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Think like a female bodybuilder to get that lean body you want

RottenWillow

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In this forum we frequently talk about the diet and training elements needed to obtain a hard, lean body, but it's been a little while since we pulled all that together in one thread to talk about the basic philosophy behind why those principles work.


Understandably, many of us develop our ideas about achieving fat loss from stuff we've read in woman's health magazines, and from our friends, and from our boyfriends and husbands. To get skinny for those revealing Summer clothes we cut calories and spin our asses off. The thought behind those activities is to lose fat. Lose fat. "I need to get rid of these fat thighs, these chunky hips, this paunchy belly". We only think about the fat.



Now think for a minute about how female bodybuilders (FBB) look. They are muscular and lean, right? Do we think a FBB would ever do anything to jeopardize her muscle mass? Not likely.

The FBB wants to build muscle for much of the year. Then, when shifting into competition phase, she works to preserve her hard won muscle while losing fat. But how is her fat loss regime different from that "typical woman" I characterized above? The FBB knows a few things the other woman does not, specifically:
1)The value of eating frequently throughout the day
2)Never allowing her calories to fall so far below its maintenance level that her body enters starvation mode
3)Always consuming enough protein to keep her skeletal muscle
4)Being careful to not do too much cardio.

Ulimately the FBB is able to create a very hard body using these principles because she pays attention to the muscle and the fat.



Ok, but I don't want to look like a female bodybuilder. Why are you telling me all this?

But you do want to look lean though, right? You do want to be able to still eat reasonably and be happy when you get to that ideal body shape, right? If so, you want to follow the FBB's same principles. Preserve all your current skeletal muscle and only lose the excess body fat. This is the way to go. Losing only the fat will keep your body's caloric demand higher because it will have more lean body tissue to nourish and you get to eat more calories and still look hard at the same time. Dude talk about having your cake and eating it too!

10 pounds of skeletal muscle require something like 600 calories every 24 hours. That means if you inadvertently lose that much muscle in your "typical woman" diet regime, that's 600 calories fewer every day you can not eat if you want to maintain that new lower body weight.




Ok let's close with an illustration. (those of you with reading overload at this point can take a break and come back later)

Kristina weighs 160lbs and has 35% bodyfat, which gives her a lean body mass of about 104lbs. She cuts her calories to 1000 every day and does 60 minutes of spinning every morning, seven days a week. In 12 weeks she's down to 130lbs and 26% bodyfat. So she's a success, right? That's 9% bodyfat dropped. She can get into that bikini from 3 seasons ago so she's happy....sort of. She notices that if she eats even one cheat meal weekly she gains a pound, which never used to happen.

Problem is Kristina now has a lean body mass of 96.2lbs. She's lost 8 pounds of muscle along with that fat! Now her body needs something like 480 fewer calories every day to maintain itself, which means it's going to be considerably harder for her to stay this size than it was 3 seasons ago.

Joanna weighs 195 and is 38% bodyfat, which gives her an LBM of 120.9. She calculates her daily caloric needs and ensures she eats 200-350 below that every day. She spins 30 minutes, 4 days a week and does a total body weightlifting workout the remaining 3 days. In 24 weeks she weighs 165 and has a bodyfat percentage of 25%. This gives her an LBM of 123.75, a gain of 2.85lbs. Jo has actually gained a bit of muscle while losing a substantial amount of fat. Jo likes her curvy figure and decides she's reached her goal. She finds she can eat the same number of calories as before (though from different sources) and really enjoy her food.
 
Thanks RW excellent post and examples. Really good.
 
Absolute fantastic, illustrative post!!! Thank you, RottenWillow!
 
I think I :heart: you!


I noticed the magazine cover featuring Lisa Marie Presley the other day. The headline screamed "Lisa Marie BLOWS up to 165 lbs!" I was cracking up as that is around my weight right now and because of the muscle I'm carrying around my 165 looks nothing like her on the cover (which may have been a lie anyway, but still!)

Anyway, what a great post! The serendipitous affects of Weightlifting are endless for me. I liken my love for Oxygen Magazine and my following of Female body builders and fitness models to my friends love for VOGUE magazine and what's hot on the runways in Paris. It's to the extreme, over the top. I'm inspired by Ava Cowan and Jamie Eason and if I fall short and am just a hot mom...cool. I'm not gonna cry that I didn't make it to being a fitness icon but damn it's more fun than being a fat ass. lol

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I think I :heart: you!


I noticed the magazine cover featuring Lisa Marie Presley the other day. The headline screamed "Lisa Marie BLOWS up to 165 lbs!" I was cracking up as that is around my weight right now and because of the muscle I'm carrying around my 165 looks nothing like her on the cover (which may have been a lie anyway, but still!)

Anyway, what a great post! The serendipitous affects of Weightlifting are endless for me. I liken my love for Oxygen Magazine and my following of Female body builders and fitness models to my friends love for VOGUE magazine and what's hot on the runways in Paris. It's to the extreme, over the top. I'm inspired by Ava Cowan and Jamie Eason and if I fall short and am just a hot mom...cool. I'm not gonna cry that I didn't make it to being a fitness icon but damn it's more fun than being a fat ass. lol

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You're post made me remember an image I've seen before, this seems like a good thread to add it to.

This is a picture representing the difference in size between five pounds of fat versus five pounds of muscle (the old, five pounds of feathes, five pounds of iron analogy):
fat%20vs%20muscle.jpg
 
Great post! This is what inspires me to pick up the weights instead of just doing cardio. Now I just need to keep reminding myself to EAT :)
 
im glad i came across this thread willow...in trying to overcome my calorie mindfuck. thanks! im going out to eat a steak. lol...
 
This is great! How do I calculate my numbers of calories needed and good body fat %. Thanks for the info, this captures why I am on this site.
 
This is great! How do I calculate my numbers of calories needed and good body fat %. Thanks for the info, this captures why I am on this site.

Check out the stickie near the top of this forum with "START HERE" in the title. It was quite a lot of great basic information linked within it. One of them is a link to a thread about calculating one's caloric demands.
 
I told you this site was worthless without you. Keep on bumping and make it worth something. Great read!
 
Really great writeup with a lot of useful information. There are many that let the scale dictate what they term as "results" when in actuality, there is quite more to it as you have pointed out... LMB, BF% etc.. are much more important than a simple number on the scale... Implementing a plan that will help to maintain lean body mass while still losing fat and overall weight is very difficult for many but definitely attainable and you have given a nice formula on how to do so... I have been lucky to be able to do the amounts of cardio that I do while still adding lean muscle but it is very attainable... Thank you for providing this information... It is very valuable and hopefully it will be looked at by many here...
 
My girlfriend really needs to take a look at this post. The examples will better help her understand lol. I sure as hell can't get through to her when I'm trying to explain this shit so maybe she'll get it reading this post. Maybe she just needs a woman's perspective on dieting rather than asking me for mine
 
Very good and informative post, that more females need to follow. In the fitness industry, more and more females fall under false guidance based on false information. What many fail to realize, is that the things they are doing is causing more harm than good. Here are some of the things I see and hear, and some of the things women need to realize to get the body they work so hard to obtain.

-many females use the saying "I need to lose weight", when the phrase they are looking for is actually "I need to lose fat".

-The mirror is your best friend, and the scale can lie to you and be your worst enemy

-you don't get drastic results by taking drastic measures. Dipping your daily caloric intake too low, while doing too much cardio can slow your metabolism to a snails pace and result in metabolic crash. That's why you see some women competitors that can't seem to lose that last bit of bodyfat, and find out they are eating 800 cals a day and doing 2 hours of cardio!

-Many women think they will turn into bodybuilders if they touch a weight, which couldn't be any farther from the truth. What they will get is a hardened and toned physique over time, that is a more efficient fat burning machine! That doesn't mean to stick to the colored DBs either. Don't be afraid of resistance!
 
Where are all you guys when all the other threads go up??
 
Thanks for posting this and to everyone that replied. I feel the way women are thinking about fitness and achieving the look they're after is changing, slowly, but I think the "correct" way to do it is catching on.
I'm very reluctant to talk to my non female bbing friends about what i do and how i do it because, frankly they don't believe me. Magazines like Shape, and almost every other main stream mag has convinced women that 1200 calorie diets, hours of cardio and pink DB's are the way to get that body they're after. All in 6 weeks. A friend actually just said a personal trainer at the gym promised her a 6 pack in 30 days. I seriously laughed out loud. She's super new to fitness btw, no lifting experience whatsoever. I said that is absolutely impossible and briefly explained why.
I pretty much got a blank stare back.

I don't care if your goal is to gain one pound of muscle or 20, you gotta hit those weights, and hard. You want to cut fat? Keep your protein high and weight on the bar. A deficit can and will do the fat cutting, while lifting heavy preserves your muscle.
Women need to think about 10, 15, 30 years down the road, osteoporosis? No thanks. I have fibromyalgia, most people would use that as an excuse, me? No way! I want to get my body as strong as possible and stay off meds for as long as possible so I'm gonna train balls to the wall every day, if I stop I might not be able to start again.

Guys, get your girls on here, myself and the few other women that post would be more than willing to help them no matter what the goal. If they're afraid or embarrassed PM's work too :-)
 
RW, great post! I'm glad you bumped it.

This is something I've been trying to explain to my wife and daughter for some years now. But you've explained and detailed it much better. My daughter is 17 and competes in high school sports. I'm constantly trying to improve her fitness IQ and this will be valuable info for her.

Great post.
 
Man am I happy I stumbled across this thread, My wife is constantly talking about wanting to lose weight ( she's crazy.. She looks fine) but she will endlessly run cardio, or bike, or eliptical while hardly consuming enough calories to even reach her daily requirements. And then wonders why the scale hardly moves, or why a small cheat meal sets her back days. Maybe this post will help shed some light on the situation , for god sake I can't even throw a handful of oats into our blender without having to be forced to consume the whole thing and make another for her. Let alone go to my fav Mexican burrito joint ... I'm getting worked up now, thx for the great post :)
 
It's all good guys.
 
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