There never was a Jesus

[Robert Jan]

Certainly if there has really been a Jesus and he caused the things he is supposed to have caused, Philo of Alexandria and Flavius Josephus would have mentioned him somewhere in their detailed notes of this time, which included comment on the events in the area of jesus' life.

The passage in Tacitus' "Annales" liber XV, caput 44 that describes the trial and execution of a Jesus is simply a later editing, not written until some hundreds of years later, simply a fraud.

There is no Eastern religion, in which some sacred virgin doesnt give birth to a Messiah. Not only is Christianity untrue, its also shamelessly unoriginal.

 

[Gymgurl]

Some one is stiring the pot this morning

 

[from zero]

Some one is stiring the pot this morning

Yeah. Stir that motherfucker, RJ!!

 

[c-sharp minor]

Amazingly, the question of an actual historical Jesus rarely confronts the religious believer. The power of faith has so forcefully driven the minds of most believers, and even apologetic scholars, that the question of reliable evidence gets obscured by tradition, religious subterfuge, and outrageous claims.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

hehe

 

[Buddy_Christ]

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

hehe

summarize. that's a lot to read.

i've often marveled at how others can instill such belief into something that someone else tells them is true.

jesus may have been a real person, who knows. but voices speaking from the sky and all sorts of other stories in the bible that claim devine intervention and what not...honestly, if half those stories were true, don't you think that someone would've stepped in before/during/after 9/11 and taken care of some problems? and what about all the wars we've fought?

however, i'm still going to order 2 buddy christs. one for my dashboard and one for on top of my moniter

 

[c-sharp minor]

i've often marveled at how others can instill such belief into something that someone else tells them is true.

I agree 100%.

Here is the end of the article.



Conclusion

Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. For example, consider some of the bogus claims that supposedly come from many eyewitness accounts of alien extraterrestrials and their space craft. They not only assert eyewitnesses but present blurry photos to boot! If we can question these accounts, then why should we not question claims that come from hearsay even more? Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live.

Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.

Of course a historical Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed. A myth may have occurred out of faithful beliefs about a Christ. Perhaps the stories resulted from an integration of many would-be messiahs. We can concoct and invent many scenarios. But these come only from speculation and guesses. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus "the Christ." We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.

So if you hear anyone who claims to have evidence for a witness of a historical Jesus, simply ask for the author's birth date. Anyone who's birth occurred after an event cannot serve as an eyewitness, nor can their words alone serve as evidence for that event.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

good point at the end there. without actual evidence to support it, why should we believe? if that's the case, then i'm going to start telling women that they'll live forever if they have sex with me whenever i ask them to.

 

[Robert Jan]

hehe

 

[Robert Jan]

good point at the end there. without actual evidence to support it, why should we believe? if that's the case, then i'm going to start telling women that they'll live forever if they have sex with me whenever i ask them to.

Many people did this sort of thing. Most cult leaders have sex with their followers. Baghwan at some time has women fighting over who could wipe his ass

 

[c-sharp minor]

hehe

 

[Buddy_Christ]

ok, i'm starting a cult now.

 

[Robert Jan]

ok, i'm starting a cult now.

please be original though. dont make it something about aliens or something

 

[Buddy_Christ]

i've got some ideas. we'll see which one i settle on.

 

[75th]

About 3 years ago in TIME magazine they had a great article on Jesus, and were able to provide a good amount of evidence (records) that there was indeed a man named Jesus who was crucified around that time (Im not saying exactly 32-33ad, but around there). They also found records of his burial.

 

[Aerojaxx]

Truth is a revelation....no one comes to God lest the spirit draws them. You do not have the ability to decide if you will or will not believe in Jesus. It is not about believing, though you must believe to inherit...more about a divine revelation and a experience. I can assure you that Jesus is real. I speak of an exprerience which will never be at the mercy of an argument. I caution you that you are not immortal and he was, is and will always will be. You need revelation. Life is but yet a vapor....here today..gone tomorrow. Nothing that you know of in this world is eternal...behold, all things pass away.

 

[jackangel]

Truth is a revelation....no one comes to God lest the spirit draws them. You do not have the ability to decide if you will or will not believe in Jesus. It is not about believing, though you must believe to inherit...more about a divine revelation and a experience. I can assure you that Jesus is real. I speak of an exprerience which will never be at the mercy of an argument. I caution you that you are not immortal and he was, is and will always will be. You need revelation. Life is but yet a vapor....here today..gone tomorrow. Nothing that you know of in this world is eternal...behold, all things pass away.

mods, please move this to the ambiguous platitudes board. thanks.

 

[BO-DEN]

Certainly if there has really been a Jesus and he caused the things he is supposed to have caused, Philo of Alexandria and Flavius Josephus would have mentioned him somewhere in their detailed notes of this time, which included comment on the events in the area of jesus' life.

The passage in Tacitus' "Annales" liber XV, caput 44 that describes the trial and execution of a Jesus is simply a later editing, not written until some hundreds of years later, simply a fraud.

There is no Eastern religion, in which some sacred virgin doesnt give birth to a Messiah. Not only is Christianity untrue, its also shamelessly unoriginal.

you have alot of good points... the summarian story of a phrophet named "ADDIS" his life story mirrors jesus

-virgin mother
-religious leader
-persicuted by his goverment
-crucified on a tree

BO-DEN

 

[jonny jacked]

for the atheists of the board. I suggest this book written by Lee Strobel
"The Case For Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus."

 

[Deleted member 33117]

About 3 years ago in TIME magazine they had a great article on Jesus, and were able to provide a good amount of evidence (records) that there was indeed a man named Jesus who was crucified around that time (Im not saying exactly 32-33ad, but around there). They also found records of his burial.

??? I'm actually a Christian, but I find it rather odd that you said "a man named Jesus who was crucified...". That proof would not help us, since other historicial records show that the Catholic church renamed him "Jesus" centuries after his death in order to help convert Greeks to Christianity by making the name similiar to the Greek god "Zues". I know that statement will anger a few of the other Christians on here, but those are the facts. The name "Jesus" did not appear in any of the early Christian writings that our new testment was later translated from.

 

[redshirt27se]

I thought it had been proved that a person named Jesus existed. I always thought the big controversy was over what he actually accomplished and that most of the bible stories were exaggerated or wrongly translated. Then there are the other religions who believe in Jesus, but just say he wasn't Christ, just a dude.

 

[c-sharp minor]

I thought it had been proved that a person named Jesus existed. I always thought the big controversy was over what he actually accomplished and that most of the bible stories were exaggerated or wrongly translated. Then there are the other religions who believe in Jesus, but just say he wasn't Christ, just a dude.

This is something I am more apt to believe. ('cept the actual name)

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Personally, I do not judge those of you who do not accept Christ. I am a Christian, and have personal reasons for believing. The choice to believe in what you will, or even to chose to believe in nothing is a choice that each of us must make for themselves. Many Christians have told you that you are a bad person or are going to hell for not believing as we do, but that is not what the Bible teaches. Christ taught tolerance and forgiveness. We are commanded to walk among non-believers and talk to them about to gospel, but we are not to judge others , or seperate ourselves from non-believers. The "holier than thou" attitude that alot of us possess today is the same hypocrisy that He spoke against, and the same attitude that led them to crucify Him.

 

[VascularRocks]

for the atheists of the board. I suggest this book written by Lee Strobel
"The Case For Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus."

Lee Strobel was an atheist, and editor for a major newspaper, compelled to prove Jesus was a fake. After traveling the world over and looking at the evidence, found the truth. Great book!

 

[redshirt27se]

Its one thing to exaggerate stories, but I mean make up a guy completely? If thats the case you would have to discount a lot of history as well. Just because you cannot prove something 100% doesnt mean it should be treated as false. Everything starts out as a theory until proven fact, but we don't treat all theories as false.

 

[VascularRocks]

jesus may have been a real person, who knows. but voices speaking from the sky and all sorts of other stories in the bible that claim devine intervention and what not...honestly, if half those stories were true, don't you think that someone would've stepped in before/during/after 9/11 and taken care of some problems? and what about all the wars we've fought?

I thought this was an interesting response,

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson
asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks
on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've
been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government
and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can
we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He
leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt
not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as ourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they
misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might
damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an
expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they
don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out.
I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

 

[Moderate_THIS]

please be original though. dont make it something about aliens or something

or karma

 

[Forge]

I personally believe that Jesus did exist, but that he was simply a man and not the son of God. I think he was a Jewish King who became a great leader, so great that the Romans felt it necessary to crucify him. After his death, his legend grew and became more than it originally was. In other words, exaggerated. Eventually this supernatural Jesus was used as the basis for Christianity. Having the son of God as your messiah is alot more powerful than having a Jewish King as the messiah.

Most of Christianity is pieced together from various other religions, including much of Jesus' own life history.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

worst thread ever.

 

[justyxxxx]

"Get out of our lives" - how many Christians are there? Millions and they're not saying this! Using this logic, couldn't they have done something to stop this since they are the majority?

Religious discussions get so boring and responses like hers just don't make any sense to those of us who see a large number of everyday Christians making hateful and ignorant statements everyday. There are plenty of Christians in the world and I don't know who she is trying to get to believe that there aren't.

What about when Christians were beating black people before these "new laws"? What about Christians killing witches before these "new laws"? What about World War I and II? Were the majority of Christians pushing God out of there lives then?

This statement doesn't seem interesting at all to me . . . and I'm trying to be as nice as possible when saying that.

I thought this was an interesting response,

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson
asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks
on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've
been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government
and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can
we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He
leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt
not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as ourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they
misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might
damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an
expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they
don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out.
I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

 

[Burning_Inside]

I believe in cold hard facts. The total lack of regards religious people have for facts such as those in the links given above gets to me. Mountains and mountains of evidence. Yet they still believe. Ugh. I think 90% of people who are religious never did one second's worth of research into this whole mess to even bother to find out of what they believe in is REALLY true. That's sad how blind some people can be. Then they sometimes will have the nerve to attempt to argue about it with you. All they know is what they've been told, which sadly, is often nothing but "god made everything, jesus died for your sins." Wow. Rarely will you ever run into a believer anymore who has even read, nevermind comprehended the book they bae their beliefs around. Sheep indeed. Even those who did do their homework into their religion..They refuse to look at the logical side of it all; the mass amounts of evidence supporting the views that there is no god, no Jesus, etc. It's like some people just refuse to even try and comprehend there is no jesus or god, and that everything was made by something far greater than any human could ever imagine at the time this chrstianity stuff was written.

 

[jonny jacked]

Lee Strobel was an atheist, and editor for a major newspaper, compelled to prove Jesus was a fake. After traveling the world over and looking at the evidence, found the truth. Great book!

yes, he wrote for the chicago tribune for 13 years and was a "spiritual skeptic" until 81' when he set out to find the truth. today, he serves as teaching pastor at Willow Creek Community Church in Chicago

 

[jonny jacked]

??? I'm actually a Christian, but I find it rather odd that you said "a man named Jesus who was crucified...". That proof would not help us, since other historicial records show that the Catholic church renamed him "Jesus" centuries after his death in order to help convert Greeks to Christianity by making the name similiar to the Greek god "Zues". I know that statement will anger a few of the other Christians on here, but those are the facts. The name "Jesus" did not appear in any of the early Christian writings that our new testment was later translated from.

interesting point. derived from greek Iwsous and latin Iesus. we got jesus from a combination of hebew, greek, and latin (Yahshua).

I originally miss-read your post bbf

 

[Robert Jan]

OF course nobody ever called him Jesus even if he DID exist.

He spoke Hebrew. you guys are losing it

 

[HodgeMN]

Jesus is nothing more than a first century political construct. The gospels, written 40 to 70 years after Jesus' stated death, were composed in a time when Christianity was desperately trying to break away from being a sect in Judasim. The reason for this desire to break away was due to the Jewish rebellion against the Roman Empire. The Christians did not want to be slaughtered as the Jews were (although many Chrisitans were indeed later killed for their beliefs). The gospels were "politically motivated" and influenced by the events going on when they were written. That is why the Jews, especially the preisthood, were portrayed in such a negative way in them and the Romans in a positive way. The gospels are nothing more than first century political spin at its best.

 

[silver_shadow]

Certainly if there has really been a Jesus and he caused the things he is supposed to have caused, Philo of Alexandria and Flavius Josephus would have mentioned him somewhere in their detailed notes of this time, which included comment on the events in the area of jesus' life.

The passage in Tacitus' "Annales" liber XV, caput 44 that describes the trial and execution of a Jesus is simply a later editing, not written until some hundreds of years later, simply a fraud.

There is no Eastern religion, in which some sacred virgin doesnt give birth to a Messiah. Not only is Christianity untrue, its also shamelessly unoriginal.

good post . here is a slightly different take on it that may interest u. i was watching this prog on bbc world a few yrs ago abt the dead sea scrolls. they were written in hebrew and apparently hebrew has no written vowels. as the reader reads along he is supposed to add his own vowels! so apparently with one set of vowels, they talk abt these fantastical miracles that happened (which were described in the bible) and with another set of vowels, it gives the same story but in a mundane way which is believable. the point is that there are HISTORIANS that believe that what is in the bible is not untrue but just described in a more poetic way. they say that jesus was probably a very real person but contrary to religious belief, he wasn't the "son of god". he was probably just a rebellious young man. u have to remember that the bible was neither written by christ himself nor was it written during his time- it was written much later and there is a possibility that it was doctored the first time as well as later. remember jesus was born in the middle east and the bible was written hundreds of miles away in europe.
u see, there is actual historical evidence that he might have wandered east and learnt abt eastern religions. there is some evidence (though not conclusive and certainly not widely known) that he did pass thro kashmir which is the northern most part of india. staunch christians ridicule the idea bcoz supposedly christ never wandered more than 150 miles from bethlehem. but why then does the bible wipe out 18 yrs of his life- we have a sketchy account of his childhood up to the age of 12. then, we learn about what he did between the age of 30 and 33 when he was crucified. that is 18 yrs unaccounted for, more than half of his life and certainly the most important yrs. based on the little historical evidence, he may have wandered east as i said. but apparently he learnt so much of eastern spiritualism, that the catholic church which regarded it as paganism perhaps thought that it should be covered up. so there is a good chance that christ did exist but certainly christianity as we know it today is not quite what christ himself put forward. and by the way, in case anyone is wondering, i am indian myself but i'm not a hindu- i'm catholic.

 

[silver_shadow]

as for things like 9/11 and wars- well here's my take. sure they are bad things. but the bitter truth i believe is that man actually needs to suffer to know true happiness. happiness loses it's meaning without suffering. jesus himself suffered. if u see all the great religions, the holy ppl in all of them suffered- another example is the buddha.

 

[manny78]

Where is Curling ?

 

[Robert Jan]

as for things like 9/11 and wars- well here's my take. sure they are bad things. but the bitter truth i believe is that man actually needs to suffer to know true happiness. happiness loses it's meaning without suffering. jesus himself suffered. if u see all the great religions, the holy ppl in all of them suffered- another example is the buddha.

pretty ignorant and simplistic. There is MORE than enough suffering in this world

 

[silver_shadow]

pretty ignorant and simplistic. There is MORE than enough suffering in this world

actually i find the traditional idea that suffering is all bad simplistic. remember i come from a country that knows enough abt suffering so i'm not just talking thro my rear end- it's a little bit of cynicism bcoz of the fact that i see so much suffering. the first thing that hits europeans or americans when they come to india is the misery of the majority- guess what- when u see that day in and day out it hardly equates to ignorance.

 

[Robert Jan]

Maybe I should come over and rape your sister and steal your car and shoot you in the knees then

 

[silver_shadow]

look i didn't say that i'm inviting someone to make my life miserable. but when shitty things do happen, there is precious little i can do- rather than gripe abt my luck and stew abt it, i can let it go a lot easier by just accepting that misery is as much a part of life as happiness. that sounds simplistic i know but it has helped me get on with my life when i broke up with the girl i loved more than anything else, or when i lost my mum to cancer when i was 19.

 

[Robert Jan]

another nice way to get along would be to go on LSD every day of your life

 

[silver_shadow]

what's ur point?

 

[Robert Jan]

That While im discussing things rationally you let me know you decided to make up some theory you dont support but makes things easier to deal with

 

[silver_shadow]

what theory did i make up which i don't support??!! now u really have me foxed!

 

[Robert Jan]

You say its ok there is pain because it creates balance. But you dont want anything to happen to your family, so you do know it sucks.

 

[silver_shadow]

You say its ok there is pain because it creates balance. But you dont want anything to happen to your family, so you do know it sucks.

ok- i'll try to elaborate.

i still say pain is necessary- that isn't entirely what i "made up", ie it isn't really original (but that doesn't matter). all great ppl including jesus (if he did exist) brought suffering upon THEMSELVES. the distinction has to be made between entirely personal suffering and suffering involving others. when i wish suffering on my family, i suffer, but so do they- have u heard of any truly good ppl wishing such a thing? i think not. sometimes in order to gain something, suck as it may, we have to bear the pain- no pain no gain. so we know it sucks, but just bcoz we choose to chicken out doesn't mean we do not believe that pain is actually needed- just quite simply that we are not man enough to bear pain. look- even when my mum died- i had to let go- it was HER life and it took some time for that to sink in. ok- take her own attitude to it- the doc told her that she didn't have more than 6mths to live. imagine being in that situation. take a moment to think what it would be like to know that you WILL die 6mths from now and that the only thing that can save u is a miracle. most folks would never let go and would die a pretty miserable death. happily enough, my mother died peacefully- she did manage to let go. that is called confronting pain and not suffering and making everyone else feel miserable. and i personally have gone the drinking route when things were not going right. i used to be sloshed at 9 in the morning. i can tell u that the only way to truly have peace of mind come what may is to accept that shitty things do happen- bad exeriences teach u lessons. but it is up to u to learn the lessons. i hope all this makes sense to others.

 

[casualbb]

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson
asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks
on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've
been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government
and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can
we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He
leave us alone?"

So 9/11 happened because of separation of church and state? Good call.

Except for back in the middle ages, when every single European government was religious, things were pretty shitty. There goes that argument.

 

[torn]

Truth is a revelation....no one comes to God lest the spirit draws them. You do not have the ability to decide if you will or will not believe in Jesus. It is not about believing, though you must believe to inherit...more about a divine revelation and a experience. I can assure you that Jesus is real. I speak of an exprerience which will never be at the mercy of an argument. I caution you that you are not immortal and he was, is and will always will be. You need revelation. Life is but yet a vapor....here today..gone tomorrow. Nothing that you know of in this world is eternal...behold, all things pass away.

Scary person....

 

[Razorguns]

Here's a real stupid question.

WHO wrote the bible? Some guy on a mountain? Who's the author? What's to stop someone NOW to write some book that people a thousand years from now worship like gods.

I mean, what if a thousand years, people start worshipping Scientology like we do Christianity?

 

[Moderate_THIS]

WHO wrote the bible? Some guy on a mountain? Who's the author? What's to stop someone NOW to write some book that people a thousand years from now worship like gods.

Allow me answer on behalf of Bo-den. Aliens, sort-of, aliens, nothing.

 

[silver_shadow]

Here's a real stupid question.

What's to stop someone NOW to write some book that people a thousand years from now worship like gods.

I mean, what if a thousand years, people start worshipping Scientology like we do Christianity?

yes, it is quite possible that could happen. all that person has to do is have enough supporters now and there is a very real possibility. u have just highlighted the problem with organised religion.

 

[BrothaBill]

Here's a real stupid question.

WHO wrote the bible? Some guy on a mountain? Who's the author? What's to stop someone NOW to write some book that people a thousand years from now worship like gods.

I mean, what if a thousand years, people start worshipping Scientology like we do Christianity?

DUHHHHHH???? I Did!!!

And you did! see what Im saying!
We are all one. The answers have been inside you the whole time. You knew all of this. You created all of this. This reality. The jesus story. You did b/c you just lost your mind. YOure Cerazy! You are alone. What you perceive as images is all a creation of your mind, like an old folm projector. You are taling to yourself right now, calming yourself down. But there is nothing, but you out there. Alone, the creator, you whimsicially create things to make you feel comfortable. Little stories. A loop, You cannot die, the creator cannot die the mind mind cannot die......it keeps going
all youve been taught up to this point was what someone wrote in a book, who wrote it???Who made up math and evolution hahahha you did you did youdid This is just one more stage of learning that you go through, welcome to the matrix. This is is just one more lesson. Im the professor showing you the new reality if you BELIEVE!! DO YOU BELIEVE??? The matrix movie was based on me, Do you believe me?? hahhaha if you do its true.
hahhahaIts that simple. I AM YOUR SPIRIT GUIDE!!

If you choose!

Its always your choice, you control all of this and I will NEVER HARM you. But you must decide to choose to believe.

I will answer all your questions, make your dreams come true, if you believe. Do you believe me?
[email protected]

 

[avenirup]

Truth is a revelation....no one comes to God lest the spirit draws them. You do not have the ability to decide if you will or will not believe in Jesus. It is not about believing, though you must believe to inherit...more about a divine revelation and a experience. I can assure you that Jesus is real. I speak of an exprerience which will never be at the mercy of an argument. I caution you that you are not immortal and he was, is and will always will be. You need revelation. Life is but yet a vapor....here today..gone tomorrow. Nothing that you know of in this world is eternal...behold, all things pass away.

Do you also believe in Santa Clause???

 

[Forge]

Here's a real stupid question.

WHO wrote the bible? Some guy on a mountain? Who's the author? What's to stop someone NOW to write some book that people a thousand years from now worship like gods.

It's not a stupid question at all.

The Bible was created by the council of Nicea around 320 A.D. by order of Constantine of Rome. They created the Old Testatment by making small changes to the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew Bible, the book Jesus preached from, is a collection of religious writings from over 40 different authors across several continents over a period of more than 1500 years before Jesus, assembled into book form by Jewish priests around 400 B.C. Then the council of Nicea collected Christian writings post crucifixion and chose the ones that sounded most "divine". These became the New Testament. Many writings were rejected by the council, most of which did not depict Jesus as the flesh of God but as simply a man.

Constantine ordered the Bible created because the Christian religion was in a state of chaos, but becoming powerful. There were many sects of Christianity becaue they did not have a holy book or one point of worship, they had hundreds of scriptures and gospels scattered about, with different sects worshipping different "versions" of Jesus and God. Constantine knew that religion could be a powerful tool, so he had the council create one Holy Book to unite the Christians, or to better control them.

 

[avenirup]

to better control them.

That is all that needs to be said...this thread can end now...Thank you...

 

[milo hobgoblin]

I think its pretty well established with those who are not blind zealots that most of Christianity including those whole Jesus scam was stolen from Mithraism and half a dozen other religions.

Look at the similaritites to figures from the ancient Egyptian religion

They are:

Osiris-Dionysus is God made flesh, the savior and “Son of God.”

His father is God and his mother is a mortal virgin.

He is born in a cave or humble cowshed on December 25 before three shepherds.

He offers his followers the chance to be born again through the rites of baptism.

He miraculously turns water into wine at a marriage ceremony.

He dies at Easterrime as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.

After his death he descends to hell, then on the third day he rises from the dead and ascends to heaven in glory.

His followers await his return as the judge during the Last Days.

His death and resurrection are celebrated by a ritual meal of bread and wine, which symbolize his body and blood

 

[milo hobgoblin]

Oh yes I gorgot to add my favortie Christian ripoff...

Mithra, who was born on the Winter solstice also died on the cross.

It just sounds so familiar.

 

[Razorguns]

Exactly. In 2000 years, who knows what religion they'll be worshipping them. If religion is nothing more than some council picking and choosing various stories from authors over time -- rejecting what they don't like -- and then people "following" it. We can do the same thing now, and be immortalized like gods by future humans!

The battle of MassiveGuns vs Fonz on the Mount of Olympus! Chapter 7.

 

[Forge]

What amazes me is that Rome's Christianity is still so powerful and popular today, over a thousand years after the empire's fall. Just a testament to how powerful and vast the Roman empire truly was.

 

[buddy28]

I beleive in Christ.

 

[silver_shadow]

I beleive in Christ.

fair enough- that's ur personal choice.