To MR NELSON MONTANA

[Krazykat]

Anti-estrogens are necessary for SOME.

On advice given by people including yourself, I took d-bol with no anti-estrogens at very low dosages for very short periods of time and got some gyno problems.

Ok very short time = couple of weeks max total. I messed around with piddly amounts for a few days to see what would happen, stopped coz my heart and blood pressure were too high. So first time it was 10mg for a couple of days, then 15, 20, 25, stopped. Then tried just 10mg but stopped when I reckoned 10mg wasent enough! Then was going to start low at 10mg go up to 20mg, started without nolvadex. Was going to take it at 20mg upwards, since I bought into the ideas of some estrogen is good.
Praise of estrogen must be put into the context of who cares if you get gyno.

Deca and d-bol can cause gyno in a very short period of time with very low dosages. I like a lot of the things you say Nelson, but it is irresponsible to tell people to completly avoid anti-estrogens.

Some can develop gyno in days of using say 10-20mg of d-bol let alone 3 weeks. I really feel this part of your philosophy needs to be changed.

 

[anabolicmd]

On advice given by people including yourself, I took d-bol with no anti-estrogens at very low dosages for very short periods of time and got some gyno problems.

A) Post a pic
B) Mr. Montana does not reply to antagonistic posts.

 

[mattyesco]

everybody and everyones bodys are different. you should have had some anti e's on hand just in case, expect the worst and be prepared.

 

[bigp3]

25 mg of dbol gave me gyno,,, ant-e's are always included in my routines

 

[Big BX]

Never start a cycle without Nolvadex and clomid. You never know know when you can get gyno.

 

[drgoodbody]

This is such a shame as it could have been totally prevented even with some cheap ass clomid.

Damn, newbies make sure you do your homework.

DrG

 

[SofaGeorge]

I don't use anti-E's any more. I've been juicing for 20 years and have never gotten gyno. I do cycles of 2 grams test a week with 50 mg d-bol a day and I don't see a sign of gyno.

 

[Zyglamail]

Anyone who blindly follows the advice of just one person without doing adequate research and weighing all variables will undobtedly run into problems. With all the advice floating around I would ahave figured if someone was going to try a cycle of anything and NOT take any anti-e's that they would at least have some on hand.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: Re: To MR NELSON MONTANA

A) Post a pic
B) Mr. Montana does not reply to antagonistic posts.

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How is this an antagonistic post? Or are you referring to my respose on another thread to the stalking troll Juice Athority? He wote a belligerant, baiting PM and then asked for advice! No. I will not dignify that behaviour with a responce.

Okay, Krazy Kat. It seems you fell victim to partial information. I never said anti-e's are NEVER necessary. First of all, most of my remarks specifically concern Clomid. And yes, most ant-e's are overused and often nneccesary but you have to know how to do things. You can't just can't take a piece of information, misconstrue it, and then blame me when things go wrong. (Which incidentally,I believe Juice authority is planning on doing wheter it works or not). Did you read the entire chapter in Bottom Line Bodybuilding on this?

Some people are very suseptable to gyno. You seem to be one of the unfortunate few. If you got gyno from 25 mgs of d-bol, you'll get gyno from jus about anything except Primo and var, which you should be taking anway if you're just starting out. As a matter of fact, there's a good chance it wasn't even real d-bol. Most of what is being passed for d-bol today is methyl test, which is a one was ticket to tittyville.

As mentioned in the book, as soon as there were any symptoms at all, you should have taken proviron. That would have done the trick. Now it may be too late. If you can get some nolva, do so.

This is unfortunate, but it is not due to my advice. It's simply doing things the wrong way.

 

[Krazykat]

Well maybe Montana, I do respect you. But to be honest and as you probably suspect I haven`t read your book since I have no credit card and live in the UK! But I have read a lot of your articles, and posts.

I reckon it is real d-bol, I bought it from a pharmacy in Bangkok Thailand and the brand`s company has a website. Its called Dronbabol.

Proviron? I have heard that by most that doesn`t do anything.