to all the kids on here

[alltraps]

DONT DO DRUGS!!!!

if you;re under 25 and have not been lifting seriously for at least 3-5 years naturaly, DONT DO DRUGS.
all you guys that are 18 posting about running your first cycle, stop and think before you do. at your age, your natural hormones are raging and you can get phenomenal gains without juice. try it and you'll see.

i really think the probem is that juice is too readily avaliable these days. through the internet and loser dealers at gyms, kids that have no business doing this shit are doing it. when i was younger, even if i wanted to do it, i couldnt get it. which is was good as i learned about proper training and diet prior to ever tryin it.

bottom line to this story:

DONT DO DRUGS KIDS!!!!

 

[ricorico]

just say no.....hehe

 

[karachi183]

DONT DO DRUGS!!!!

if you;re under 25 and have not been lifting seriously for at least 3-5 years naturaly, DONT DO DRUGS.
all you guys that are 18 posting about running your first cycle, stop and think before you do. at your age, your natural hormones are raging and you can get phenomenal gains without juice. try it and you'll see.

i really think the probem is that juice is too readily avaliable these days. through the internet and loser dealers at gyms, kids that have no business doing this shit are doing it. when i was younger, even if i wanted to do it, i couldnt get it. which is was good as i learned about proper training and diet prior to ever tryin it.

bottom line to this story:

DONT DO DRUGS KIDS!!!!

Like i said in another thread i came on this board a few years back and was told the same thing when i honestly answered about my lifting history and stats. And only now do i feel like i'm ready but i've been noticing gains for the past few months and still have no reason to start what i got. So in short i'm still waiting to stop growing and that should be the main factor when a new guy starts. Because they simply can't grow anymore!!!!

alltraps!
good post

 

[landser]

This is good advice but....no kid is going to listen...the same as no drug addict would listen nancy regans "just say no" bullshit. I completely agree with you that you shouldnt use at a young age, but we all know that kids are seriously stubborn.

 

[shape]

This is good advice but....no kid is going to listen...the same as no drug addict would listen nancy regans "just say no" bullshit. I completely agree with you that you shouldnt use at a young age, but we all know that kids are seriously stubborn.

this is exactly why i made a suggestion to screen ages via credit card #'s etc and make a minimum age requirement-at least for the anabolic board

 

[boyer]

this is exactly why i made a suggestion to screen ages via credit card #'s etc and make a minimum age requirement-at least for the anabolic board

Why so kids will go ahead and do steroids anyhow, with less information.

 

[alltraps]

Why so kids will go ahead and do steroids anyhow, with less information.

because they can!! why bother eating right and training properly, when all you have to do it shoot some test and turn pro in 6 months

 

[buffalo]

Why so kids will go ahead and do steroids anyhow, with less information.

But if they can't get on the boards it will make it alot harder to get stuff. I understand though that somebody will allway's be willing to sell to someone that's to young.

 

[alltraps]

Why so kids will go ahead and do steroids anyhow, with less information.

u think they listen to what we say here? NO, thats why a kid on here is going to do dbol for 8 weeks at 40mg a day for his first cycle. and hes 18. i bet hes put in a good few weeks of hard training so hes ready for the juice!

 

[shape]

Why so kids will go ahead and do steroids anyhow, with less information.

no-because them coming on the board seeing cycles done by guys with years and years of experience and knowledge and then thinking that is what they can and should do is ridiculous----

you cannot see the logic in that???????

 

[DieselGunz]

Bump for a great post, i see so many kids look like shit and be all fucked up because A) they were too young

B) had no idea what the hell they are doing

I am not a know it all on this sight but I have learned alot from quality posts i have read on here. i am clean and i am doing my first cycle starting Sunday. I am 27 and have been lifting for about 7 years now. i researched my cycle for over 3 months before deciding.

i talked to a friend the other day, the kid is 23 and has been on numerous cycles. We started talking about AAS and I mentioned PCT and he had NO IDEA what it was!

Wow 4 to 5 cycles and no PCT then he wonders why I am bigger and stronger than him.

 

[Redshoteye]

Good post this should be a sticky. I'm 20 and you don't know how hard it is to hold back!!!!

 

[shape]

Bump for a great post, i see so many kids look like shit and be all fucked up because A) they were too young

B) had no idea what the hell they are doing

I am not a know it all on this sight but I have learned alot from quality posts i have read on here. i am clean and i am doing my first cycle starting Sunday. I am 27 and have been lifting for about 7 years now. i researched my cycle for over 3 months before deciding.

i talked to a friend the other day, the kid is 23 and has been on numerous cycles. We started talking about AAS and I mentioned PCT and he had NO IDEA what it was!

Wow 4 to 5 cycles and no PCT then he wonders why I am bigger and stronger than him.

bravo and karma ur way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Sub-Zero]

Good post this should be a sticky. I'm 20 and you don't know how hard it is to hold back!!!!

im 17 and its easy as hell to hold back.

just listen to these people's advice and thats enough arguement for me...

 

[sweed]

although I am not over 25. i did have over 8.5 years of lifting behind me before doing my first cycle at 22, which i am almost finished. i started researched when i came on this board, and a year and a half later i had the perfect firs cycle picked out. the guys, even if they are 32, that have 1000 dbols and a bottle of deca that come on the board that ask how to do it, are another category that need some help also. if you are 18, research the heck out of AS for years before jumping on.
good post alltraps

 

[calico2580]

I agree with the notion of teenagers shouldn't be using anabolics. But to say the earliest anyone should start is 25 in my opinion is a bit conservative and shouldn't be the nexus of initial use of anabolics. Providing an individual has vast training under their belt and they are mature, etc. using anablolics at 21 or 22 is not irresponsible or stupid in my opinion.

 

[bicepts101]

i started at 20 now im 22...i should have waited

good post

 

[alltraps]

my point is, that even though at 20 or 21, you may have a few years of training under your belt, but your natural test is still really high. so why fuck it up by taking gear? ride it out. eat more, train harder and gain.

its too easy to get gear, just too easy

 

[asianlover]

this is exactly why i made a suggestion to screen ages via credit card #'s etc and make a minimum age requirement-at least for the anabolic board

i dont like this idea for two reasons. one, maybe talking to the guys on here will make them rethink using at a young age . two, if they are going to do it reguardless at least they will be informed.

 

[jdevlin1985]

I am 19 and have been training since I was 15 at high school. I agree with this and take in with all respect.

Radar to me is an inspiration. Giving me the insight that we are all made out of the same stuff as Arnold and it can be done. RE to this I have even thought about giving up the gear and maybe continue training natty up until my metabolism has slowed due to its natural course.

All respect to him and thank you.

 

[ricorico]

i dont like this idea for two reasons. one, maybe talking to the guys on here will make them rethink using at a young age . two, if they are going to do it reguardless at least they will be informed.

tru...some people are gonna do the drug no matter what others say, and thats just a fact....so if they are going to do it anyway, its good that there is a board where they can learn about a safer way of doin it

 

[jdevlin1985]

tru...some people are gonna do the drug no matter what others say, and thats just a fact....so if they are going to do it anyway, its good that there is a board where they can learn about a safer way of doin it

I agree with this but there are few peeps on this board who are totally arrogant towards the younger generation of bodybuilding and I do not agree with this.

Ok if there is a 17 year old who is posting stupid and ridiculous questions then ok it deserves all arrogance. People like myself though who do take the time and effort to research and help others out when possible and give respect should get respect back.

 

[BIGJAKE]

Good post K to ya bro Alltraps that is

 

[uglyass]

Yup, nice post.

UglyASS

 

[jdevlin1985]

LOL Man, I love you guys

 

[boyer]

i dont like this idea for two reasons. one, maybe talking to the guys on here will make them rethink using at a young age . two, if they are going to do it reguardless at least they will be informed.

Some kids will actually listen is my point as well. Some dipshits (18-50) will look at a vet's cycle and figure all I have to do is shoot what this guy does to get huge.

 

[sandman_007]

hmm one problem i see with teens is that they start a cycle and aren't even experienced with the three fundamentals of weight training: Training, Sleep and Nutrition.....and since that isn't done properly they get crappy results from a cycle. inexperience and lack of knowledge is what many teens have...

 

[Big Mo]

My two cents....No matter what the age or what your motive is, you have to do the research and understand. This a great thread. Karma for the Alltraps!

 

[Bruce]

i did my first at 24, i dont' know it was mild cycle of winstrol and i had no clue what i was doing so it did nothing, i agree though, but if someone has completely plataued like i did, certain ectomorphs just can't put on weight, then i don't see a problem if they are fully grown, i asked a doctor, i feel if you gonna do it do it all the way, tell you doc, do blood work, and if you really can't get any bigger do 6 months of research and then start a cycle, i wish i had done it that way cause my second REAL cycle i gained 22 lbs because i understood diet and pct, and that steroids are not magic

 

[BigGunsInc.]

AMEN.. Good post brother!!

BGI

 

[needsize]

Its not just an age thing, experience is huge. I've seen tons of guys, 25 and older, with very little training under their belt, jump on a cycle as the easy way out. if you jump on before you have the foundation, its a punk move, but an all too common one.

When I was still natural, I had lots of people talking shit that I must be on juice. I wasnt even that big, after 10 years of natural training, I was only 180-185lbs at 7-8% bf, but funny that thats big compared to most guys on juice....

 

[karachi183]

Its not just an age thing, experience is huge. I've seen tons of guys, 25 and older, with very little training under their belt, jump on a cycle as the easy way out. if you jump on before you have the foundation, its a punk move, but an all too common one.

When I was still natural, I had lots of people talking shit that I must be on juice. I wasnt even that big, after 10 years of natural training, I was only 180-185lbs at 7-8% bf, but funny that thats big compared to most guys on juice....

I have to add that even tho i'm small @ 5"7 @ 170 everytime i start lifting people think i'm on something when all my body is doing is re-adjusting itself. Sometimes it sucks when ppl say ur on when ur not and ur really busting ur ass dealing with the pain associated with lifting hard but on the other hand it feels good that ppl think so cause it makes the pain worth it.

 

[Diesel_Smoke]

I agree with the notion of teenagers shouldn't be using anabolics. But to say the earliest anyone should start is 25 in my opinion is a bit conservative and shouldn't be the nexus of initial use of anabolics. Providing an individual has vast training under their belt and they are mature, etc. using anablolics at 21 or 22 is not irresponsible or stupid in my opinion.

I agree.

There's no evidence of any real degree of reliability that once a user has fully reached/past puberty and is no longer growing they cannot use in reasonable safety provided they're informed. The best reason I've heard cited for not using is the 'rollar coaster' of emotions some younger individuals potentially have, and steroids could compound that. I agree with that. But beside that, nothing of any real basis. Sure, young people have naturally high hormone levels, but honestly, the gear isn't going to hurt them anymore than someone who is 30 provided they've done proper research. And on the flipside, the younger user will have the highest probability of fully recovering after a cycle. Just a fact, younger people will recover faster from anything, or stand the best chance to... Hell, I probably bounce back post cycle twice as fast as guys in their 30's. At most, a younger individual might be out more money for results he could have obtained naturally...

 

[BOOEY]

K alltraps, good post.

The way I look at it is everyone is responsible for themselves. If you're 18 and want to do roids, I'm not going to stop b/c basically I could care less about you (unless you're part of my family). That's your business if you want to take that risk or throw your money into the garbage. But on the same token, I don't agree with it, therefore I won't help someone who asks for it on these boards if I feel they're too young or too inexperienced. Most of them won't listen to our wisdom anyway, so there's no point.

 

[LVTitan]

I agree with the notion of teenagers shouldn't be using anabolics. But to say the earliest anyone should start is 25 in my opinion is a bit conservative and shouldn't be the nexus of initial use of anabolics. Providing an individual has vast training under their belt and they are mature, etc. using anablolics at 21 or 22 is not irresponsible or stupid in my opinion.

you ever notice a guy with wide shoulders looks bigger than a guy with narrow shoulders ?
thats because the collar bone adds to the width of your shoulders. did you know that the collar bone continues growing till you are somewhere around 27yrs old ?
you wanna get big but have narrow shoulders ? cause that can happen by juicing too soon. i'm a little guy and at 5 7" i still look intimidating at a low weight (by this boards standards) because i have wide shoulders.

 

[bicepts101]

you ever notice a guy with wide shoulders looks bigger than a guy with narrow shoulders ?
thats because the collar bone adds to the width of your shoulders. did you know that the collar bone continues growing till you are somewhere around 27yrs old ?
you wanna get big but have narrow shoulders ? cause that can happen by juicing too soon. i'm a little guy and at 5 7" i still look intimidating at a low weight (by this boards standards) because i have wide shoulders.

damn...i have narrow shoulders...sucks for me..

 

[bicepts101]

I have to add that even tho i'm small @ 5"7 @ 170 everytime i start lifting people think i'm on something when all my body is doing is re-adjusting itself. Sometimes it sucks when ppl say ur on when ur not and ur really busting ur ass dealing with the pain associated with lifting hard but on the other hand it feels good that ppl think so cause it makes the pain worth it.

lol....i dont give a shit what they think....im not asshamed of using steroids. i dont tell people i do but if i think they do i never get mad i just laugh and say "yeah sure bro"

 

[jigatest]

Well before i found this site i was about 21 i did not know shit i shot test and deca 2 botlles total and thougt i was going to grow well guess what? NO i am 26 now and done 2 cycles i read i learned and now i am prepared for my third i went from a sorry ass 120 to 160 at most sure i train hard eat alot and read it took me 3 yearsto go from 120 to 160 of couse jack but when i get off i wheigt 145 to 150
i wanted to grow so bad by taking 1 bottle of test. listen guys iam still learning now.
so be patient and if u are not take advise from this guys. i did and i have been reading
on this site for like 5 years now but just desided to become one of yall so i can give my opinion and try to learn and help. so to all read and learn

 

[alltraps]

read, learn, ask questions, EAT AND TRAIN right,... then do drugs

 

[Tweakle]

Age is certainly a good benchmark, but training progress is almost always overlooked... It blows my mind to read about guys who can't bench 315 running G's a week or kids who cant squat much more than bodyweight doing 12 weekers to get 'ripped' for spring break. insane. You need to put in years of hard work before AAS are appropriate, and there's plenty of big strong guys out there who dont use them.