Time to throw out Bill Starr's 5x5 routine.

[Kane Fan]

ok between his posting 2 more threads and not responding in this one or the third one (I didn't read all of the second one) I'm pretty sure he's a troll
who do we alert?
the last thing the board needs is 'why to throw away a good training program part four' because I said so !

 

[perp69]

All I know is I have made more progress and gains with the 5X5 than any program I have previously done. Why it works and is it outdate? I don't know but it works and works well and I will continue to use it.

Everyone is different and responds differently to the same programs. So all I can say is if it doesn't work for you then do something else but that is no reason debunk a good training routine though.

 

[blut wump]

Even if the reason is just to bring all the 5x5ers out of the woodwork, it is a little rude.

 

[H_T_]

i approve of the 5x5.

 

[pwrhngry]

Hey, yall, I know I kindof am late catching this thread but I feel like I just gotta reply to this one.
For 18 months I trained my ass off. # way split,3 on 1 off, every single set to failure, 15 sets per body part, the whole works guys. A classic Arnold, super high volume approach based purely on ignorance. And what did I get from it you ask? A super low bodyfat, and strength to match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And 5 weeks ago I started the Bill Starr 5x5. I have since gained 7 pounds, 1 inch on my puny 20 inch thighs 3/8 of an inch on my puny 13 inch bicepts and 3/4 of an inch on my puny 38 inch chest. My waist has stayed at 30 inches, Im 5'11'' by the way at 158pounds now. Most importantly, I have gained 25 POUNDS ON SQUATS, 15 ON BENCH, 20 ON D.L, AND 30+ ON ROWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now the weights I lift are toys compared to most of you guys who have been at this for years, along with a super low body fat which is slowing my strength down, but even considering these factors, in fact even more so because of them, I am perfect proof of the effectiveness of the 5x5. I have gotten more strength, and growth in 5 weeks on the 5x5 than I got in 18 MONTHS of the super high volume, train to failure crap. Man I didnt believe in it either until I started putting up squats that had my ass stapled to the floor a month ago! If you doubt that the 5x5 kicks ass, give it 1 run, YOU WILL BECOME A BELIEVER!!!!!!! By the way, Im no trainer, or scientist. Im just a skinny little shit who is finally getting stronger. If Im getting these results on a program that needs "thrown out" tell me where you throw it so I can retrieve it and keep on!!!!!!!! Thanks guys just my 2c, by the way I have a journal on here ,lonetree, check out the numbers. They arent big like most of thses guys, but guess what. After almost 2 years of busting my ass going to failure and working out 6 days a week with almost no gains, its sure as hell nice to add 5 pounds a week to all my lifts!

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

I'm with you pwrhngry. I'm truly only a few weeks into my 5x5's (single factor) and my progression and body change is pretty drastic. If my pace keeps up by december I will be hitting 200 for reps on bench and max bench will be past 225, a long time goal for me. I still only weigh 138, but just wednesday my workset deadlift surpassed my weight (if this isnt an improvement in strength i dont know what is). I hope that my gains can stay close to linear for 3 or 4 months, but when they do taper off then the dual factor will be waiting with open arms.

 

[blut wump]

Those open arms on the DF are coated with acid. Hold onto the SF as long as you can continue to make gains on it.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

LOL!! yeah, im gonna milk it for as long as possible.

 

[Kane Fan]

how is single set up compared to dual

 

[JL_204]

how is single set up compared to dual

Theres a description in the mother thread.