young and hip
 
dood, i gave up on being "young and hip" a long time ago.

by the time i found out "where it's at" it was already long gone.....:worried:
 
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jh1 said:
Don't appologize on our behalf, and most certainly don't put words in our mouths, thanks anway.

Death Tolls are always terrible price to pay for war. Many many many men lost their lives in the attacks on pearl harbor, and if we hadn't put an end to the offensive the way we did - the Japanese would have exacted a toll on our civilians far greater than we did on theirs. That's war, if you don't understand that - then you're the fucking idiot.

Now everyone knows the power we wield and they think twice about fucking with us.

lol, i guess this is what a 10th grade education gets you. might want to go back to school before you start debating history, homey.


java is very correct though. The emperor had an opportunity to surrender a few times and was completely stubborn. He had rather see his country be completely destroyed than give up.
 
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calveless wonder said:
lol, i guess this is what a 10th grade education gets you. might want to go back to school before you start debating history, homey.


java is very correct though. The emperor had an opportunity to surrender a few times and was completely stubborn. He had rather see his country be completely destroyed than give up.



Nice stab at my educational choices....

I was way beyond my classmates...
 
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jh1 said:
Nice stab at my educational choices....

I was way beyond my classmates...

i don't doubt it. i'm sure you're alot more successful than them.

i didn't last much longer than you(couple of years of college) so i'm not going there. school wasn't for me either

but history is definetely something that's often learned through formal education, and your facts are way off base, my nig. i'm lucky my brother has a masters in history, he always schooled me on historical shit
 
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calveless wonder said:
i don't doubt it. i'm sure you're alot more successful than them.

i didn't last much longer than you(couple of years of college) so i'm not going there. school wasn't for me either

but history is definetely something that's often learned through formal education, and your facts are way off base, my nig. i'm lucky my brother has a masters in history, he always schooled me on historical shit

how are his facts not correct? i have a degree in history and i can't see anything factually wrong with jh1's posts
did jh drop outta high school?
 
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calveless wonder said:
i don't doubt it. i'm sure you're alot more successful than them.

i didn't last much longer than you(couple of years of college) so i'm not going there. school wasn't for me either

but history is definetely something that's often learned through formal education, and your facts are way off base, my nig. i'm lucky my brother has a masters in history, he always schooled me on historical shit



Uh... how are my facts wrong?


Java is most certainly more learned than I when it comes to history - and is a fucking exceptional copy paster of the web - but nothing he says disputes the info I have provided.

What have I said that you beleive to be not only incorrect - but 'WAY OFF BASE'????
 
the_clockwork said:
If i had a dollar for every cock I've sucked...



I'd be fucking broke as a joke.

Gambino - Yeah.. I wanted to drop out in the 3rd grade. I asked my dad if I could, I was quite serious.
 
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jh1 said:
Uh... how are my facts wrong?


Java is most certainly more learned than I when it comes to history - and is a fucking exceptional copy paster of the web - but nothing he says disputes the info I have provided.

What have I said that you beleive to be not only incorrect - but 'WAY OFF BASE'????
I had to take a class, because I was in the honors program, called "The Historians Craft." Basically, it was about looking at history objectively based on the times. Honestly, I hate to repost but this video is very poignant about the feelings of Americans toward the Japanese and my father as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-idSRLjg9A


FYI, if dropping the bombs saved my father's life and allowed me to be born then how could I not support it???
 
Pearl Harbor Attack
"Imperial Japanese military leaders appear to have had mixed feelings about the attack. Fleet Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto was unhappy about the botched timing of the breaking off of negotiations. He is rumored to have said, 'I fear all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with terrible resolve'. Even though this quote is unsubstantiated, the phrase seems to describe his feelings about the situation. He is on record as having said, in the previous year, that 'I can run wild for six months ... after that, I have no expectation of success.'

"Yamamoto had said, regarding the imminent war with the United States, 'Should hostilities once break out between Japan and the United States, it is not enough that we take Guam and the Philippines, nor even Hawaii and San Francisco. We would have to march into Washington and sign the treaty in the White House. I wonder if our politicians (who speak so lightly of a Japanese-American war) have confidence as to the outcome and are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices?'"

Isoroku Yamamoto to Shigeharu Matsumoto (Japanese cabinet minister) and Fumimaro Kondoye (Japanese prime minister), quoted in Ronald Spector, Eagle Against the Sun: The American War With Japan (Vintage, 1985).
^National Geographic mini-biography of Isoroku Yamamoto
 
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jh1 said:
I'd be fucking broke as a joke.

Gambino - Yeah.. I wanted to drop out in the 3rd grade. I asked my dad if I could, I was quite serious.
You don't need an education to be in sales....he should have let you drop out. :)
 
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javaguru said:
You don't need an education to be in sales....he should have let you drop out. :)



I'm the technical side of sales... I go in and demonstrate why our solution is better than everyone elses. It's not like I sell copy paper.
 
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jh1 said:
I'm the technical side of sales... I go in and demonstrate why our solution is better than everyone elses. It's not like I sell copy paper.
Nothing you couldn't have been taught in a two week intensive course by the company.....it's not like you actually have to be able to read or write...it's all social interaction. :)
 
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javaguru said:
Nothing you couldn't have been taught in a two week intensive course by the company.....it's not like you actually have to be able to read or write...it's all social interaction. :)


Something like that, but I think it's more like I teach the company.
 
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jh1 said:
Something like that, but I think it's more like I manipulate the company.
Fixed for ya...my best friend hate sit when I point out that's what he does for a living... :)
 
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calveless wonder said:
you're a fuckin idiot bro.

they bombed civilians. They weren't military strikes

why do you america basically rebuilt japan and helped give them all these resources to restore their country?

it was their way of saying "sorry, that was a bit over the top"

Not too bright nor much of a military historian are you???
 
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calveless wonder said:
you're a fuckin idiot bro.

they bombed civilians. They weren't military strikes

why do you america basically rebuilt japan and helped give them all these resources to restore their country?

it was their way of saying "sorry, that was a bit over the top"
we built them back up so they would be a ally and asian powerhouse
 
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Gambino said:
we built them back up so they would be a ally and asian powerhouse
For the same reason we rebuilt Europe...can't have them becoming communist. Another reason we took over for the French in Indochina....
 
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digimon7068 said:
well. . .ummm. . .we do that shit for everyone whose ass we kick. in fact, the u.s. is the ONLY country that unilaterally helps every motherfucker that stands around with their fucking hand out. . .there wouldn't even be a "europe" if it wasn't for the u.s.

. . .
except vietnam
only recently has vietnam started to prosper
because we "lost" they lost
 
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Spartacus said:
except vietnam
only recently has vietnam started to prosper
because we "lost" they lost



Yeah they were communist... we aren't gonna pump money into that....

Like Cuba, we'll do anything to keep their economy from being anything but dog shit....
 
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jh1 said:
Yeah they were communist... we aren't gonna pump money into that....

Like Cuba, we'll do anything to keep their economy from being anything but dog shit....

Cuba is feeling our wrath cuz Castro won't play w/us. We couldn't give a shit about his human rights.

If he turned around tomorrow and decided to be our friends, w/o making one change in freedoms - Bush would hug and kiss him.

That and Cuba doezn' have oil. They don't have anything we need.

r
 
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Razorguns said:
Cuba is feeling our wrath cuz Castro won't play w/us. We couldn't give a shit about his human rights.

If he turned around tomorrow and decided to be our friends, w/o making one change in freedoms - Bush would hug and kiss him.

That and Cuba doezn' have oil. They don't have anything we need.

r
You must not smoke cigars...:)
 
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Razorguns said:
Cuba is feeling our wrath cuz Castro won't play w/us. We couldn't give a shit about his human rights.

If he turned around tomorrow and decided to be our friends, w/o making one change in freedoms - Bush would hug and kiss him.

That and Cuba doezn' have oil. They don't have anything we need.r

you have obviously not seen this presentation. Very compelling.

ok - fixed click on download link after the site comes up

http://files-upload.com/426879/CubanSisters1.pps.html
 
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calveless wonder said:
you're a fuckin idiot bro.

they bombed civilians. They weren't military strikes

why do you america basically rebuilt japan and helped give them all these resources to restore their country?

it was their way of saying "sorry, that was a bit over the top"

It was normal back then. Carpet bombings and firebombing were the way to carry out those missions. The Tokyo bombing is a perfecxt example and took more lives than Hiroshima or Nagasaki. That was the price to pay for their own mistakes. Do you think japanese cared about civilians ?

BuriedAlive.jpg
 
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manny78 said:
It was normal back then. Carpet bombings and firebombing were the way to carry out those missions. The Tokyo bombing is a perfecxt example and took more lives than Hiroshima or Nagasaki. That was the price to pay for their own mistakes. Do you think japanese cared about civilians ?

BuriedAlive.jpg
To this day Japan claims only a few thousand civilians died in "The Rape of Nanking."
 
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