Things You Don't Need

[lartinos]

reminds me of the old JA V. Nelson threads.

 

[Nelson Montana]

reminds me of the old JA V. Nelson threads.

Nah, not at all. JA was just a shitbag gnat who liked to harass me and the reigning mods did nothing about it because they had an agenda where they'd monopolize the board.

In doing so, they could say what they wanted and do what they wanted and have complete control over what products were promoted -- their own of course.

The site was sinking into a cesspool of cronyism. This is NOTHING like that!

The site is a thousand times improved, more versatile, more open, more respectful with better information and smarter members. Discussions are lively without nastiness and if anyone makes personal attacks, they're slapped down right quick. Props to Rick, George, Frank, and the current mods for that.

 

[joe d]

just learned in my neuropsychology class that testosterone doesnt plau a role in sex drive for males, ie high test doesnt mean the person will have a high sex drive.. one of the points that was made was that orchidectomies were performed on sex offenders to lower their sex drives and they little or no effect.. just thought id throw that out there, never used gear so i cant really say much more

then why im i hornier than a 13 yr old boy at a lesbo sex party on my test cycles?

 

[Wulfgar]

Fact of the matter is MOST guys dont NEED anything but proper food/ a few vitamins/ hard training/ and adequate rest to achieve all their goals

 

[Juicin]

Truer words have not been said. Insulin latches on to glucose. It will either shutle it into a mucle cell or a fat cell. And there is really no way to control waht cell it goes to.

This is why type 2 diabetics, insulin resistant, get so fat. The insulin can't get into the muscle cells so it all goes into the fat cells. The muscles are starving and the fat is getting fatter.

Not really the way it works but you have the right idea. also insulin resistance causes lack of insulin activity in all cells not just muscle cells.

 

[aquatic_glories]

Not really the way it works but you have the right idea. also insulin resistance causes lack of insulin activity in all cells not just muscle cells.

Can you tell us the things you know please??
How exactly does that work??

thanks

 

[Juicin]

Can you tell us the things you know please??
How exactly does that work??

thanks

sure
Insulin binds to insulin receptors in cell membranes of almost all cells in the body. The insulin receptor if i remember correctly is a JAK (tyrosine kinase) that autophosphorylates itself for action. The Insulin bound receptor complex is subsequently internalized by the cell, where under various and complicated mechanisms activates glucose transporters mainly the glut-4 transporter. The glut-4 transporter when not acted on by insulin remains packaged intracellularly. When it s activated, the glut-4 is translocated to the cell membrane where it can facillitate the uptake of glucose into the cell.

So it is not insulin that carries glucose into the cell, but it does facillitate its uptake.

Insulin not only affects the uptake of glucose into cells, but also the uptake of amino acids and the uptake of fats and triglycerides into adipose (fat) cells.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Fact of the matter is MOST guys dont NEED anything but proper food/ a few vitamins/ hard training/ and adequate rest to achieve all their goals

Well, they're not going to look like you fuck I wish I did, but you're right...most think steroids are magic...they're not...they're not everything

 

[viciousness]

It seems almost anti-message board to dismiss some the things people spend time discussing, but in all my years in the sport I've come to realize there are some substances that either don't have merit, aren't as good as once believed, or have been replaced with something better. So my question is; Why still use them?

Here is my list of things you do not need.

Nolvadex:

This was the brainchild of Dan Duchaine. He was thr first to realizr that if steroids convert to estrogen, use an anti estrogen! It prevented gyno in guys who were using high dosages of dbol. Very smart, But nolva isn't the greatest anti e. It lowers IGF. Destroys HDL and oblitarates libido in most guys. In short, it sucks. Even Dan admitted it didn't work all that well and there were better choices. This was in 1998. 10 years later, people still use it. And in 99% of the cases it does nothing.

Deca:

Another good idea that just doesn't pan out. By being a NOR androgen they thought they could circumvent the androgenic side effects of steroids, but the concept backfired. It is MORE suppressive than straight testosterone. It also bloats every bit as much as testosterone and the bloat comes from an increase in progesterone, not prolactin -- making dosinex useless to combat the bloat and impotence. (Though people keep trying).

Clenbuterol:

How a stimlant, which is catabolic became known as an anti catabolic is beyond me. The effects of Clen are very short lived and the sides are horrible. OTC stims are just as good at fat loss, but using stims for fat loss isn;t the best idea. Most OTC are the same but I have to give a shout to Omega's Lipoflame. It kicks ass and sicne the ingredients of most products are the same, you might as well get something that's a good price and supports the site.

Insulin:

Want to increase insulin after a workout? Drink a jug of Gatordade! Vanadyl sulfate increases insulin as well. And I'll go on the record as saying taking a BIG BLAST after each workout will work as well, if not better. And it won't kill you if you take too much.


Clomid:

Oh, how I hate this shit. I also love how people say it increases seninal volume. Pure rumor, myth and wishful thinking. It LOWERS it. It effects mood, causes depression, can impair sight, cause cancer and in some guys like myself, completely kill libido. This is a drug that was never intended for men. It is an estrogen. Chances are , if it "worked" for you, it was IN SPITE of using it, not because of it. Clomid seems to be benificial in about 20% of the people using it and disastrous in the rest. Today, with products like Alpha Sustain and POST CYCLE as well as superior anti e's like arimidex and aromasan, taking Clomid is like using a rotary phone. There's really no point.

Proviron:

I love Proviron. But UNLEASHED is so damn close to it and it's non supressive and non toxic, I really can't justify using Proviron for the anti SHBG effects.

T3:

It's nuts to use this stuff to burn fat. It will only suppress your thyroid and the 5 pounds you lose will quickly come back and you run the risk of having a sub par thyroid the rest of your life. Don't be an asshole! Use ZIP to hype the tyroid safely.

Growth Hormone:

The most overrated compound in bodybuilding. Sure, if you're a pro and need that extra 2%, you have to use it. But compare the results you'd get from $100 of GH to $100 of testosterone. No contest. GH also is far more dangerous than many are willing to accept. Bodybuilding dosages put you at the risk of many cancers. No worth it. You want GH? Squat and sleep!

Anavar:

First of all, there's nothing var dos that primo doesn't do better. Secondly, I'd stack 25 mgs a day of dbol against 50 mgs of var and the dbol wins. Sure, you get some bloat but a little DEFINITION takes care of that as long as you work up a sweat in your workouts. Besides, a little bloat increases size and strength. Var is weak, overpriced and overrated. There are better options -- mainly, almost any other oral.

Dostinex:

I'm not saying this is NEVER needed but it's need a lot less often than people think. Before you use Dos, CHECK YOUR PROLACTIN LEVEL:S. Don't assume. It has serious side effects. And Mucana Purians lowers prolactin naturally pretty well as does zinc, Vit E and B6.

HCG:

I've never been impressed with HCG but it had its place. It never really "cured" anything but it does give the HPTA a little jump start which helps in recovery. The problem is , people think it actually helps restore the HPTA, which it does not. Also, we've all heard about "Ledig sensitization" though no one can gauge it. After using HCG only once every other month for 2 years I have to say, it seems to do nothing anymore. HMG is the shit. Instead of mimicking LH, it actually increases it, getting the body to work in a more natural manner. It can be used to take a break from gear, as a recovery agent and as an adjunct to HRT. It also is the most powerful sex stimulant on the planet.


That's it bros. Add your own if you like. And although there may be some who will disagree at first, it will become evident that this list is accurate. These are obsolete compounds. It's time to move into the 21st century of anabolic enhancement. That means becoming aware of better products, better techniques, and most importantly, letting go of outdated thinking.

LOL no joke this was the illest plug ive ever read. people should by the products just on the strength of the obama like mind controling!

 

[Nelson Montana]

LOL no joke this was the illest plug ive ever read. people should by the products just on the strength of the obama like mind controling!

Obama -like mind controlling? Whoa! Well, I think there are some legitimate issues here. And sure, there are a few alternatives (some of which not my products) but keep in mind, I designed my products to be alternatives to what I found to be lousy drugs. As for HMG, that's just a recent discovery and I was giving a heads up. No one has to try it and it would change my bank account one dime. But as bodybuilders who see themselves on the cutting edge, it's something we should all know about.