the right way to train

[bigp3]

I guess I should make it clear what I meant. Increase weight = increased intensity in my definition. So, I agree with you guys.

 

[casualbb]

Right on bro. I got a little wary when I saw "intensity," which is one of the most ambiguous and mis-used words in the weight training lexicon.

 

[TENPACK]

bigp3, i knew exactly what you were saying and am in agreement, but i was just giving my view on what it takes to build strength and muscle.

 

[b fold the truth]

There are MANY ways to increase intensity. Recently...I've decreased the weight used and increased the intensity in other ways to get the desired results. Intensity can be increased by:
Less rest
Super sets
Giant Sets
more reps
forced reps
more volume
etc...

Moving more weight does not always mean that you will be bigger...not always. I am always increasing my intensity in one way or another...always.

B True

 

[TENPACK]

to a certain extent b fold the truth i see what your saying. but in the end, the stronger muscle, will be a bigger one. i can superset, giant set, drop-set etc. to my heart's content, but the bottom line for me, is an increase in weight in good form. Sure, i'm aware of these ways to increase intensity, but that wasn't the point i was trying to make. What i'm trying to say is that constant weight progression in safe form is what yields the most strength and muscle. THEN, i can start to manipulate my set procedure if all is going well with my progression of weights.

 

[b fold the truth]

I understand you, and what you are saying.

Just wanted to point out that when you get bigger, you will not always be stronger on the core exercises. I get bigger from doing higher reps but I don't get stronger from them.

B True

 

[TENPACK]

Exactly. Once your happy with how your weights are going, then i think you can add other variables.

 

[bigp3]

It all goes back to science and the overload principle. "Progressive overload induces muscular hypertrophy" these words are not mine, but from an A&P text book and are a pretty widely accepted scientific notion. Now granted, there are many ways to cause progressive overlods (i.e. supersets, giant sets and so on) but more weight seems to be the most obvious way. I would bet my left nut that someone who can squat 495 has bigger legs than someone who can squat 225 and so the debate continues.

 

[b fold the truth]

It all goes back to science and the overload principle. "Progressive overload induces muscular hypertrophy" these words are not mine, but from an A&P text book and are a pretty widely accepted scientific notion. Now granted, there are many ways to cause progressive overlods (i.e. supersets, giant sets and so on) but more weight seems to be the most obvious way. I would bet my left nut that someone who can squat 495 has bigger legs than someone who can squat 225 and so the debate continues.

I think that your example of 225 and 495 is a little big in the jump to make the example. I know guys with tiny legs who can squat 400+...and guys with much bigger legs who can squat 315.

Trust me though...I push myself to always get stronger every week. I'm not concerned with size though...at all.

B True

 

[bigp3]

b fold, I agree with you bro and I know my example is a little drastic. There is a guy in my gym that puts up 455 on the bench with ease and he looks like it would break him in half.

My point here was to give the newbies some direction. I just sick and tired of seing guys in the gym doing the same shitty weights week after week and asking me why they are not getting bigger. You know the knuckleheads I am talking about. Most of these guys think it is some kind of drug not hard work that gets you there. Obviously you have worked hard to get where you are at and maybe it can rub off on some of the new guys around here. Thanks for the discussion bro, I enjoy the wealth of information I have learned on here from everyone and best of luck in your competitions.