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[Juice Authority]

I'd agree, when it comes to most orals seems like your lipid profile is the main concern, not liver toxicity.

That is very true but most people don't realize the difference.

 

[Diabolical]

I did that. I ran 5 months of dbol at that dose, then took a week off, then went back on it (I took a week off because I'd planned on coming off the dbol due to testing issues, but that turned out to be a non-issue, so I went back on).


I'm no expert, but due to my own experience, liver toxicity does seem at least a little exagerrated.

Was that hard on your body at all.
If not, then you are living proof that orals arent as bad as everyone thinks.

I dont know about that 20 weeker I was kidding around about.

But I think I might go 30mg. for 12 weeks on my next go around.
With lots of protection just in case.


I hope newbies dont read this and not take their protection, with their dbol.

 

[jubei]

For those that think 20 week cycles of dbol are a good idea keep in mind that side effects do not always manifest themselves quickly and you may have health problems later in life. Personally I would rather ere on the side of caution and keep my 17aa consumption to 8 weeks or less.

 

[corvettedudeman]

amen... Karma for you... Finally someone with the same opinion as me...

I also saw a few studies a while back where some aids patients were given 500mg of oxymethelone a day for 17 weeks with no adverse effects...

 

[satchboogie]

JUICE AUTHORITY...

first, thank you for that. it was informing and easy to read.

second, i respect your knowledge and consider you a major contributor to this post has me guessing.

next, i'm not quite convinced that an extended use of 17-aa compounds is relatively as safe as you claim, but then again i am no expert on the topic. it seems that every profile on methyltest, oxymetholone, and flouxymesterone clearly state that use should be limited to no more than 4-6 weeks.

so where ARE these figures coming from?

have bodybuilders been misinformed for the last 40 years?

i mean, do you see my point? its difficult to digest your article. just doesnt seem right. sure, the few studies that you referred to prove otherwise but i'm pretty sure that if dug up you will find hundreds of studies that would prove your theory wrong.

i'm confused, but aint taking chances with my health or my liverl
i'll stick with 2-4 weeks at a time.

 

[Juice Authority]

so where ARE these figures coming from?

have bodybuilders been misinformed for the last 40 years?

i mean, do you see my point? its difficult to digest your article. just doesnt seem right. sure, the few studies that you referred to prove otherwise but i'm pretty sure that if dug up you will find hundreds of studies that would prove your theory wrong.

First, the article is not just someone's opinion, it is grounded in fact with plenty of references to actual studies. The BS on most drug profiles is very general and misleading and most don't bother to research things beyond that. I don't put a lot of faith in the information given on drug profiles. If you're interesting in where I got the information below is a link.

http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/magmain.php?issueID=8&pageID=84

 

[Citruscide]

JA ... alot of the problem I have on running several orals at the same time, is a possible receptor conflict... using one oral and one inject usually works great with me... when I get into several orals at the same time... I find... the effect isn't as strong PER oral as if I had only used one... if that makes sense...

C-ditty

 

[DeepZenPill]

If even a quarter of the guys on here regularly got bloodwork before/during/after cycle, we would have much better tangible evidence to know the truth behind this issue. I'm not saying I do it myself though, but I know I should.

I know I've seen plenty of posts on here about guys who only had slightly elevated liver values during and after AAS use. I don't recall seeing a single post about someone seeing their liver values at dangerous levels. I'm not saying there haven't been any posts of this nature, but I don't think I've ever seen one myself. On the other hand I can recall that one thread about kidney failure and many posts about terrible lipid profiles.

 

[40butpumpin]

I'd agree, when it comes to most orals seems like your lipid profile is the main concern, not liver toxicity.

I question how much of an issue lipid profiles are. I've gone into this in the past so I won't do it now, however, inflammation, oxidation and fibrin are the real "big-hitters" with heart disease and can all be controlled with supplements such as nattokinase, samento, serrapeptase, vitamin c, l-lysine and garlic. There's a few others but this sure is a good start. The bottom line is that you CAN protect yourself.

 

[ironmaster]

From personal experience, it is my opinion that the supposed hazards of longterm steroid use, in general, are overstated. I have used gear of all sorts since the 1970's including plenty of 17aa's. My yearly bloodwork results have always been fine, still have all my hair, and never any gyno.
Sure, you have to use some common sense and take ample time off...... it's only the fools who kill themselves with gear (and most of those guys use tons of other "drugs" as well.)