I am not a bodybuilder but a powerlifter and I achieved pretty good natural lifts -- 683sq, 480bp, and 655dl for a 1783 total@230lbs. However I hit a wall and my squat didn't movefor almost 3 years along iwth my dl. I finally 6 month ago went on -- I will belifting in the nationals next month and finally hope to get my 700+ sq and 500+ bp. We'll see though. I spent years getting strong naturally and went on when i was 31 y/o. I thought my wife would shit when I told her and she really surpised me -- she said I have worked long and hard, do it, but do it right and as safe as practical. I knew guys that started taking shit when they were oonly squatting 500 pounds and they are gone now, not lifting, not competeing nothing. Get strong naturally then decide if you want the stuff.