There are so many different opinions i think we should come together and...

[Spidey]

I would suggest sticking to anabolics only and seeing how your body responds. Save the androgenics for later.

I think you may have to qualify that a little. What do you mean by anabolics and not androgenics? Every steroid has it's own risks and sides.

I vote for 50 - 60 mg tren ed with a little sust (300 mg/week) thrown in to keep the little soldier saluting. I know I gained 20 lbs in three weeks from just 50 mg ed tren with no added test. I added in 50 mg ed test prop at week 4 to keep up the sex drive but the pumps and strength from tren alone was fantastic. I had absolutely no sides except some minor night sweats. No hair-loss or acne and no increased aggression; just big muscles.

I would like to add here that after five weeks of tren (50 mg ed) and 1 week of test prop (50 mg ed), my liver enzyme levels and kidney values were completely unchanged from pre-cycle levels. The tren did NOTHING to harm my liver or kidneys.

-Spidey

 

[Nelson Montana]

You guys seriously think this is good advice for a first cycle? Wow.

Start with 200mgs of Primobolin a week OR 25 mgs of d-bol a day for 3 weeks. You'll do just fine.

Anyone who says this isn't enough for a first timer to put on solid size (8-10 pounds -- most of what you'll keep) never learned how to train and eat correctly.

 

[RdStrcklnd]

My opinion:

1-8 400-500mg enth or cyp
.5 mg arimidex or femera ed
Nolva/HCG post cycle

Thats it.

 

[TheProject]

My opinion:

1-8 400-500mg enth or cyp
.5 mg arimidex or femera ed
Nolva/HCG post cycle

Thats it.

A variation...

400mg cyp for 10 weeks

Nolva on hand if needed
Clomid post

 

[The Terminator]

Most of these are way too much gear for a first time user. You don't need a gram a week on your first time AND orals. This is a thread of mostly overkill cycles imo. 400-500 mg/test a week is plenty.

 

[Greek Freak]

I completely agree with terminator. You dont need to be stacking all sorts of things for your first cycle. A dbol 25-30 mg x4wks and deca 400 mg x10 wks cycle would be plenty, or a 400-500 mg test cycle like they said. Save all the heavy cycles and huge ammounts of gear for when you really need it, no need to put excess strain on your system for a couple pounds and risk getting bad sides. Some people can see good results off of 300 mg/wk, and dont need any more than that. A lot of it depends on the person but the first few cycles listed were more geared toward someone with a few cycles under their belt.

 

[Juicy-R6]

depending on size of the guy of course...but say he is atleast 200 lbs and averge height. i would suggest 500mg/wk test enanthate and 400mg/wk deca and 1mg/day liquidex.

same here

 

[mike1107]

depending on size of the guy of course...but say he is atleast 200 lbs and averge height. i would suggest 500mg/wk test enanthate and 400mg/wk deca and 1mg/day liquidex.

amen to that

 

[RdStrcklnd]

I would never recommend deca.

 

[Spidey]

Most of these are way too much gear for a first time user. You don't need a gram a week on your first time AND orals. This is a thread of mostly overkill cycles imo. 400-500 mg/test a week is plenty.

50 mg tren ed is only 350 mg/week. I would only add a small amont of test to keep up the sex drive. That's not "a gram a week total gear". Even if he took the upper limit of what I suggested, it would only be 650 mg/week total gear. You think that is overkill? While tren is a powerful AAS, I don't think it's any more dangerous or unsuitable for a first cycle than dbol or test for that matter. No one has been able to find any supporting information to indicate tren is hard on the kidneys or liver, only rumors. Conversely, dbol is commonly known to be liver toxic and test can have adverse effects due in part to aromatization to estradiol or reduction to dihydrotestosterone. Please tell me why what I suggest is not sound advise. I am not being sarcastic; I certainly don't want to be giving advise that hurts someone.

-Spidey