Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below O.k. I`ve seen this question before, but no real answer. I want to know or have better idea about steroid use in the powerlifting world. To make it easy, am I ever going to see 600-700 on the bench or 900- 1000 on the squat naturally. I hate shooting for a goal I`ll never reach.
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IrishPower
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the way you phrase your question is offensive.
you should have phrased it
"...am I ever going to see 600-700 on the bench or 900- 1000 on the squat"
If you think taking steroids is the magic bullet that will get you this, the answer for you my friend is a resounding no.
you should have phrased it
"...am I ever going to see 600-700 on the bench or 900- 1000 on the squat"
If you think taking steroids is the magic bullet that will get you this, the answer for you my friend is a resounding no.
benchmonster
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I agree with Irish. If you really want to know the answer to this question, and it definately is a legitimate question, then there are better ways to ask it.
Twitched asked a similar question, but in a much better way when he started posting here, and got much better answers because he was not accusatory with the question.
That being said. It depends. If you are naturally five foot ten, and 300ish, and can run a 40 in under 5 seconds, then you are naturally extremely fast and strong, and sure, you can get to those types of numbers clean, no doubt about it.
However, if you are under 200 lbs as you ask this question, and especially if you are not especially naturally athletic then the answer is that you may ever get there no matter what you take.
But I don't know of anyone personally who has hit the kind of numbers you have asked about clean.
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Twitched asked a similar question, but in a much better way when he started posting here, and got much better answers because he was not accusatory with the question.
That being said. It depends. If you are naturally five foot ten, and 300ish, and can run a 40 in under 5 seconds, then you are naturally extremely fast and strong, and sure, you can get to those types of numbers clean, no doubt about it.
However, if you are under 200 lbs as you ask this question, and especially if you are not especially naturally athletic then the answer is that you may ever get there no matter what you take.
But I don't know of anyone personally who has hit the kind of numbers you have asked about clean.
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benchmonster
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I understand. It is a tough thing to try and figure out because unless you really know people well, and usually are using too, then nobody who really knows the skinny about such things is going to talk to you about it.
I don't think it is fair for people to go around thinking that they can do certain things whether it be a 600 bench or becoming an IFBB pro clean when such things are not possible.
If you weigh 220 to 242, and are naturally talented, then I don't think it would be out of reach to bench 500 and maybe squat 700 to 800. But 600, and 900 are out of reach, IMO, even to someone very talented.
That being said, there are a ton of people out there who could probably juice for 10 years and never bench 500. Like footspeed or jumping ability, it takes some natural ability. I think that powerlifting type strength can be built on far far more than can footspeed or jumping ability, but being built for a particualar lift, and having a high number of fast twitch muscle fibers makes a big difference too.
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I don't think it is fair for people to go around thinking that they can do certain things whether it be a 600 bench or becoming an IFBB pro clean when such things are not possible.
If you weigh 220 to 242, and are naturally talented, then I don't think it would be out of reach to bench 500 and maybe squat 700 to 800. But 600, and 900 are out of reach, IMO, even to someone very talented.
That being said, there are a ton of people out there who could probably juice for 10 years and never bench 500. Like footspeed or jumping ability, it takes some natural ability. I think that powerlifting type strength can be built on far far more than can footspeed or jumping ability, but being built for a particualar lift, and having a high number of fast twitch muscle fibers makes a big difference too.
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OlympicLifter17
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Collins "PoohBear" Rhoads... 275 over 600lb bench press.. USAPL tested
Some say Kirk was using when he squatted 1,003 and some say he wasnt.. u be the judge.. he also squatted it in the USAPL
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Some say Kirk was using when he squatted 1,003 and some say he wasnt.. u be the judge.. he also squatted it in the USAPL
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IrishPower
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hey willy,
the bmonster was prolific in his answers. i agree. any offense i took is rescinded.
I have to ask you though. Why do those particular numbers mean so much to you? if you are focused on remaining drug free, just shoot for consistent steady gains, seek out competitions with a semi-level playing field, and be happy with what you can achieve.
I guarantee you can become stronger than you are at this very moment without using juice.
/irish
the bmonster was prolific in his answers. i agree. any offense i took is rescinded.
I have to ask you though. Why do those particular numbers mean so much to you? if you are focused on remaining drug free, just shoot for consistent steady gains, seek out competitions with a semi-level playing field, and be happy with what you can achieve.
I guarantee you can become stronger than you are at this very moment without using juice.
/irish
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Irishpower
When I started lifting at 13 I thought that the bodybuilders of the day just lifted weights. Well I think that we all know that the majority of them do alot more than that. So now I`m lookin at these guys of the big numbers, the powerlifters, and thought that maybe it`s achievable because they never cut up for shows.
Just curious really, thank everybody for the replies and not the
flames.
When I started lifting at 13 I thought that the bodybuilders of the day just lifted weights. Well I think that we all know that the majority of them do alot more than that. So now I`m lookin at these guys of the big numbers, the powerlifters, and thought that maybe it`s achievable because they never cut up for shows.
Just curious really, thank everybody for the replies and not the
flames.
rebelflagkisser
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yes, those numbers will be possible: but you'll have to wait 10 to 20 years when technology catches up and a bench shirt and squat suit will be on the market that routinely gives the lifter 200 to 400 pounds on their RAW maxes ...but then you still won't be able to compete with those hormone manipulators, I'm afraid.
benchmonster
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OlympicLifter17 said:
Olympic,
I don't know you, and I am not trying to insult you at all, but because someone was claimed to be tested, or even actually tested, and even if I supervised the test personally, doesn't mean a damn thing.
Think about this one for a second. Anadrol is an extremely anabolic, insanely powerful steroid. It has a half life of 12 hours per pill. It becomes toxic to most users if they use it over 3 or 4 weeks, but many report 50 to 100 lb lift increases, and 20 to 30 lb bodyweight increases in that short amount of time.
Well, that 12 hour half life means that it gets to work really fast, but gets out of the system pretty quick too. Think about it.
Human Growth Hormone is a fat stripper, and strength and mass builder extroidanaire. And there is currently no test out there that can pick it up. A true steroid test costs $1,000.00 I got that info from my brother who is head of the billing department at a hospital. Ratio tests are extremely common cause they are cheap, and they are extremely easy to beat by many methods.
Given this breif little glimpse, I think it should be apparent that even though a person lifts in the pristine USAPL, does not mean that person was or is clean.
Also, Iron Bear was way way in excess of 300 lbs bodyweight when he did that lift. He did a 1.7 times bodyweight bench. That is something you need to take into consideration too. Kenny Patterson, and George Halbert both open with triple bodyweight benches, or higher.
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OlympicLifter17
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Yes...But.. i do know good friends of Poohs and people who have also trained with him that i trust in their words. He is good guy and natural. As for Kirk iam not sure. I know u can beat the system with drugs its common. Dont get me wrong i respect those like louie and them b/c they admit to the use of drugs.. but those who dont i dont have much respect for.
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Arioch
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Based on what I know I would actually give the nod to Rhodes as being clean. Do not know enough one way or the other to comment on KK, except to say that he is seriously strong.
The best case senario would be to train as hard and intelligently as you possibly could, and juice as little as possible, using only short acting forms of AAS to break through sticking points in your training, if you ever do decide to go the juice route.
The best case senario would be to train as hard and intelligently as you possibly could, and juice as little as possible, using only short acting forms of AAS to break through sticking points in your training, if you ever do decide to go the juice route.
Think about this...
Does the gear make the lifters able to put up huge numbers...or are the best lifters who are putting up big number use the gear?
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Does the gear make the lifters able to put up huge numbers...or are the best lifters who are putting up big number use the gear?
B True
Yesterday, I stumbled onto this guy's site.
http://strongerman.com/index.html
His name is Bud Jeffries and he claims to squat 900lb raw and lifetime drug free. What's more, he challenges anybody to test him at any time, as long as they pay for the test. Has anybody heard of him?
http://strongerman.com/index.html
His name is Bud Jeffries and he claims to squat 900lb raw and lifetime drug free. What's more, he challenges anybody to test him at any time, as long as they pay for the test. Has anybody heard of him?
PopeyePower
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The mispercetions about AAS and athletic performance in society are incredible. I am new to posting here, but I am no stranger to strength training and athletics. After reading this post and reading all of the responses I could not agree more with what everyone had to say, I especially liked B Fold's reply. So, I am going to take a stab at this too.....I will use Major League Baseball as an example....it takes natural talent to excell at an elite level.....steroids are not a magic potion that will transform Joe Average into one of the best.....The guys who are all stars have all star potential from the time they're born, they work all their life and hone those skills and when they get to the top they are competing against guys of equal ability, somewhere along the line somebody at that level decided to try and be the best of the best, so he took AAS, then somebody else wanted to compete with his numbers, so he used, and so on and so on until the only way to have a level playing field is to use....but what people seem to forget is that all the drugs in the world won't make mediocre athletes great, or even good for that matter....they will, however, give an already great athlete that little extra edge that he may need.....The guys in MLB hitting 60 plus home runs a year would still be hitting 40-50 without drugs.....also look at IFBB Pros and world class lifters....they use gear, they probably are stronger than any MLB player....but I doubt most of them could hit a baseball otu of a big league park in a game situation when you have no idea what pitch is being thrown at you because they do not have the talent and they have not built their skills and practiced the game......So, for the posted question I would have to say that your 600+ benchers and 900+ squatters are naturally strong guys with a good body structure to perform those lifts and a strong work ethic and an intelligent training approach who reached a certain level naturally, realized they had something special to be the best and decided to use drugs to enable them to compete with people with the same natural ability and work ethic who had the asistance of drugs.....I hope this made sense and I got my point across.....to sum it up, I will say something i have said for years...."You can give a Poodle and a Pit Bull the same amount of roids, but you know what? The Pit Bull is always gonna be stronger". The most important aspects to performance are genetics, work ethic, and knowlegde. If you have those three on a world class level, then drugs will allow you to be one of the greats....but if any of those three are lacking you can forget about it, juice till your heart's content, you'll never be one of the best, and that is a fact that 90% of the population has to realize.
BigArnie said:
I know of him. He claims to be the strongest man alive or something... Says he can do a partial squat (he can) with a ton of weight. It doesn't matter what you do in the gym though...the only thing that matters is what you do on the platform...
As long as he competes in these small time contests...he will do great.
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powerlifterjay
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Welcome Popeye,
Arnie and B fold Bud Jefferies lives here in my home town. He is strong as hell. To what extent i am nto sure. I talked to him in May and he told me he wants to squat 1000lbs raw. He isalready over 900. His bench is about 545 or so, and his deadlift is over 700. All raw.
I watched him do a yoke walk? I think thats what it is. He used 1000lbs and walked the length of a stage. Did over head reps with 300plus for several reps. Anyway not saying he is the strongest but he is strong and he is in my home town. Lots of power in my home town! Did i mention James Henderson lives here too. So does Gene Bell. What can i say , it must be the water!!
Arnie and B fold Bud Jefferies lives here in my home town. He is strong as hell. To what extent i am nto sure. I talked to him in May and he told me he wants to squat 1000lbs raw. He isalready over 900. His bench is about 545 or so, and his deadlift is over 700. All raw.
I watched him do a yoke walk? I think thats what it is. He used 1000lbs and walked the length of a stage. Did over head reps with 300plus for several reps. Anyway not saying he is the strongest but he is strong and he is in my home town. Lots of power in my home town! Did i mention James Henderson lives here too. So does Gene Bell. What can i say , it must be the water!!
In a contest a couple weeks ago...here are his results...
Incline Press with a Thick bar, max weight, 3 attempts
Deadlift Hold for time with 265 farmers
Partial Squat, 7" range of motion, max weight, 3 attempts
Loading 5 objects to platfoms for time
Bud Jeffries (HW)
Incline Axle Press 350lbs
Partial Squat 800lbs
Deadlift hold 16sec
Carry N Drag 2:31.44
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I am NOT taking anything away from him...at all.
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Incline Press with a Thick bar, max weight, 3 attempts
Deadlift Hold for time with 265 farmers
Partial Squat, 7" range of motion, max weight, 3 attempts
Loading 5 objects to platfoms for time
Bud Jeffries (HW)
Incline Axle Press 350lbs
Partial Squat 800lbs
Deadlift hold 16sec
Carry N Drag 2:31.44
Loading 39.97
I am NOT taking anything away from him...at all.
B True
