The Secret.......

[p0ink]

visualize?
didja read it?

did you watch the video? when they told you tp picture yourself in that car you want, riding that bike you desire, living the lifestyle you wish you had.

am i missing something?

 

[heatherrae]

Ah - I thought I saw something posted by PBR about sound technology and i remembered it as being subliminal.

I think he was discussing Holosync solution in that post Vel. That is different.

 

[velvett]

I think he was discussing Holosync solution in that post Vel. That is different.

Ah, clearly one should read first and respond later and not skim.

 

[heatherrae]

i watched the video yesterday, and formed my own opinions.

yes, they do have some phd's talking to you, but the other people are metaphysicists (not the philosophical kind, but the creepy kind who wear crystals and think they can part clouds with their thoughts types), a feng shui interior designer, some reverend of some unknown religion, and a couple of authors, who just happened to already put out several self-help books in the past.

Regardless whether you think the speakers are persuasive experts or not, you seem to just not be understanding it at all. You are arguing that it isn't an occult thing, that it isn't new, that it isn't esoteric, when no one ever said it was. I somehow just think you are somehow missing something.

 

[p0ink]

and to top it off, they bundle it up with quasi physics-speak, in order to somehow make their claims appear to be scientific.

for example, they say, "The law of attraction is the most powerful law in the universe." well, that is all fine and dandy, if it actually made sense.

no laws in physics are more powerful than another. secondly, the only law in physics involving attraction is gravity and that's it. there are other 'attractive forces' (ie magnetism), but they only attract something OPPOSITE - not like.

so, in reality, their claims of the so-called 'law of attraction' is scientifically unsound.

 

[heatherrae]

and to top it off, they bundle it up with quasi physics-speak, in order to somehow make their claims appear to be scientific.

for example, they say, "The law of attraction is the most powerful law in the universe." well, that is all fine and dandy, if it actually made sense.

no laws in physics are more powerful than another. secondly, the only law in physics involving attraction is gravity and that's it. there are other 'attractive forces' (ie magnetism), but they only attract something OPPOSITE - not like.

so, in reality, their claims of the so-called 'law of attraction' is scientifically unsound.

Science is not capable of answering many, many questions about our existence, and especially our spirituality, as of yet. I think you have sort of put your mind in a small box and are afraid to think outside of that. There are laws of the universe that are not the "Universal Laws" enumerated in Chemistry and Physics 101 and 102. If you don't want to believe anything except those things, so be it, but you come across condescending to those on the thread who enjoyed the book or the film.

 

[samoth]

and to top it off, they bundle it up with quasi physics-speak, in order to somehow make their claims appear to be scientific.

for example, they say, "The law of attraction is the most powerful law in the universe." well, that is all fine and dandy, if it actually made sense.

no laws in physics are more powerful than another. secondly, the only law in physics involving attraction is gravity and that's it. there are other 'attractive forces' (ie magnetism), but they only attract something OPPOSITE - not like.

so, in reality, their claims of the so-called 'law of attraction' is scientifically unsound.

Eh... if you're considering behavior and strength of the fundamental forces as physical laws, there are some which are inherently stronger than others.

But I digress...

 

[p0ink]

why shouldn't i be condescending?

you have a company that uses viral marketing to pawn off expensive dvds, books, and seminars onto people, who are truly lost and unhappy with their current lives...and, in some cases, dying from terminal illness.

they get some smooth-talking people, who are experts in experimental science, to tell them their is scientific fact behind their new quasi religion.

they give these people false and, in some cases, dangerous hopes (ie. indirectly telling people this can be used to cure things like cancer) in exchange for a lot of their money.

if you are that desperate for something to believe in, and you are more than willing to shell out a lot of money on pseudo-science and marketing gimmicks...then by all means.

 

[p0ink]

Eh... if you're considering behavior and strength of the fundamental forces as physical laws, there are some which are inherently stronger than others.

But I digress...

meh - i meant there is no 'law' stronger than another 'law'

a law is a law.

 

[p0ink]

and finally, if this is 'the secret' of the cosmos, why in the hell would they trivialize such a thing? according to them, 'the secret' is used to gain financial success, a better sex life, find love, etc...

i seriously doubt the many adepts throughout the ages, sat their in great study and meditation on very important issues like:

'how can i maintain an erection longer?'
'why can't i find love at 5'2, 350lbs?'
'how can i unlock the mysteries of the universe to get out of debt?'

 

[blueta2]

are the authors those 2 guys that were on Oprah? If so, thats a great book. But I doubt that the people with the REAL negative vibes are gonna quite get it.

These teaching help those with REAL negative thinking, it's the non believers that will not quite get it.

 

[heatherrae]

why shouldn't i be condescending?

you have a company that uses viral marketing to pawn off expensive dvds, books, and seminars onto people, who are truly lost and unhappy with their current lives...and, in some cases, dying from terminal illness.

they get some smooth-talking people, who are experts in experimental science, to tell them their is scientific fact behind their new quasi religion.

they give these people false and, in some cases, dangerous hopes (ie. indirectly telling people this can be used to cure things like cancer) in exchange for a lot of their money.

if you are that desperate for something to believe in, and you are more than willing to shell out a lot of money on pseudo-science and marketing gimmicks...then by all means.

Why shouldn't you be condescending to the people here? Well, my dear, if you didn't learn this by now, you need more reflection than can be offered here.

If you delude yourself into thinking that positivity in your mindset does not bring about positive results, you are in for some surprising revelations in life.

I have a very good friend who is an oncologist. He said a woman came in with cancer that was ALL OVER her thoracic cavity. He told her that it was inoperable and for her to get her "affairs in order" because she had about 6 months to live. She looked at him flatly and said, "You are wrong." He told me that he thought to himself that she was just in denial. He told me that that was ten years ago and the last time he saw her about a year ago, she gave him a big smile and said, "You are still wrong." She is still eaten up with cancer. He says he sees it all the time, people with a really strong energy often are able to overcome so much more.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

did part 2 ever get put back up there?

 

[heatherrae]

did part 2 ever get put back up there?

I'm not sure. You can check or run a search on you tube. =-)

 

[p0ink]

ok, well...if someone needs to believe in something that bad, that they are willing to plop down their hard-earned money to do so...have at it.

p.t. barnum was right.

 

[heatherrae]

ok, well...if someone needs to believe in something that bad, that they are willing to plop down their hard-earned money to do so...have at it.

p.t. barnum was right.

coming from someone who self-proclaimed to have read more self help and occult books than anyone on here? Dude, science is something people feel the need to believe in, and philosophy, and poetry, and art, and love...


If you don't get it, maybe you never will.

 

[p0ink]

coming from someone who self-proclaimed to have read more self help and occult books than anyone on here?



LOL.

uh - metaphysics and self-help books are not the same...not even remotely....they have nothing in common other than they are both printed with ink on paper...

and i assure you, people like anthony robbins and books like 'the inspired life' have NOTHING to do with the occult.

you're retarded.

 

[heatherrae]

uh - metaphysics and self-help books are not the same...not even remotely....they have nothing in common other than they are both printed with ink on paper...

and i assure you, people like anthony robbins and books like 'the inspired life' have NOTHING to do with the occult.

you're retarded.

I didn't say that they did. Boy you really miss the points being made. LOL.
YOU said "I have probably read more occult and self help books than anyone here" It isn't like I misquoted you...LOL.

Point was that they are something to believe in. Something to improve your life, inspire, motivate, whatever.

Well same thing with the material put forth in the Secret. If it doesn't speak to you, leave it alone, but quit being so condescending and rude to others. You have called it a religion and the occult, blah, blah, blah...it is none of those things.

You just seem to be obstinent and with a superiority complex.

 

[redguru]

 

[heatherrae]

No it has nothing to do with scientology either. Glad people who don't know what it is all have voiced their opinion now, though.

 

[redguru]

No it has nothing to do with scientology either. Glad people who don't know what it is all have voiced their opinion now, though.

Yes it does. Both are pseudo-religions that prey on those looking for something to believe in. Both are couched in pseudo-science and mysticism. Carpetbaggers did the same thing hawking their wares from the back of a Conestoga.

 

[PICK3]

Yes it does. Both are pseudo-religions that prey on those looking for something to believe in. Both are couched in pseudo-science and mysticism. Carpetbaggers did the same thing hawking their wares from the back of a Conestoga.

and then you drink Kool-Aid?

 

[heatherrae]

Yes it does. Both are pseudo-religions that prey on those looking for something to believe in. Both are couched in pseudo-science and mysticism. Carpetbaggers did the same thing hawking their wares from the back of a Conestoga.

meh. Have you even read it?

It has nothing to do with religion of any sort.

 

[redguru]

meh. Have you even read it?

It has nothing to do with religion of any sort.

Define religion. Wikipedia defines it as:

A Religion is a set of beliefs that are held by more than one person and are in excess of what can be proven via the scientific method or any other universally accepted means of authentication.

Any religion or metaphysical argument that uses the marketing strategies of "The Secret" leaves the same taste in my mouth as scientology or Amway.

 

[EnderJE]

Let's read before we lay waste...or put it on ignore.

 

[-SD-]

THE SECERET has to do with affrimation...programming the mind in a positive shift...

iam one of many who has started the program...i have suggested it to a couple members here. it has to do with mind synchro- balancing right and left brain. training the mind with positive affirmations. it teaches meditation, not so much as a skill but puts the mind into the desired states of alpa, delta and theta waves so meditation can be acheived. this is not the SECERET per se but the founders program behind the SECERET called THE HOLOSYNC SOLUTION...it uses sound technology to create the same patterns in the brain as a deep meditation...

this is a much deeper program than THE SECERET- but as i said it is what was used to get that particular program into the masses. I can tell you it is money extremely well spent...

Why dont you give some real world results how it helps you.

 

[EnderJE]

Read "SHAM : How the Self Help Industry Harm's American". Good book.

 

[heatherrae]

Read "SHAM : How the Self Help Industry Harm's American". Good book.

shouldn't that be "SHIHA"? Dummies! LOL.

 

[-SD-]

Read "SHAM : How the Self Help Industry Harm's American". Good book.

Forgot about that one, think I perused it at one time at a bookstore. Eye opening stuff.

 

[redguru]

Forgot about that one, think I perused it at one time at a bookstore. Eye opening stuff.

If The Secret was such a emancipating experience for all mankind, wouldn't it only be right to release the DVD for free to the masses? I see they removed the DVD from youtube, citing copyright concerns. I'm surprised Kevin Trudeau's hands aren't all over this.

 

[heatherrae]

Define religion. Wikipedia defines it as:

A Religion is a set of beliefs that are held by more than one person and are in excess of what can be proven via the scientific method or any other universally accepted means of authentication.

Any religion or metaphysical argument that uses the marketing strategies of "The Secret" leaves the same taste in my mouth as scientology or Amway.

You consider Amway a religion? LOL

 

[redguru]

You consider Amway a religion? LOL

MLM marketing people have been referred to as cults before and there has been litigation to that effect against AMWAY

 

[heatherrae]

If The Secret was such a emancipating experience for all mankind, wouldn't it only be right to release the DVD for free to the masses? I see they removed the DVD from youtube, citing copyright concerns. I'm surprised Kevin Trudeau's hands aren't all over this.

yeah, and chemotherapy is "emancipating" for cancer victims, but that isn't free to the masses either.

 

[-SD-]

You consider Amway a religion? LOL

more of a cult.

 

[redguru]

yeah, and chemotherapy is "emancipating" for cancer victims, but that isn't free to the masses either.

No but the technology is available in all the literature for every oncologist to use.

 

[redguru]

 

[velvett]

 

[redguru]

argumentum ad personam

 

[velvett]

argumentum ad personam

argumentum ad hominem?

 

[redguru]

argumentum ad hominem?

Same thing.

 

[heatherrae]

No but the technology is available in all the literature for every oncologist to use.

So, what your saying is that any copyrighted material is wholly worthless, because if it had any merit, it would be provided free to the world?

Damn, I always had to pay for my college textbooks.


Oh, and the oncologist has to pay for her books too.

 

[Island Son]

If subliminal tapes really work, how do you know they're not messing with your head?
"mmmm youwillmakeallyourfriendsbuythistape mmmm ifyou'reawomanyouthinki'mhot"

hey, maybe I should make some mixtapes with that shyt.

 

[PBR]

Why dont you give some real world results how it helps you.

iam learning how to meditate in a deeper state...my normal thought patterns are shifting to be more positive at all times, not always with success but with shorter periods of discontent...iam able to become quieter when needed, i have more patience and take the time to listen and understand...my mind is more clear and iam learning easier and quicker...it is helping to rid the garbage we all spend so much time thinking about...its about balance for me and clarity...iam not so quick to lash out at something i find disruptive or negative...iam simply learning something new, and to me it makes sense...again as i stated in my previous post- iam not selling anything here. i answered someones question the best i could based on my experience. iam not here to tell anyone what iam doing is the right or wrong thing to do...iam telling you iam doing it. thats all. iam still in the begining stages- im a student.

 

[blueta2]

yeah, and chemotherapy is "emancipating" for cancer victims, but that isn't free to the masses either.

excellent point

 

[blueta2]

.

I have a very good friend who is an oncologist. He said a woman came in with cancer that was ALL OVER her thoracic cavity. He told her that it was inoperable and for her to get her "affairs in order" because she had about 6 months to live. She looked at him flatly and said, "You are wrong." He told me that he thought to himself that she was just in denial. He told me that that was ten years ago and the last time he saw her about a year ago, she gave him a big smile and said, "You are still wrong." She is still eaten up with cancer. He says he sees it all the time, people with a really strong energy often are able to overcome so much more.

I told you this story already, but will give the gist again. My friend who was diagnosed with Leukemia was given 6 months to live. That was 9 years ago and she is alive and well. She was a high school drop out when she got ill, doing a dead end job. Her life was filled with depression and she "lost" her way in the world. Her cancer experience took her to another level and now she is 1 year away from getting her PHD in cancer research and is the person, along with Dr Druker, who brought Gleevec (the 1st line drug for leukemia) to the masses. She is the spokesperson and the face (in the ads) for Gleevec.
She works with oncologist daily who say the only cancer patients of theirs that survive are the one's who believe they will survive.
Last spring her Mother was also diagnosed with bone, colon, liver and kidney cancer. Given 3-6 months to live. This women is a believer in "life" and almost a year later is still alive and has only one small tumor and her Dr's are amazed she is surviving. She is 75 yrs old.
My 46 yr old neighbor and friend just died new yrs day of cancer. From the day he was diagnosed he kept saying "I'm dying" and believed in nothing. Well he lasted 6 months and he was gone.
My point, the believers in spirit, life and something greater, survived, the person who believed in nothing, died!

It's not what or how we believe in, it's what gets us through the day. If someone wants to believe a blade of grass will save them, then it prob., will. The human mind is the greatest healer or destroyer of all, we just need to chose which one we want to listen to.

 

[heatherrae]

I told you this story already, but will give the gist again. My friend who was diagnosed with Leukemia was given 6 months to live. That was 9 years ago and she is alive and well. She was a high school drop out when she got ill, doing a dead end job. Her life was filled with depression and she "lost" her way in the world. Her cancer experience took her to another level and now she is 1 year away from getting her PHD in cancer research and is the person, along with Dr Druker, who brought Gleevec (the 1st line drug for leukemia) to the masses. She is the spokesperson and the face (in the ads) for Gleevec.
She works with oncologist daily who say the only cancer patients of theirs that survive are the one's who believe they will survive.
Last spring her Mother was also diagnosed with bone, colon, liver and kidney cancer. Given 3-6 months to live. This women is a believer in "life" and almost a year later is still alive and has only one small tumor and her Dr's are amazed she is surviving. She is 75 yrs old.
My 46 yr old neighbor and friend just died new yrs day of cancer. From the day he was diagnosed he kept saying "I'm dying" and believed in nothing. Well he lasted 6 months and he was gone.
My point, the believers in spirit, life and something greater, survived, the person who believed in nothing, died!

It's not what or how we believe in, it's what gets us through the day. If someone wants to believe a blade of grass will save them, then it prob., will. The human mind is the greatest healer or destroyer of all, we just need to chose which one we want to listen to.

Absolutely! I'm not saying everyone can be saved, but the most powerful determinate is the human spirit!

 

[Whiskey]

Isn't this all based off of what Scientology teaches??? about balancing the mind

Whiskey

 

[heatherrae]

Isn't this all based off of what Scientology teaches??? about balancing the mind

Whiskey

NO.

 

[Whiskey]

NO.

Hmm, are you shure? This is how a friend explained it to me. Are there any scientologists in here to confirm or deny this? my bud is somewhat a scientologist... well, tries to live by thier beliefs and he thinks the book is close to the scientology ways

so I don't know, I haven't read either, or, but curious about it all.

Whiskey

 

[blueta2]

Hmm, are you shure? This is how a friend explained it to me. Are there any scientologists in here to confirm or deny this? my bud is somewhat a scientologist... well, tries to live by thier beliefs and he thinks the book is close to the scientology ways

so I don't know, I haven't read either, or, but curious about it all.

Whiskey

Totally not the same
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

 

[Whiskey]

blueta, thanks for link

Whiskey

 

[p0ink]

whiskey,

i have a magic shoe that keeps away elephants. since i acquired this magic shoe, i have not seen a single elephant here in colorado.

i will be more than happy to sell you said shoe.

 

[velvett]

Isn't this all based off of what Scientology teaches??? about balancing the mind

Whiskey

Kabbalah (from what I can tell about this Secret stuff) uses similar teachings.


After I saw this thread I did some basic research and none of this is new and that's not to say it's bad because it's not, it is in itself a positive way to navigate yourself, how you think, react and present yourself to others.

Call me crazy but Buddha did it first.

 

[heatherrae]

If subliminal tapes really work, how do you know they're not messing with your head?
"mmmm youwillmakeallyourfriendsbuythistape mmmm ifyou'reawomanyouthinki'mhot"

hey, maybe I should make some mixtapes with that shyt.

LOL....GREAT idea! I like it!

 

[p0ink]

After I saw this thread I did some basic research and none of this is new and that's not to say it's bad because it's not, it is in itself a positive way to navigate yourself, how you think, react and present yourself to others.

Call me crazy but Buddha did it first.

that's what i have been saying; positive thinking and visualization does work, but not because of some cosmic forces.

i notice you have the english version of sig in yours. nice.

 

[alien amp pharm]

some of y'alls lives must really suck if you are buying books and tapes on how to be happy. I'm glad I have never had it that badly.

 

[Whiskey]

whiskey,

i have a magic shoe that keeps away elephants. since i acquired this magic shoe, i have not seen a single elephant here in colorado.

i will be more than happy to sell you said shoe.

cripes sake pOink!! there are a shit load or elephants around here... especially the kind that fly... how much??????

Whiskey

 

[p0ink]

heatherrae, you are going against the secret by thinking negatively and constantly giving me bad karma.

 

[heatherrae]

heatherrae, you are going against the secret by thinking negatively and constantly giving me bad karma.

No, I'm not. I enjoy it. =-) My day is still positive and happy. lol.

 

[p0ink]

cripes sake pOink!! there are a shit load or elephants around here... especially the kind that fly... how much??????

Whiskey

there is a very limited amount of said magic shoes, so you better hurry, while supplies last.

i will also be performing nationwide seminars, recruitment drives, and spoken word tours about the magic shoe.

get it before the elephants get you.

 

[p0ink]

No, I'm not. I enjoy it. =-) My day is still positive and happy. lol.

maybe you can teach your kid 'the secret'. if he wishes hard enough, he may get a father one day.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Call me crazy but Buddha did it first.

My sig
All that we are is the result of what we have thought. ~ Buddha

 

[heatherrae]

maybe you can teach your kid 'the secret'. if he wishes hard enough, he may get a father one day.

Maybe you should learn it so you can get a new shtick..lol.

 

[velvett]

My sig
All that we are is the result of what we have thought. ~ Buddha

You know it girlfriend!!!!!

 

[txbondsman]

what's funny is this thread is as long as it is and the other is that people say that they now have "the secret" and are will to tell everyone for...what, $90 dollors or something. It seems to me the the secret has been out for sometime now, say a few thousand years. It's my understanding that 12 guys wrote it down and if you want to read it it's free, just ask a Gideon if you find one, I think they make regular rounds to all hotels and motels every morning. I don't have the secret memorized but I think that somewhere it has to keep your mind and body heathy by taking time out every day for meditation. Pretty much covers everything to my recollection....

 

[blueta2]

whiskey,

i have a magic shoe that keeps away elephants. since i acquired this magic shoe, i have not seen a single elephant here in colorado.

i will be more than happy to sell you said shoe.

Dude, seriously, you're getting on my nerves. Stay out of the thread if you want to be an jerk!
Your small minded thinking is really annoying!

 

[velvett]

that's what i have been saying; positive thinking and visualization does work, but not because of some cosmic forces.

i notice you have the english version of sig in yours. nice.

*wink*

 

[blueta2]

some of y'alls lives must really suck if you are buying books and tapes on how to be happy. I'm glad I have never had it that badly.

You're missing the point. It's not about having it "badly" it's about using the mind to find peace and healing.
Do you think your life will always be good?!
Also, one must have a soul to want to find deeper meaning.....soooooooooooooooooooo! ;-)

 

[heatherrae]

that's what i have been saying; positive thinking and visualization does work, but not because of some cosmic forces.

i notice you have the english version of sig in yours. nice.

No one ever said it was magical forces. Does your head hurt from being that ignorant?

 

[-SD-]

maybe you can teach your kid 'the secret'. if he wishes hard enough, he may get a father one day.

fuck rob, thats a little low.

 

[alien amp pharm]

fuck rob, thats a little low.

agreed

 

[heatherrae]

fuck rob, thats a little low.

He says it all the time. He's a hateful and disgusting human being.

 

[blueta2]

maybe you can teach your kid 'the secret'. if he wishes hard enough, he may get a father one day.

I think you need to read The Secret and maybe find out if they can transform your "assholness" into something kind!

What a rotten thing to say...!

 

[-SD-]

He says it all the time. He's a hateful and disgusting human being.

So just what were the circumstances of the kids dad, if you dont mind me asking. PM if you dont want to post up

 

[heatherrae]

he said similar on like page 3 or so of this thread. That is what was with all the heather pile ons the last few days. Then, he denies saying these things...lol.

 

[alien amp pharm]

he said similar on like page 3 or so of this thread. That is what was with all the heather pile ons the last few days.

Wrong.

 

[heatherrae]

So just what were the circumstances of the kids dad, if you dont mind me asking. PM if you dont want to post up

I was engaged to him. He started getting possessive and insanely jealous. It ended up getting physical to the point that I called the police one night to protect myself. I immediately broke up with him, but I found out later that I was pregnant. I don't want anything to do with him now and am hoping he will not interfere in the child's life. So, a group of 2 or 3 men on here have found sport in trying to hurt me by constantly bringing up that the child will be "illigitimate", that I am an "unwed mother", that the baby won't have a dad, etc. While all that may be true, I'm still a kind and loving mommy to be, and I think their attacks on a single mom are more telling about what is in their hearts and minds than what is in mine.

 

[heatherrae]

Wrong.

No, you piled on not knowing what was going on just for the sport of joining the fray. Your accusations, I believe, were that I was "sitting on my fat ass" and living off of my ex's money, that I was a gold digger, etc.

None of which is remotely true. I haven't asked or received one penny from my ex and am not even seeking a dime of child support. But, I guess it is fun to pick on the mom when she is down and trying to bring herself back up. Heck, all the other men are doing it, right?

 

[velvett]

Wow, this has gone terribly off topic.

I think we all can agree on a few two things:

Inner peace/ knowing thy self = Good
Mass Marketing blood suckers = Bad


Hey, what ever it takes for someone to find their way is worth supporting it's just unfortunate when being lost, lonely, sad or unfulfilled attracts people, situations and answers that just take advantage of the person looking for help in the first place.





























Oh and yah, I'll lock it if keeps on it's ugly route.
Just agree to disagree but don't make it personal.

 

[heatherrae]

Wow, this has gone terribly off topic.

I think we all can agree on a few two things:

Inner peace/ knowing thy self = Good
Mass Marketing blood suckers = Bad


Hey, what ever it takes for someone to find their way is worth supporting it's just unfortunate when being lost, lonely, sad or unfulfilled attracts people, situations and answers that just take advantage of the person looking for help in the first place.





























Oh and yah, I'll lock it if keeps on it's ugly route.
Just agree to disagree but don't make it personal.

At what point does marketing a product become evil? What makes them selling their book evil? All books that are successful have to have marketing behind them....right?

 

[-SD-]

I was engaged to him. He started getting possessive and insanely jealous. It ended up getting physical to the point that I called the police one night to protect myself. I immediately broke up with him, but I found out later that I was pregnant. I don't want anything to do with him now and am hoping he will not interfere in the child's life. So, a group of 2 or 3 men on here have found sport in trying to hurt me by constantly bringing up that the child will be "illigitimate", that I am an "unwed mother", that the baby won't have a dad, etc. While all that may be true, I'm still a kind and loving mommy to be, and I think their attacks on a single mom are more telling about what is in their hearts and minds than what is in mine.

Sounds like he changed for the worse sort of fast. While a child not having a father is not ideal, having a dad that abuses the mother is obviously worse and you should be commended for having the fortitude to leave him while pregnant. Your intentions were to become wed by the time the child was born I assume, since you were engaged to the father. Its not like you got knocked up and just decided to leave the man for no good reason. The bottom line is you did some good damage control and all the insults to you arent called for.

 

[Nobledude]

I was engaged to him. He started getting possessive and insanely jealous. It ended up getting physical to the point that I called the police one night to protect myself. I immediately broke up with him, but I found out later that I was pregnant. I don't want anything to do with him now and am hoping he will not interfere in the child's life. So, a group of 2 or 3 men on here have found sport in trying to hurt me by constantly bringing up that the child will be "illigitimate", that I am an "unwed mother", that the baby won't have a dad, etc. While all that may be true, I'm still a kind and loving mommy to be, and I think their attacks on a single mom are more telling about what is in their hearts and minds than what is in mine.

Heather, you are a great person and you should just brush off those wannabe tough E guys whose remarks ar just plain rude and dumb.

You have done nothing wrong and you have nothing to be ashamed of....you just got caught in a tough situation ...it is not the end of the world. If I were you I wont try to air my own laundry too often in here....

Take care,

ND

 

[heatherrae]

Sounds like he changed for the worse sort of fast. While a child not having a father is not ideal, having a dad that abuses the mother is obviously worse and you should be commended for having the fortitude to leave him while pregnant. Your intentions were to become wed by the time the child was born I assume, since you were engaged to the father. Its not like you got knocked up and just decided to leave the man for no good reason. The bottom line is you did some good damage control and all the insults to you arent called for.

Well, I didn't know I was pregnant until AFTER I left him, but had I known it would have only made me more likely to leave, because not only would I be protecting me, I would have a child to protect from him. He became very violent. It was scary.


Thanks for the kind words. =-)

 

[heatherrae]

Heather, you are a great person and you should just brush off those wannabe tough E guys whose remarks ar just plain rude and dumb.

You have done nothing wrong and you have nothing to be ashamed of....you just got caught in a tough situation ...it is not the end of the world. If I were you I wont try to air my own laundry too often in here....

Take care,

ND

Thanks ND. =-)

 

[Nobledude]

Well, I didn't know I was pregnant until AFTER I left him, but had I known it would have only made me more likely to leave, because not only would I be protecting me, I would have a child to protect from him. He became very violent. It was scary.


Thanks for the kind words. =-)

You owe me no explanation ...you dont have to defend yourself in front of anybody. I am sure you will be a great mom....a sexy one , if I may add. My only regret would be that I didnt have a chance to meet you earlier...

 

[alien amp pharm]

No, you piled on not knowing what was going on just for the sport of joining the fray. Your accusations, I believe, were that I was "sitting on my fat ass" and living off of my ex's money, that I was a gold digger, etc.

None of which is remotely true. I haven't asked or received one penny from my ex and am not even seeking a dime of child support. But, I guess it is fun to pick on the mom when she is down and trying to bring herself back up. Heck, all the other men are doing it, right?

See there you go posting ficticous things again.

Fortunately I'm not wasting another day sorting out your facts from lies.

Ultimately you'll believe what you want to believe. That's part of your problem.

 

[heatherrae]

You owe me no explanation ...you dont have to defend yourself in front of anybody. I am sure you will be a great mom....a sexy one , if I may add. My only regret would be that I didnt have a chance to meet you earlier...

=-)

 

[txbondsman]

< piling on Heather....

 

[Nobledude]

See there you go posting ficticous things again.

Fortunately I'm not wasting another day sorting out your facts from lies.

Ultimately you'll believe what you want to believe. That's part of your problem.

Bony ass, back off wanna be tough guy. You will never ever get a hot woman like Heather ....and I can give you two reasons: you are a punk with no personality and your phisique is just underdeveloped and pathetic!!!

Eat my man and stop being a E bully....I bet in reall life you have been bullied a lot as you seem to take revenge and swipe aimlessly at better than you people, hidden behind a computer...

Lame, dude...

 

[alien amp pharm]

Bony ass, back off wanna be tough guy. You will never ever get a hot woman like Heather ....and I can give you two reasons: you are a punk with no personality and your phisique is just underdeveloped and pathetic!!!

Eat my man and stop being a E bully....I bet in reall life you have been bullied a lot as you seem to take revenge and swipe aimlessly at better than you people, hidden behind a computer...

Lame, dude...

So you gonna follow me around now?

Your insults (if you call them that) shows how little you actually know and how you're simply spouting off from emotion because you have no better plan of attack.

It makes me smile knowing I get to you.

 

[Nobledude]

So you gonna follow me around now?

Your insults (if you call them that) shows how little you actually know and how you're simply spouting off from emotion because you have no better plan of attack.

It makes me smile knowing I get to you.

So , all I said was true, right? I dont attack you, my little EF friend, I am just stating some hard core facts. You dont wanna see how real "attacks" are...

Thanks for enforcing my previous statement ....

 

[PBR]

amazing how i see an inquiry- turn into a debate- turn to attack. perhaps the original question on page 1, was threatening to some. maybe some found it offensive due to their own beliefs.
this is a small society here on the web- (EF). many of us have been familiar with each other for some time now. look how easy it is for something so small to expand into something negative and harmful....and we laugh at the people in the middle east who have been waring for centuries...here we are suited up for battle over some information that has been around for centuries that belongs to a different culture- and we attack it and those who follow it...for what?
have i changed in the last 15 pages?...

"AND WHEN ASKED, 'ARE YOU A GOD OR A MAN?'...THE BUDDHA REPLIED, I AM AWAKE".

 

[-SD-]

e-knight alert.

 

[alien amp pharm]

So , all I said was true, right? I dont attack you, my little EF friend, I am just stating some hard core facts. You dont wanna see how real "attacks" are...

Thanks for enforcing my previous statement ....

Apparently English Basics wasn't a class you did so well in.

 

[heatherrae]

amazing how i see an inquiry- turn into a debate- turn to attack. perhaps the original question on page 1, was threatening to some. maybe some found it offensive due to their own beliefs.
this is a small society here on the web- (EF). many of us have been familiar with each other for some time now. look how easy it is for something so small to expand into something negative and harmful....and we laugh at the people in the middle east who have been waring for centuries...here we are suited up for battle over some information that has been around for centuries that belongs to a different culture- and we attack it and those who follow it...for what?
have i changed in the last 15 pages?...

"AND WHEN ASKED, 'ARE YOU A GOD OR A MAN?'...THE BUDDHA REPLIED, I AM AWAKE".

Hi Angel. =-)

 

[velvett]

At what point does marketing a product become evil? What makes them selling their book evil? All books that are successful have to have marketing behind them....right?

It's not just "a book" I'm speaking in general and in the big picture of self-help, metaphysical and book of religious teachings - there is something positive to be gained by any or all however it can be those very same books (and related paraphernalia) and/or organizations that will bleed dry a small percent of those look for help. This saddens me.

Rhonda Byrne - she is the spine behind The Secret.

There are millions to be made with this concept - it's a very sellable, easily marketed goldmine. Book, DVD, How to, Journals, seminars, resorts, classes - OMG it's endless. Not to mention the timing on the heels of the Davinci Code and Secret Bible Codes.

Take decades worth of self-help gurus ideas put them in a simple format (DVD - lazy people who don't read) and traditional format (snobs or wanna bes that talk about what they read) add some 70's scent of mysticism (group chanting and meditating) and you have got this decade's Celestine Prophecy and Deepak Chopra all rolled into one.

I wish I had thought of it - it's f*king brilliant.

Marketing is a necessary evil - how many thing do you buy because the name has been drilled into you for years. How many people offer a 'Kleenex' when they should be offering a "tissue"? Capstick instead lip balm?

Without advertising and marketing - businesses would have to sell a honest product or service, care about it's customers and rely solely on word of mouth. That would not work in our world right now - every industry is saturated. Hell, I know people in my industry that have PR reps - it's crazy.

Ok I feel a tangent coming... so I'll shut up now

Even with all that - if someone gets something positive and improves their life out something they read (The Secret I mean) and not at the expense of someone else - AMEN!

 

[PBR]

vel- this thread lacks luster. its done.

 

[heatherrae]

It's not just "a book" I'm speaking in general and in the big picture of self-help, metaphysical and book of religious teachings - there is something positive to be gained by any or all however it can be those very same books (and related paraphernalia) and/or organizations that will bleed dry a small percent of those look for help. This saddens me.

Rhonda Byrne - she is the spine behind The Secret.

There are millions to be made with this concept - it's a very sellable, easily marketed goldmine. Book, DVD, How to, Journals, seminars, resorts, classes - OMG it's endless. Not to mention the timing on the heels of the Davinci Code and Secret Bible Codes.

Take decades worth of self-help gurus ideas put them in a simple format (DVD - lazy people who don't read) and traditional format (snobs or wanna bes that talk about what they read) add some 70's scent of mysticism (group chanting and meditating) and you have got this decade's Celestine Prophecy and Deepak Chopra all rolled into one.

I wish I had thought of it - it's f*king brilliant.

Marketing is a necessary evil - how many thing do you buy because the name has been drilled into you for years. How many people offer a 'Kleenex' when they should be offering a "tissue"? Capstick instead lip balm?

Without advertising and marketing - businesses would have to sell a honest product or service, care about it's customers and rely solely on word of mouth. That would not work in our world right now - every industry is saturated. Hell, I know people in my industry that have PR reps - it's crazy.

Ok I feel a tangent coming... so I'll shut up now

Even with all that - if someone gets something positive and improves their life out something they read (The Secret I mean) and not at the expense of someone else - AMEN!

So, I guess my point is whether Kleenex and Chapstick are evil for marketing their products to people and becoming a household name? it isn't a rhetorical point that I was making. I was honestly asking when does marketing become evil and why? I guess in my opinion, so long as one believes in their own product's worth to help people, they are not evil in marketing it, even if they market the heck out of it.

Now, if you are marketing some idea, cure, etc. that you know is untrue or worthless, any amount of marketing is evil.

 

[velvett]

vel- this thread lacks luster. its done.

You think?

Hmm.


Anyone else?

 

[Nobledude]

Apparently English Basics wasn't a class you did so well in.

Asswipe, it is Basic English...use the adjective properly...and unlike you I speak two more languages, punk!!!