Those CRAZY dosages aren't making sence...

[Mr.Holland]

I was just reading some posts here on the board and i was thinking...

WHY DOES MORE THAN HALF OF THE PEOPLE ON EF ADVISE/USE SUCH CRAZY AMOUNTS OF GEAR????

guys are talking about 1 gram of test a week if it is nothing..
Others advising first timers to use eq + dbol + test + fina..etc..etc.

What the hell is wrong with these people????
i dont understand..

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Simply put, because alot of us use these same doses. However I would never advise a newbie to use, d-bol (or any oral), tren, insulin etc. Typical newbie cycles should be 200-250mg test/200mg deca, 400 mg test or 400 mg eq. Actually I worked with a friend of mine who didn't want to start on test, so we worked up a pretty mild cycle that worked very well. 300 mg of deca for 10 weeks (600 first week), with one proviron a day. 4 weeks after his post cycle recovery he was 12 ibs heavier, with 4% less bodyfat, and was benching with two more plates for the same # of reps. Overall, he kept about 20 ibs of muscle, had less bodyfat and was stronger. Of course now he is on prop/tren/insulin/liquidex (ahh cheap but effective).

 

[gilly6993]

I was always an advocate of loww doses for 10-12 weeks until my last cycle for my contest prep.....was up to about 3 grams a week with lots of GH and I've completely changed my physique.....

 

[Mr.Holland]

I was always an advocate of loww doses for 10-12 weeks until my last cycle for my contest prep.....was up to about 3 grams a week with lots of GH and I've completely changed my physique.....

Okay, but you are already an 'advanced' bb and user...
You know what you are doing...

But there are lots of people on this board who are using and advising insane cycles. And when you read more you see that its just their 2nd or 3rd cycle.. or they are a first timer serious amounts of gear.
Im no expert, but from what i've experienced you dont need those amounts.

 

[satchboogie]

very true. but nowadays, bodybuilders wanna grow now and fast!

forget putting a few years of hard work.. they want it in 6 months.
i dont blame them.

 

[DaddyX]

who cares

 

[Nelson Montana]

The answer is simple. Most of the "experts" really don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to train and they don't know how to make the most of their cycles. But they're real good at doing lots of drugs! And THAT, is what (supposedly) makes them experts.

The ever increasing dosages become so familiar, so commonplace, so comfortable, that a cavalier attitude is developed. In an effort to convince themselves that there's nothing to fear they encourage newbies to do the same thing. It's really quite contemptable, but you can't blame them. For the most part, they're too stupid to realize how stupid they are.

You often see comparisons to what he "pros" use when in fact, they have no idea what the pros use. People defend insulin use because that's what makes the pros today so much bigger than the guys from the 60's and 70's. Meanwhile you have kids using insulin who are 185 pounds with 14% fat. After all, t's what the pros do

People destroy their thyroid because they wanted to look good on the beach for a month. It's beyond absurd.

Nobody here is a pro and only a handful compete. But the mentality is; the pros today are bigger, they take more gear, so more gear is the way to get bigger. Simple.

The truth of the matter is, nobody needs more than a gram a week. You can get HUGE on a gram a week. But just taking more drugs is easier.

And to some, they can never be big enough. Their goal is not to have a beautiful body -- you know, the kind that "men admire and women desire." They want to be a freak -- an oddity. Something that attracts attention. They also feel a bizarre sense of pride that they're willing to take insane dosages. It's sad really. There must be something tragically absent from a persons life if their main objective is to take up more space. And misery wants company. And THAT is why you see the recommened dosages that you do.



There...I said it.

 

[satchboogie]

nelson hits it right on the money yet again.

say NELSON.....

if you were to run a 10 week cycle and you had all the primos/deca/sustanon/anapolan/provirons at hand, how would you design it?

thanks bro

 

[Mavy]

I dont see anything wrong with a newbie using dbol for a 1st cycle to kickstart it as long as it is in safe doseages. I usually recommend the following almost always to newbies, unless they have certain compunds already bought to work with.

Wk 1-3
Dbol 25mgs/day
Test 250/wk
EQ 400/wk

wk4-8
Test: 250/wk
EQ: 400/wk

or this as another great newbie or anybody cycle

wk 1-8
EQ: 400/wk
Anavar: 35mg/day

If you think that these are insane dosages then well I dont know what to tell you. I think it is better and SAFER to run test 250 with EQ 400/wk, than to run test alone at 500mgs/wk.

Mavy

 

[Mr.Holland]

yes you said it Nelson..
totally agree

All im doing now is 250mg Sust (came down from 500mg) and im growing as a mofo!!

Only thing i regret is that i didnt have some Nolva at hand.. Now i need it and i cant get any. Any my nipples are puffy..
But i dont regret that i didnt add the tren, which wanted the do in the first place.. and i dont regret that i didnt add anything else..

Okay im eating my guts out... but thats part of being a BB, imo.

 

[jcp2]

The answer is simple. Most of the "experts" really don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to train and they don't know how to make the most of their cycles. But they're real good at doing lots of drugs! And THAT, is what (supposedly) makes them experts.

The ever increasing dosages become so familiar, so commonplace, so comfortable, that a cavalier attitude is developed. In an effort to convince themselves that there's nothing to fear they encourage newbies to do the same thing. It's really quite contemptable, but you can't blame them. For the most part, they're too stupid to realize how stupid they are.

You often see comparisons to what he "pros" use when in fact, they have no idea what the pros use. People defend insulin use because that's what makes the pros today so much bigger than the guys from the 60's and 70's. Meanwhile you have kids using insulin who are 185 pounds with 14% fat. After all, t's what the pros do

People destroy their thyroid because they wanted to look good on the beach for a month. It's beyond absurd.

Nobody here is a pro and only a handful compete. But the mentality is; the pros today are bigger, they take more gear, so more gear is the way to get bigger. Simple.

The truth of the matter is, nobody needs more than a gram a week. You can get HUGE on a gram a week. But just taking more drugs is easier.

And to some, they can never be big enough. Their goal is not to have a beautiful body -- you know, the kind that "men admire and women desire." They want to be a freak -- an oddity. Something that attracts attention. They also feel a bizarre sense of pride that they're willing to take insane dosages. It's sad really. There must be something tragically absent from a persons life if their main objective is to take up more space. And misery wants company. And THAT is why you see the recommened dosages that you do.



There...I said it.

I rarely post over here, but this is one of the best posts i have ever read. I really agree with this.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

i dont read alot of "newbie" posts. but the ones that i do read have been given the advice to use low doses. i dont know where people get the idea that newbies are being adviced to use insane doses. maybe in other boards but not the ones i go to. course, like i said, i dont read every post...

 

[manny78]

Just be safe. The Ronnie Coleman look is butt uggly and absurd. So taking insane doses of test/deca/dbols just doesnt make sense for 99% of us...

 

[jubei]

500mg sust/week is about the upper limit of a first cycle. My first was 250mg/week for 8 weeks when I didn't know better with no ancillaries and I kept 15lbs of muscle. For what I lacked in knowledge of AAS and ancillaries I made up for with knowledge of training and diet.

Oh, by the way good post nelson.

 

[swampmoose]

re

you also have a lot of youger people on this board who dont have a clue as to what nutrition is about. "you are what you eat" is what i have always said. Nutrition should be First priority in a bodybuilders diet. but you wont find that on the anabolics board. also, i dont see anything wrong with a person incorporating dball into their first cycle. test, dball = excellent first cycle. If you are wanting to get into nutrition i would pick up any college level biochemistry book and start to read, i doubt you will be able to put the damn thing down. this book has all the real answers one need for nutrition.

 

[Mr.Holland]

I dont see anything wrong with a newbie using dbol for a 1st cycle to kickstart it as long as it is in safe doseages. I usually recommend the following almost always to newbies, unless they have certain compunds already bought to work with.
Wk 1-3
Dbol 25mgs/day
Test 250/wk
EQ 400/wk
wk4-8
Test: 250/wk
EQ: 400/wk
or this as another great newbie or anybody cycle
wk 1-8
EQ: 400/wk
Anavar: 35mg/day
If you think that these are insane dosages then well I dont know what to tell you. I think it is better and SAFER to run test 250 with EQ 400/wk, than to run test alone at 500mgs/wk.

Mavy

You dont have to take it personally...
Its just my opinion.

I dont agree with the first cycle you advise to newbie's. I wouldnt do the dbol.. The second is great imo.
That are also not insane dosages.. But sometimes i see guys advising 500mg sust- 400mg eq- 75 mf fina eod to a beginner. Thats way to much if you aks me..

 

[HighIntensity]

because 1.5 grams of EQ works better then 400.

 

[Themachine01]

Well I dont compete therefore I personally believe that I have no business messy around with extremely high dosages. I have went as high as 1g per week of test, but only once and really honestly couldnt tell that much of a difference from 750 per week.

 

[thelegacy]

i dont read alot of "newbie" posts. but the ones that i do read have been given the advice to use low doses. i dont know where people get the idea that newbies are being adviced to use insane doses. maybe in other boards but not the ones i go to. course, like i said, i dont read every post...

I agree with DEP. Juice I read some of the newbie posts and i usually never read anyone recommending them huge amounts of gear--its always 250mg test and a little eq

 

[swampmoose]

re

Mr.Holland, im curious to know what would you prescribe a newbie for their first cycle and what dosage. you must atleast double your naturall test levels for decent gains imo our its a waste of time.

 

[swampmoose]

re

right, which @ 250mg a week is not bad in that case. i've tried that and let me tell you, it was a waste of my time. have you tried just 250mgs per week? how were your results.

 

[Nelson Montana]

satch: I wouldn't use deca or analopan. If you have enough test and primo, you're golden.

Mavy: I can't agree with the EQ -- too many weird side effects. And now there's new research that shows EQ increases RBC far more than "human" gear, which can lead to stroke, HBP or heart attack.

SAY "NO" TO VET GEAR!

Holland: If you're that prone to gyno and you can't get nolva, go for some proviron stat! If not, at least use some Calcium D Glucarate and Chrysin. Yep, it turns out Chyrsin may be the best natural OTC anti-e around but you need about 4x's the recommended dosage.

 

[SwitchedOn]

First of all I think Nelson made a great post. Next I have yet to see a newbie being recommended to use fina his first cycle, however, like DJ I don't read all the posts so it might be possible. Lastly why would you ask this question and in the same thread say you started a sust cycle without nolva? I'd rather be doing more test with nolva on hand than less without...Just an observation.

 

[Mr.Holland]

satch: I wouldn't use deca or analopan. If you have enough test and primo, you're golden.

Mavy: I can't agree with the EQ -- too many weird side effects. And now there's new research that shows EQ increases RBC far more than "human" gear, which can lead to stroke, HBP or heart attack.

SAY "NO" TO VET GEAR!

Holland: If you're that prone to gyno and you can't get nolva, go for some proviron stat! If not, at least use some Calcium D Glucarate and Chrysin. Yep, it turns out Chyrsin may be the best natural OTC anti-e around but you need about 4x's the recommended dosage.

Thanx!

Go order it right away!!

 

[Mr.Holland]

Re: re

right, which @ 250mg a week is not bad in that case. i've tried that and let me tell you, it was a waste of my time. have you tried just 250mgs per week? how were your results.

Im now at 250mg a week. Okay i started with 500mg a week.
But although i dropped the dose im still gaining weight and strenght. Ive gained now about 16 pounds... Strenght going sky high..

And what i would advise to a newbie...
week 1-8 200mg deca
week 1-8 200/250mg test
or
week 1-8 200mg deca
week 1-5 30mg Dbol (taper up and down)
keep some nolva at hand..
some postcycle stuff

thats it...

 

[Mr.Holland]

First of all I think Nelson made a great post. Next I have yet to see a newbie being recommended to use fina his first cycle, however, like DJ I don't read all the posts so it might be possible. Lastly why would you ask this question and in the same thread say you started a sust cycle without nolva? I'd rather be doing more test with nolva on hand than less without...Just an observation.

You're right about the nolva. I thought i would be fine.. onfortunately im not. Its a lesson for the coming cycles.

 

[granby140]

i think you retaint more gains when u do low doses as well

 

[Texas Ranger]

This is a pretty good thread with ALOT of valid points for starting with low to moderate doses for your first few cycles.

 

[sk*]

Yep, it turns out Chyrsin may be the best natural OTC anti-e around but you need about 4x's the recommended dosage.

There was a study on www.ast-ss.com that showed Chrysin can raise chances of gyno instead of lowering it. I can dig it up if you want.

-sk

 

[Mr.Holland]

I've got lucky!!
A friend of mine has some nolva at home..
i can have it!!

I have once used it, but that is about 4 years ago..
So i dont remember what the dosage was. Can anyone help?
..mg a day?

 

[JibbyJabba]

The answer is simple. Most of the "experts" really don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to train and they don't know how to make the most of their cycles. But they're real good at doing lots of drugs! And THAT, is what (supposedly) makes them experts.

The ever increasing dosages become so familiar, so commonplace, so comfortable, that a cavalier attitude is developed. In an effort to convince themselves that there's nothing to fear they encourage newbies to do the same thing. It's really quite contemptable, but you can't blame them. For the most part, they're too stupid to realize how stupid they are.

You often see comparisons to what he "pros" use when in fact, they have no idea what the pros use. People defend insulin use because that's what makes the pros today so much bigger than the guys from the 60's and 70's. Meanwhile you have kids using insulin who are 185 pounds with 14% fat. After all, t's what the pros do

People destroy their thyroid because they wanted to look good on the beach for a month. It's beyond absurd.

Nobody here is a pro and only a handful compete. But the mentality is; the pros today are bigger, they take more gear, so more gear is the way to get bigger. Simple.

The truth of the matter is, nobody needs more than a gram a week. You can get HUGE on a gram a week. But just taking more drugs is easier.

And to some, they can never be big enough. Their goal is not to have a beautiful body -- you know, the kind that "men admire and women desire." They want to be a freak -- an oddity. Something that attracts attention. They also feel a bizarre sense of pride that they're willing to take insane dosages. It's sad really. There must be something tragically absent from a persons life if their main objective is to take up more space. And misery wants company. And THAT is why you see the recommened dosages that you do.



There...I said it.

There it is... eloquent as always.

 

[2scoops]

I am going to do my first cycle in about 2 months but ive been reading lots and lots of threads. what to take what not to take, then there's what to take post cycle, and what to take for sides.

I plan my cycle , then i change my mind because people reply with i'd go with blah blah and so on.

Im 6'1 190pds 12-14 bf

my goals are to lower body fat and increase muscle and strength and speed , I know about diet , could do with more knowledge on training.

Just want some advice on a decent low cycle that will yield gains and not cause sides thanx

Was going with sust 250 ew 4 8 weeks with some var at 25ed

 

[Nelson Montana]

There was a study on www.ast-ss.com that showed Chrysin can raise chances of gyno instead of lowering it. I can dig it up if you want.

-sk

.........................

I'd like to see that. Supp companies are always twisting the facts in order to prove the superiority of their products but if the research was honest, I'd be curious why chyrsin "can" raise the "chances" of getting gyno.

Incidentally, I always felt clomid, being an estrogen and having estrogenic effects in some people could also be likely to raise the chance of getting gyno but I have no proof.

2scoops: If you admit that you need to learn more about training why are you looking to do a cycle? (That's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is that you're lazy). Only after trying every training technique possible, peaking out your natural abilty, and then trying it all over again, should you consider steroids. If you don't have that desire to learn all there is learn about traning, you'll never stick with it anyway.

 

[Mr.Holland]

Great cycle imo!
The var will give you great strenght gains.

Make sure you have some nolva, in case of gyno. (i didnt and regret it).
Last time i hear lots of great stuff about maca (3gr a day, in divited dosages) and avena sativa (2 gr a day, also divited). Never did it myself, but im going to try it when current cycle is over. Add some Ldex or nolva for keepin estrogen-levels down.

If you want mass train INTENSE and short. To know what really intense is train one week every muscle group once, with 2 excercises for one set. In that one set you'll have to give all.
Its strange but when you know its your only set its easier to go till absolute faillure. Its something mentally i think.
Anyway.. the feeling that one set gives you, is the feeling every set has to give you from now on.
Train every bodypart once a week. Total sets for large musclegroups (quads, shoulders, back, chest) : max. 9.
Total sets for small groups: max. 6
rep-range: 12 - 6.
and like i said.. train intense..

You can do some cardio if you want to.. but it will hinder maximum gains. About 2 - 3 times 20 min of cardio is more than enough.

Good luck bro!
Keep us updated...

 

[sk*]

.........................

I'd like to see that. Supp companies are always twisting the facts in order to prove the superiority of their products but if the research was honest, I'd be curious why chyrsin "can" raise the "chances" of getting gyno.

Incidentally, I always felt clomid, being an estrogen and having estrogenic effects in some people could also be likely to raise the chance of getting gyno but I have no proof.

2scoops: If you admit that you need to learn more about training why are you looking to do a cycle? (That's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is that you're lazy). Only after trying every training technique possible, peaking out your natural abilty, and then trying it all over again, should you consider steroids. If you don't have that desire to learn all there is learn about traning, you'll never stick with it anyway.

I couldn't find the one I was looking for, but this "article" suggests that chrysin is worthless based on a study they did (i'm sure the study can be found somewhere on their website):


Q: I read where you say Chrysin does not prevent aromatization and should not be taken with androstenedione. How come every other company sells andro supplements with chrysin in them and says that it does help reduce aromatization and also boosts testosterone?


A: We have said this for quite a few years now. Chrysin is a worthless supplement and should never be taken with ando supplements. In fact, a recent study unequivically proved this.

In the International Journal of Sport Nutrition & Exercise Metabolism, the study, "Effects of Anabolic Precursors on Serum Testosterone Concentrations and Adaptations to Resistance Training in Young Men." was put together to see specifically if chrysin or indol-3-Carbinol increased the testosterone elevating effects and/or reduced the aromatization effects of androstenedione.

Using the supplement Andro-6, the study concluded that, " . . . addition of these herbal extracts (chrysin) to androstenedione does not result in increased serum testosterone concentrations, reduce the estrogenic effect of androstenedione, and does not augment the adaptations to resistance training."

As to why all the other supplement companies sell worthless andro concoctions with chrysin in them is simple. They do no research at all. They are "monkey see - monkey do" operations. It works like this; If a company comes out with a stupid supplement supported by no research but spends tons of money marketing the worthless supplement, other "me too" companies will knock the worthless product off and sell it under their own name. It happens all the time. It's the blind leading the blind.

It's pathetic but it's very prevelent in the sports nutrtion industry.

Effects of Anabolic Precursors on Serum Testosterone Concentrations and Adaptations to Resistance Training in Young Men. International Journal of Sport Nutrition & Exercise Metabolism, 10 (3).

-sk

 

[2scoops]

2scoops: If you admit that you need to learn more about training why are you looking to do a cycle? (That's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is that you're lazy). Only after trying every training technique possible, peaking out your natural abilty, and then trying it all over again, should you consider steroids. If you don't have that desire to learn all there is learn about traning, you'll never stick with it anyway.


Nelson I am not lazy , I just have a busy and demanding lifestyle and yes I know that isn't much of an excuse.That is why I have never done a cycle before and I dont intend to do so until all things are in place.

I am being sensible and asking opinions (Thanks mr holland).

Your dead right i havent peaked naturally but I will in the future check stats as i have great genetics.

I have read some of your posts and you are extremely knowledgable in the subject and I definately agree with most of what you have to say.Safe and effective.

So what would be your first cycle for me, seriously!

PS you have given me great motivation with your comments

 

[Nelson Montana]

2scoops: I'm just challangng your desicion in an effort to make you think twice about what you're doing. Your choice for a first cycle looks fine, but if you have good genetics, I'd suggest making the most of them before using the sauce just because you have a busy schedule. You still have to train hard to makes gains. Make the most of it. I hate to see anyone use gear while they're still capable of growing naturally.

sk: I've seen lots of conflicting info on chrysin and my personal experience with it was less than impressive. But after trying a higher dose along with bioprene it seems to kick in. Granted, this is strictly imperical. In the case of adding it to androsteine, if they just threw in a "window dressng" dose I imagine it wouldn't do much. And androsteine is REALLY estrogenic so how can they tell how much the chrysin is supressing?

Indole 3 is an interesting compound. At high dosages it has a similar negitive effect on me as Clomid, so it does SOMETHING. (even if that something works against my goals) Some say it lowers "bad" estogen and raises "good estrogen, but that "good" estrogen isn't necessarily good for BB's. Maintaining optimum estro is tricky and there's still a lot we don't know.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

why don't you mind your own fucking business holland and let people do what they want instead of threatening other members and trying to get them banned. idiot. three cheers to 3 grams a fucking week.

 

[Mr.Holland]

The only member i threatend is FREAKZILLA1.. and the dipshit asked for it. He pm-ed me first and give me bad karma, just because i didnt had the same opinion...
And i havent tried to get somebody banned...

would be nice if they did ban you.. for the fuckin second time!!

And another thing.. if you dont have anything else to say than this shit.. you fuck up someone elses thread!

 

[Mr.Holland]

ohhh... and another thing...

i do let people make their own disicions (hope thats spelled right)..
I only dont understand them.. doesnt make sence to me..
and clearly some people have the same opinion.
just want to start a discussion on this board.. gee..isnt that what this board is all about..

 

[Dutch windmill]

why don't you mind your own fucking business holland and let people do what they want instead of threatening other members and trying to get them banned. idiot. three cheers to 3 grams a fucking week.

Who are you anyway?...

D.W.

 

[manny78]

Guys, let's keep this civilized, ok ?

 

[DaddyX]

like i said earlier about this thread WHO CARES ! but yes,lets be civilized higher doses are more effective BTW -peace

 

[DaddyX]

Dial_tone - LOL,good analogy and a correct one

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Who are you anyway?...

D.W.

who are you???

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

The only member i threatend is FREAKZILLA1.. and the dipshit asked for it. He pm-ed me first and give me bad karma, just because i didnt had the same opinion...
And i havent tried to get somebody banned...

would be nice if they did ban you.. for the fuckin second time!!

And another thing.. if you dont have anything else to say than this shit.. you fuck up someone elses thread!

you admitted you PM'd him first to "snap his neck" the other day. lie #1.....also go look at his karma.....no way he can leave you negative any more than i can. a negative comment in karma yes, not negative karma though (red karma). lie #2. and i have done nothing to get banned except express my opinion on high dose cycles and your attitude with me, while you admitted to threatening a member therefore grounds for banning. but i am not a chickenshit looking to get anyone banned. just explaining the facts to your numbskull ass.

 

[Tony104104]

THE_BIG_FED

Why not take your problem with Mr. Holland to PM's? This thread is going so well...Why ruin it?

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

THE_BIG_FED

Why not take your problem with Mr. Holland to PM's? This thread is going so well...Why ruin it?

because he always jumps in on my threads or posts and trys to get me banned or pissed off. done it twice this week. i can bump the threads if you like. i had the shits of it and gave it back to him. tell him back the fuck off and i have no problem ignoring him.

 

[DaddyX]

this is great,every thread involvinng THE_BIG_FED is a great one,he's a good bro in my book

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

this is great,every thread involvinng THE_BIG_FED is a great one,he's a good bro in my book

yeah, its 10 to 1 in favor of me.....yet there are always those few on my nuts for no apparent reason. don't hate the playa....hate the game i say to them. i bring joy and intelligence to all threads.

 

[jubei]

Short guys are always trying to pick a fight. Read my post about "guys 5'6'' and under" in between the sheets. The Big Fed is a good bro IMHO, he just doesn't like to take shit from people.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Short guys are always trying to pick a fight. Read my post about "guys 5'6'' and under" in between the sheets. The Big Fed is a good bro IMHO, he just doesn't like to take shit from people.

5'8" thank you very much. i hope your talking about holland who is 5'6".

 

[DaddyX]

short man syndrom - it's horrible. not you big fed

 

[jubei]

Yes I was talking about Mr. Holland. I have no idea how tall you are, but Mr. Holland has his stats in his "signature". Dial tone is 5'8 as well and I have nothing bad to say about him.....he'd kick my ass.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Yes I was talking about Mr. Holland. I have no idea how tall you are, but Mr. Holland has his stats in his "signature". Dial tone is 5'8 as well and I have nothing bad to say about him.....he'd kick my ass.

you'd be suprised, most of the guys who acutally post pics and look good (i know i have not yet) are 5'9" and under....many are 5'7". not many guys looks good at over 6" tall TBH. and lol at daddyX.

 

[DaddyX]

THE_BIG_FED - hey fucker im 5'11'' and i think i look pretty good. don't hate on the taller guys

 

[jubei]

I'm 5'11 too, although it is easier to look big if you are shorter.

 

[DaddyX]

yes i agree totally

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

THE_BIG_FED - hey fucker im 5'11'' and i think i look pretty good. don't hate on the taller guys

i'd actually like to be 5'10" or so myself, just keep my same size stretched out to that height. its easier to keep the muscular look though at about 5'8", people think you are bigger. lol.

 

[DaddyX]

it sucks cause my arms are kinda longer and it is hard to make them grow

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

it sucks cause my arms are kinda longer and it is hard to make them grow

ya know, i got fucked. i have long, thin arms, and the muscular denser body of a shorter guy all around the rest of me! one good thing, my forearms are cut as hell and thicker than average, and my whole arm upper and lower is vascular as hell. so people are like "that is what winny does to you" looking at my arms. i want thicker short guy arms!!! lol.

 

[DaddyX]

LOL i feel ya. the only thing im diggin about myself is my big ass back and shoulders,the rest of me sucks

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

LOL i feel ya. the only thing im diggin about myself is my big ass back and shoulders,the rest of me sucks

we sound like we have similar builds. i am huge in the traps and delts and back and it looks good, hard and detailed. i am big in the legs and ass, but need more cuts except my calves that are cut fine and vascular. to much lower ab fat and some gyno going on. like i said arms are long and kinda small, but cut and vascular with big forearms. i'd take a back double bi anyday on a challenge. things are coming around though with this overdone cycle. wait till holland wakes up over there and see's all this. his head is going to explode.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

I sure feel for yall!!!!
To bad i'm perfect!!!!!

you look a little chubby in the cheeks though in your avatar. lol.

 

[RADAR]

I sure feel for yall!!!!
To bad i'm perfect!!!!!

 

[DaddyX]

my back is sick bro - i challenge anyone to a lat spread challenge

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Suck it up Big feddie...i'm bulking!!!!

my gut is bulking, nothing else much is cooperating.

 

[RADAR]

Suck it up Big feddie...i'm bulking!!!!

 

[Mr.Holland]

things are coming around though with this overdone cycle. wait till holland wakes up over there and see's all this. his head is going to explode.

Yes im awake now...
Not going to explode... just LOL...

 

[Dutch windmill]

Hmm quite a discussion going on here..cant you guys move this to the chat board?

D.W.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

I challenge you, wimplet!

we are putting gilly up against you for now. we will challenge you later and stuff.

 

[DaddyX]

Dial_tone - bring it son

 

[jubei]

Dialtone has some sick lats, I challenge you to a long dick contest.

 

[Fromdafrozen]

All im doing now is 250mg Sust (came down from 500mg) and im growing as a mofo!!

250 mg a week.......what a pussy!

 

[DaddyX]

jubei - bring it

 

[pharmguy]

The average shmoe is probably producing 5-10 grams of test/day. It takes minute amounts of steroids to double your natural test output.

Thats a lot of damned test, which average shmoes you talking about? I dont even do that much in a cycle let alone a day!

 

[Mr.Holland]

250 mg a week.......what a pussy!

Yo Fromdafrozen...
ready for the bbq???

 

[slobberknocker]

guys are talking about 1 gram of test a week if it is nothing..


What the hell is wrong with these people????
i dont understand..

I'm on almost twice that right now. What's wrong with me, you ask? I'm 330, that's what's wrong with me, lol.

 

[pharmguy]

I'm on almost twice that right now. What's wrong with me, you ask? I'm 330, that's what's wrong with me, lol

They are going to need a huge casket for ya when your liver fails

 

[slobberknocker]

They are going to need a huge casket for ya when your liver fails

Testosterone is not liver toxic. Any other witty phrases for me?

 

[Fromdafrozen]

All im doing now is 250mg Sust (came down from 500mg) and im growing as a mofo!!

Okay im eating my guts out... but thats part of being a BB, imo.

Growing like a mofo? Getting fat because of the excess estrogen.

Either way your so small or it's your first cycle IMO.

Extreme big athletes need big dosages.

Mr. Holland are you over your natural limit in terms of muscle?

 

[Fromdafrozen]

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[Mr.Holland]

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Geen barbeque voor jou, eikel...

en ik heb gewoon gelijk. Ik pak nu bijna niets en groei als kool..
Bij mijn andere kuurtjes twijfel ik nu echt of dat wel the real deal was..
Daarom vrag ik me nu af... waarom kei veel van die ventjes hier zoveel pakken terwijl ze net de 80kg grens halen..

doesnt make any sence to me

 

[Fromdafrozen]

Geen barbeque voor jou, eikel...

the test is working! Just joking bro.....

It's true that a lot of new bb'ers take too much drugs these days for the first time. Gaining little with less drugs is better than gaining more with extreme dosages.

A lot of posts here are from insane juicers and newbie's listen to them because they wanne look like Arnold.

Train, eat and use your head!

 

[Mr.Holland]

the test is working! Just joking bro.....

It's true that a lot of new bb'ers take too much drugs these days for the first time. Gaining little with less drugs is better than gaining more with extreme dosages.

A lot of posts here are from insane juicers and newbie's listen to them because they wanne look like Arnold.

Train, eat and use your head!

yeah its working alright... lol
fucking sust! lol

 

[Fromdafrozen]

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[DocJ]

yes you said it Nelson..
totally agree

All im doing now is 250mg Sust (came down from 500mg) and im growing as a mofo!!

Only thing i regret is that i didnt have some Nolva at hand.. Now i need it and i cant get any. Any my nipples are puffy..
But i dont regret that i didnt add the tren, which wanted the do in the first place.. and i dont regret that i didnt add anything else..

Okay im eating my guts out... but thats part of being a BB, imo.

It's been my experience that almost NO ONE can gain off of 250mg of test per week except for their first cycle. I don't think 500-600mg total per week is out of line for a newbie.

 

[Mandinka2]

They are going to need a huge casket for ya when your liver fails

Nope , the liver can process an almost unlimited amount of TESTOSTERONE. He is in no danger from a liver standpoint on test.

 

[Fromdafrozen]

No doubt about it! I know Mr. Holland and he's defenately growing like a big MOFO on 250 sust a week.

The man needs a whole new wardrobe!

 

[Mr.Holland]

Thanx Bro...

Hows dieting...
Really rippin up? Shall we take up aginst eachother next march at the Hardcore Classic..???

 

[Fromdafrozen]

No way! I'm not going to compete again for the next couple of years. I have done 2 comps and it ain't worth it. Preparing for 3 months, dieting and drugs.

It ain't that fun being on the stage. Yeah it sounds cool but it just ain't worth it. The day of the contest you feel really shit.......

Just train and be in shape all year round. Winny here....fina there.

 

[pharmguy]

Testosterone is not liver toxic. Any other witty phrases for me?

This is a huge myth. All drugs are liver toxic to an extent. Testosterone is not AS liver toxic as 17alpha alkylated orals are. What organ do you think de-esterfies the test? your knee? you think that taking over 200 times the physiological dose of testosterone is not bad for you. Besides your liver, your lipid profile is probably the same as someone who is a 400 lb fat old woman. So your right, your arteries may clog before your liver fails and cause you a heart attack or stroke. nevermind the prostate problems you ar causing. Or the damage to your kidneys. my point is this

I understand taking huge doses of steroids, I have done it. (not that high) but dont kid yourself into thinking it is not harmful