Wulfgar said:
I disagree
The government has a level of authority over its population. It is akin to a parents altitude over their child. People in positions of authority have a responsibility to teach those they have an effect on how to act, behave, etc.
Killing to show that killing is wrong is absolutely the hypocrisy here. And the animal argument is weak. Animals do not posses the same level of conciousness humans do.
Id like to see the proof where 10-20 years of intense therapy has proven to be useless?
And also, I am not arguing that Murderers and violent criminals should or in anyways should be let into society. they obviously cannot function in society. But executing them? How is that any better than them killing and maiming their victims?
Murder is Murder is Murder. Regardless of how you look at it. And to say it is OK if the state sanctions it is still trying to justify homicide.
While I agree that, theoretically, the government SHOULD exert a level of authority over the people, I see no duty, responsibility or accountability for that authority. Our government has major issues. The government started chipping away at the various amendments and nobody squawked, the last thing this government is concerned with is justice.
And I actually cannot equate animals to humans, at this point in time the behavior I see in the natural animal kingdom is, inherently, more logical than a lot of things I see people do and this is said after most of my life spent working with animals under every circumstance imaginable. Compared to animals, people are screwy. If you can't say that you don't know shit about either creature.
The government was never capable of teaching morality lessons, and at this point in time the best it can be is a big scary FORCE. When you have young teens toting semiautomatic weapons into middle school the time has passed for morality lessons, your goal is some sort of civility among the citizenry. Eliminate the poisonous elements, free up resources, and potentially scare the negative elements into thinking twice, that's the BEST you can hope for. There are no morality lessons involved. Those are lessons that should have been ingrained before from childhood. If you don't get that shit before you've hit puberty you will NEVER get it.
I do not see euthanizing a vicious beast, human or other animal, as murder. It's just a necessity.
I believe you are born with a moral compass. You can grow up in abject poverty and if you were born with the right genetics, your moral compass will still swing to the + no matter what your circumstances.
You can grow up with ALL the advantages, and if you have the shitty genetics to have a crappy moral compass your needle will drag you to the - no matter how much money and therapy daddy and mommy invest in you.
Very, very, very, very, very few people end up in jail who haven't done something wrong at one time or another, that's a fact (and don't give me stories about juicers who are in jail who never did shit but steroids. How you and I feel about steroids is totally arbitrary. Steroids are illegal, that is the law). You hang with shitty elements, you participate in shitty activities, you end up in a shitty situation. Like a boyfriend once told me, "you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, you eat the cookies." That shitty situation being bad and scary is supposed to act as a deterrant to the elements of society who were born with a crappy moral compass. Deleting those genetic elements from the biological pool who aren't intimidated by threats of jail, who are predators, IMO, is doing nothing more than protecting the decent people who live in our society.
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enough for a few days worth of nightmares, that's for sure.
