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kkklick

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I frequent bodybuilding.com every so often and found this transformation thread. Dude claims to have accomplished this transformation in 12 weeks on a paleo diet. My question is not whether or not he juiced, it is what levels of test, tren, dbol, winny, var did he use to do it. Not hating on his hard work and dedication I admire it, but to claim natty and give people on that site false hope of what they can accomplish in 3 months is injurious is my opinion. Quite a few times (before I seriously got into lifting) I would see transformation threads and be naive about steroid use, so after a few months of not seeing anything close to the results of others I would get discouraged and give up. Here are the pics

http://i46.tinypic.com/zty88m.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/157dxkp.jpg
Here's the thread Progress pics! Feedback? :) - Bodybuilding.com Forums

Would like to get the opinion of experts to see if even with insane genetics someone could do this in 3 months natty
 
Yup, went and read his thread and saw all the pictures. Hes juicing. He shouldn't have told people he got those gains in only 3 months and the one post about his gyno...lmao

What an idiot
 
Exactly what I figured, I mean, this transformation after a 12 weeker is impressive even in steroid standards, but natty? Come on. I think he's lying because the best transformation wins 10K, but one catch is u can't be on the juice
 
Like the one guy over there said, in order to win the contest you eithor have to be super fat and get skinny or be a pencil neck and become jacked!

The results he got are the reults I'm looking to get on my cycle of test/var that Im about to run and keep in mind my before is better then where he was at. Still sick gains, props to him for that but I think he should be postin here with the men and quit fucking with the minds of the dumbass kids over there.
 
Haha thats hilarious. Yeah muscle doesnt rebuild that fast without some jooossseee

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Hmmm ... natty? Sure, I can see that happening if you follow a VERY strict diet and dedicate yourself to train and rest and eat as clean and as much as possible ... FOR 3 YEARS!
 
I constantly search and look of bodybuilding.com on "most inspirational" people. And damn idk what I'm seeing. I always think a lot of these guys gotta be on juice even tho they say they're natty? C'mon man some are down to 5% 6% bf and ripped out of their mind..a lot bigger then some juicers I see..I just think some ppl are totally BS
 
good for him for transforming himself.

it was a combination of muscle memory/genetics and not just juicing but a tremendous diet and hardcore workouts in the gym. he also probably ran some strong things like clen or slin.

however if you look at his face its obvious the before he was like in his late teens. the after he looks like early to mid 20's. so it wasn't 12 weeks. more like 4 years
 
moya said:
^how do u know what he looks like year round?... seems kinda silly to speculate; maybe he got out of shape anticipating winning a bunch of money for a contest...
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well for one thing i didn't just ride in on a tomato truck. I Know this stuff ,just like steve does.
 
the link finally worked and he says it was a 6 week transformation and everyone posting believes his story. he never mentions using steroids. and he is only 20. i would say he is juiced to the gills

his before and after stats if you calculate his body fat he put on 17 pounds of pure muscle mass in a very short time.. it would be impossible to hold that muscle without being on the juice and still manage to cut 7% body fat.

so IMO he was definately running juice + chems and also it wasn't 6 weeks.. 12 weeks on the juice is possible.. PLJ made that kind of transformation on here running an insane stack and busting his ass twice a day and eating a perfect diet with zero cheating. the other competitors did not even come close to what he accomplished though so it was a major combo of genetics, muscle memory and ridiculous disciple/hardwork. i bet there were hundreds of guys who tried to duplicate what PLJ did and .5% of them managed to do it.. the other 99.5% failed.

its taken me 4 years of nonstop ass busting in the gym and a very expensive organic and strict diet combined with many cycles off and on along with countless supplements and spending thousands on chiropractors, massages, and acupuncture to even look the way i look in my avi. so anyone who thinks its that easy is gonna be severely dissapointed if they do what this guy did and go on the paleo diet for 6 weeks and expect to make that transformation lol. i'm just saying. not that the paleo diet isn't better than 99% of what americans eat, but lets get real you aren't gonna lose 7% body fat and gain 17 pounds of muscle.
 
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kkklick said:
I frequent bodybuilding.com every so often and found this transformation thread. Dude claims to have accomplished this transformation in 12 weeks on a paleo diet. My question is not whether or not he juiced, it is what levels of test, tren, dbol, winny, var did he use to do it. Not hating on his hard work and dedication I admire it, but to claim natty and give people on that site false hope of what they can accomplish in 3 months is injurious is my opinion. Quite a few times (before I seriously got into lifting) I would see transformation threads and be naive about steroid use, so after a few months of not seeing anything close to the results of others I would get discouraged and give up. Here are the pics

http://i46.tinypic.com/zty88m.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/157dxkp.jpg
Here's the thread Progress pics! Feedback? :) - Bodybuilding.com Forums

Would like to get the opinion of experts to see if even with insane genetics someone could do this in 3 months natty
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I'm no one to judge. Genetics play a huge role in how we gain. I dont know the guy personally to say whether he is ON or not.
Nice gains in 3 months but in all fairness he looked untrained in the before pics so it is possible he did it through diet and training.
 
impossible in 6 weeks without a pretty hefty cycle I would say. Def not possible without gear in 6 weeks, no matter "how big" the cycle
 
Hahaha that's funny shit. It would take some serious ambition, extreme diet, and hard ass workouts to even pull that off in a year in my opinion. But 3 months with no juice? Biggest load of shit I've heard In awhile.
 
King 604 said:
Eithor that or RADAR shoved them off the tomato truck and the smoked their head!

PS

I'm 180lbs and I bench 680 for 8 reps and I'm all natural

:p
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Yea I don't argue that it's not possible natty but 6 weeks? Who the fuck believes that shit. Take years of dedication propper training and heavy dieting to be like that an stay that way. Unless he's claiming medical marvel....jus sayin'
 
RADAR said:
well for one thing i didn't just ride in on a tomato truck. I Know this stuff ,just like steve does.
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maybe my post was hard to follow, or you just read it wrong...
he definately ran a cycle, im not arguing that...
steve said that the guy 'only relied on juice'...
thats where i disagree... you dont get like that without putting in work and eating... what i was getting at is that he may have looked like that in the past before his 'before' pics, and is usually in shape, but got out of shape for the contest...
i dont think anyone here should be commenting on his work ethic, that just seems petty...
his honesty sure does come into question... i dont think juicers should lie when asked, it gives a false message, primarily if you are past your natural limit...
i know a bb chick locally that denies juicing, and she tells everyone they can look just like her if they JUST work as hard as her... she looks like a freak (disgusting imo...) and nobody could ever look like her natty... i feel sad for all the women that are busting their ass and not getting to that level that she ensures they will reach...
 
^^^ not at all Moya. go back and read what i wrote.

I said "good for him for transforming himself.

it was a combination of muscle memory/genetics and not just juicing but a tremendous diet and hardcore workouts in the gym. he also probably ran some strong things like Clen or slin."

whether it took him 4 years or he ran a lot of juice it still was an impressive transformation for anyone to accomplish so i give him credit for his hard work. I'm guessing he is lying cause it was a natty only contest or cause they are not allowed to talk about juicing on that forum, or maybe he doesn't want his family/friends knowing he juices.. who knows the reason.. but thats cool if he wants to lie but i hope those other newbs on that site don't think they can go on a paleo diet and after 12 weeks look like that.. its very misleading for him to bait them into thinking that.
 
Far as I know BB.com forums and site don't have any kind of steroids, PHs,Sarms,Cycle support, etc. talk or support.

Also depends on who sponsored the contest. MusclePharm is running one through BB.com right now and they are big on more natural and non sports banned supps. So he prob just doesn't talk about it because its taboo over there and those with sense just know. I cruised that site plenty and there are plenty of transformations that were short and incredible and hard to believe natural. Last years winner was the same in my opinion.
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ not at all Moya. go back and read what i wrote.

I said "good for him for transforming himself.

it was a combination of muscle memory/genetics and not just juicing but a tremendous diet and hardcore workouts in the gym. he also probably ran some strong things like Clen or slin."

whether it took him 4 years or he ran a lot of juice it still was an impressive transformation for anyone to accomplish so i give him credit for his hard work. I'm guessing he is lying cause it was a natty only contest or cause they are not allowed to talk about juicing on that forum, or maybe he doesn't want his family/friends knowing he juices.. who knows the reason.. but thats cool if he wants to lie but i hope those other newbs on that site don't think they can go on a paleo diet and after 12 weeks look like that.. its very misleading for him to bait them into thinking that.
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my bad, long day at work... i misread your post...
mondster is right about the site not allowing juice discussion anymore.... still shitty for the ones that dont know...
im thinking it was done in 6 weeks like the newspaper suggests... muscle memory is probably a very strong trait in his genes... PLJ did transform better than him by far IMO... he was waaaay higher bf than that kid when he started and i think he ended up a bit leaner imo...
 
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