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fistfullofsteel
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Incredible. Flawless.
The way Ali moved around in a ring
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canadianhitman
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Tyson in his prime would have charged across the ring from the opening bell, muscled Ali into a corner or up against the ropes, and unleashed a flurry to KO him right quick....just like he did to everyone else during that time. Tyson's incredible speed and power in his prime cannot be overstated.
geoboy
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biteme said:
Ali had trouble with Frazier after the forced layoff. In his top fighting form, Ali beats Tyson everytime.
Worst case scenario, because he was such a smart fighter, even if he lost the first fight, he would win the next two.
There was no athelete like Ali before him, and no one since in terms of star power total package: speed, power, ability, looks, charisma, smarts.
every Ali fight was like the Super Bowl. Makes you tear up when you see him now......
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The Shadow
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Well......while Tyson want in his prime.....
Lewis/Tyson is as close to a ALi/Tyson match up as there will ever be....
well....Ali/Frazier comes to mind as well
Lewis/Tyson is as close to a ALi/Tyson match up as there will ever be....
well....Ali/Frazier comes to mind as well
Why does everyone think Ali was the greatest? COuld it be because he had such a big mouth and procliamed it everywhere he went so people believed him because they are sheep. THe man did not have that much power Geoboy. He was not a KO artist. He lost some fights as well. He was great, no doubt, but not the greatest.
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The Shadow
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biteme said:
you are relating ko power and greatness.....
3x heavyweight champion who missed 3-4 prime years due to being stripped of his license
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The Shadow
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biteme said:
then stop arguing......LOL
name the "greatest" then
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Rocky Balboa
The Heretic
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Dude, you obviously know nothing about boxing. Who did Tyson beat to be a top 10 all time fighter? He badly lost his legacy fights to Holyfield and Lewis. He was upset by Douglas, and recently by Danny Williams. Tyson was a front runner, who slowed down considerable after round five. I have seen all of Tyson's fights. His best wins were vs a scared to death OLD Spinks, a durable and game Ruddock(Who went to decision), Berbick (Who went to decision), and an OLD Larry Holmes.
Tyson is just outside of my top ten, mostly because he was so strong, quick, aggressive and explosive. He could steam roll many of histories greats. No one could blow out a class B fighter like a Prime Tyson could. But in the end, who did Tyson beat to be ranked in the all time top ten?
And to actually say that Ali had no power?? WTF!?!?! He Ko'd 37 of his 61 opponents. He lost 4 times. Once to Joe Frazier ( arguably one of the top 10 best fighters ever) after a 4 yr layoff and the fight went 15 rounds. Frazier was beaten to a pulp, as was Ali, and Ali went on to beat Frazier TWICE, one by KO. Once to Ken Norton, who broke his jaw in the second round and Ali finished the fucking fight! He later went on to beat Norton TWICE! Once by Leon Spinks in 1978, Ali had been fighting professionally for 18 fucking years and some say he was already suffering from Parkinsons. Spinks was like 21 yrs old. Ali beat Spinks 7 months later. 2 years later Ali tried to make a comeback by fighting, again, one of the top 10 best heavyweights ever, Larry Holmes, and was beaten. He was CLEARLY suffering form Parkinson's at this point and time and still went 11 rounds with Holmes.
To even compare Tyson to Ali is ludicrous. I think he has done enough to make it into the top 15, but not being able to win your defining fights (Lennox, Holyfield etc)? I don't think anybody on my top 10 didn't win most of his defining fights.
Tyson is just outside of my top ten, mostly because he was so strong, quick, aggressive and explosive. He could steam roll many of histories greats. No one could blow out a class B fighter like a Prime Tyson could. But in the end, who did Tyson beat to be ranked in the all time top ten?
And to actually say that Ali had no power?? WTF!?!?! He Ko'd 37 of his 61 opponents. He lost 4 times. Once to Joe Frazier ( arguably one of the top 10 best fighters ever) after a 4 yr layoff and the fight went 15 rounds. Frazier was beaten to a pulp, as was Ali, and Ali went on to beat Frazier TWICE, one by KO. Once to Ken Norton, who broke his jaw in the second round and Ali finished the fucking fight! He later went on to beat Norton TWICE! Once by Leon Spinks in 1978, Ali had been fighting professionally for 18 fucking years and some say he was already suffering from Parkinsons. Spinks was like 21 yrs old. Ali beat Spinks 7 months later. 2 years later Ali tried to make a comeback by fighting, again, one of the top 10 best heavyweights ever, Larry Holmes, and was beaten. He was CLEARLY suffering form Parkinson's at this point and time and still went 11 rounds with Holmes.
To even compare Tyson to Ali is ludicrous. I think he has done enough to make it into the top 15, but not being able to win your defining fights (Lennox, Holyfield etc)? I don't think anybody on my top 10 didn't win most of his defining fights.
The Heretic
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And not only that..
Ali was a poet:
"Clay comes out to meet Liston/And Liston starts to retreat/If he goes back any further/He'll be in a ringside seat/Clay swings with a left/And Clay swings with a right/Look at young Cassius/As he carries the fight
Liston keeps backing/But there's not enough room/It's a matter of time/Till Clay lowers the boom/Now Clay swings with a right/What a beautiful swing/And the punch knocks the Bear/Clear out of the ring
Liston's still rising/The ref wears a frown/For he can't start counting/Till Sonny comes down/Now Liston disappears from view/The crowd is getting frantic/But our radar stations pick him up/He's over the Atlantic
Who would have thought/When they came to the fight/That they'd witness the launch/Of a human satellite?/Yes, the crowd did not dream/When they laid down their money/That they would see/A total eclipse of the Sonny!/I AM
the greatest!"
and
i dun wrestled with an alligator/i dun tussled with a whale/i hancuffed lighting, thrown thunder in jail/yesterday i murdered a rock, injured a stone, hospitalized a brick/im so mean i make medicine sick
and my favorite line by him
"If Sonny Liston dreams he can beat me he better wake up and apologize."
Ali was a poet:
"Clay comes out to meet Liston/And Liston starts to retreat/If he goes back any further/He'll be in a ringside seat/Clay swings with a left/And Clay swings with a right/Look at young Cassius/As he carries the fight
Liston keeps backing/But there's not enough room/It's a matter of time/Till Clay lowers the boom/Now Clay swings with a right/What a beautiful swing/And the punch knocks the Bear/Clear out of the ring
Liston's still rising/The ref wears a frown/For he can't start counting/Till Sonny comes down/Now Liston disappears from view/The crowd is getting frantic/But our radar stations pick him up/He's over the Atlantic
Who would have thought/When they came to the fight/That they'd witness the launch/Of a human satellite?/Yes, the crowd did not dream/When they laid down their money/That they would see/A total eclipse of the Sonny!/I AM
the greatest!"
and
i dun wrestled with an alligator/i dun tussled with a whale/i hancuffed lighting, thrown thunder in jail/yesterday i murdered a rock, injured a stone, hospitalized a brick/im so mean i make medicine sick
and my favorite line by him
"If Sonny Liston dreams he can beat me he better wake up and apologize."
Robert Jan
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What a silly debate 
I could beat any of them easy with a knife, or a small 3MM silly looking handpistol.
I could beat any of them easy with a knife, or a small 3MM silly looking handpistol.
The Heretic
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You couldn't beat me with a knife. What makes you think you could be one of them? LOL
Robert Jan
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The Heretic said:
Don't *assume* I'm a layman with a knife. I train an hour 5 times a week in swordery.
The Heretic
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And never assume you can beat anybody with anything.
(Other than a pedestrian with a car) lol
(Other than a pedestrian with a car) lol
Robert Jan
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Im actually not sure its an english word
how bout swordsmanship?
swordfighting?
how bout swordsmanship?
swordfighting?
The Heretic
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Swordery is a word. I knew what you meant.
chyllaxyn
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The Heretic said:
I couldn’t have said it Better bro,
There is no weight like the heavy weight and
Ali is the "Greatest of All Time"
He beat Frazier and Foreman either of which could have made Tyson cry.
Ali reigned over Boxing's Greatest era, and I've often wondered.
Was it boxing or was it Ali ?
…and I had such high hopes for Klitschko
chyllaxyn said:I couldn’t have said it Better bro,
There is no weight like the heavy weight and
Ali is the "Greatest of All Time"
He beat Frazier and Foreman either of which could have made Tyson cry.
Ali reigned over Boxing's Greatest era, and I've often wondered.
Was it boxing or was it Ali ?
…and I had such high hopes for Klitschko
My subjective opinion. You are full of shit.
Tom Treutlein
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First off, Ali's little poems up there fucking suck, so for anyone who praises them, I beseech you: go out and find some real poetry, not something that I could've shit out in 8th grade.
Second, the whole debate on the two is ridiculous. It's like children getting into a pissing contest or something. Seriously guys, opinions mean shit. It can be argued until the end of time, but unless those two get in the ring (not happening - ever), there won't be any clear cut answer. The track records of each fighter means shit, 'cause as the saying goes, "Every dog has his day."
They were both threatening opponents in the ring. One wrong move by either of them, and it could've all been over. Tyson might not have much endurance, he might go for a quick KO, but so what? If Ali wasn't too careful, and he got himself caught, he could get knocked the fuck out from the get-go.
Tyson, if he wore himself out too quick and Ali was on top of his game that day, could've gotten his ass handed to him as Ali dwindled down what was left of the big guy.
Second, the whole debate on the two is ridiculous. It's like children getting into a pissing contest or something. Seriously guys, opinions mean shit. It can be argued until the end of time, but unless those two get in the ring (not happening - ever), there won't be any clear cut answer. The track records of each fighter means shit, 'cause as the saying goes, "Every dog has his day."
They were both threatening opponents in the ring. One wrong move by either of them, and it could've all been over. Tyson might not have much endurance, he might go for a quick KO, but so what? If Ali wasn't too careful, and he got himself caught, he could get knocked the fuck out from the get-go.
Tyson, if he wore himself out too quick and Ali was on top of his game that day, could've gotten his ass handed to him as Ali dwindled down what was left of the big guy.
Hugesquat
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Tyson knocked out Trevor Berbick in round 3 to be the youngest heavyweight champ of all time (20yrs and 5months)Tyson started to turn to shit when he sacked Kevin Rooney as his coach.Holyfield although abit small was a tough M/F. Lennox Lewis is the best as far as not running from anyone. Ali was wicked but you must realise more people box now so more good fighters. Dont forget David Tua when he comes back,He can bang!The Heretic said:
Tom Treutlein
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Spanky11 said:
We're not talking about some all-around good guy who was a "true champion" (whatever the fuck that means) at life or anything. We're strictly talking about boxing, and how the fighters fared in the ring. I don't think any of them give a shit about what their opponent's going to go do the following weekend after the bout, like go on a picnic with the family or rape some dumb broad.
chyllaxyn
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biteme said:
I always kinda liked him talking shit cause he could back it up.
But then again it caused a lot of trouble at our house, I was very small but I remember my grand father liked Ali and my grand mother hated him for that very reason, she refused to call him Ali, she called him Cassius Clay or worse.
If you look at the history of the era he was a very polarizing figure in American history during Veitnam. I do not like some of his antics but I still have great respect for him as a fighter, , but hey , to each his own
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Ulcasterdropout
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Tyson was an unstable headcase, but if the mood suited him and the stars where aligned, I'd say he'd crush Ali.
Spanky11
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Tom Treutlein said:We're not talking about some all-around good guy who was a "true champion" (whatever the fuck that means) at life or anything. We're strictly talking about boxing, and how the fighters fared in the ring. I don't think any of them give a shit about what their opponent's going to go do the following weekend after the bout, like go on a picnic with the family or rape some dumb broad.
ok, you clearly know nothing about Ali, so I suggest you read the following book on Ali : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...002-6206904-0599217?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
canadianhitman
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While we're at it, let me throw this out there: Barry Bonds is twice the hitter Babe Ruth ever was. That fat bastard played in a watered-down league that was for white boys only, and you can bet your ass there weren't any pitchers slinging the ball at 95mph+ back then.
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