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The reason your pee turns rusty on TREN

stevesmi

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been reading up a lot on tren on a daily basis.. researching the sh:heart:t out of it. I guess I just love to read up on AAS? anyway i've seen a lot of explanations about why your pee turns rusty with tren. I came across this:

Kidney toxicity has been suggested, but has not yet been proven, and scientific evidence supporting the idea is absent from the bodybuilding community that perpetuates this idea. The origin of this myth most likely has to do with the rust colored oxidized metabolites of trenbolone which are excreted in urine and often mistaken for blood.. Trenbolone and 17epi-trenbolone are both excreted in urine as conjugates that can be hydrolyzed with beta-glucuronidase. This implies that trenbolone leaves the body as beta-glucuronides or sulfates.


here is the publications I found showing this:
Metabolism of anabolic androgenic steroids. [Clin Chem. 1996] - PubMed result

hopefully the bullsh:heart:t i've been reading on a lot of boards about why tren turns your pee rusty can start being corrected with this study. this myth is re-inforced by urologists who have never heard of finaplix and then written as gospel online.
 
Hm, thats interesting to know before I do my first cycle of tren.

I usually just use my urine color as a hydration level indicator.
 
I read the rusty colour in tren is something to do with the purity. Not all Tren is this colour some is very clear like plain old oil and the purity can alter the colour, apparently...

So maybe clearer tren is a sign of better quality.
 
who knows?

i wonder if anyone has read more info on this.

its frustrating that AAS is as sketchy as it is. but i guess thats what happens when its illegal and no one has the motivation to do studies. of course its good enough to inject cows with. we don't seem to give a damn about mother nature or her animals much.. or what we are putting in our bodies when we eat a tren injected cow.
 
If it is potentially that harsh on the kidney's what effects does it have on the liver? Perhaps the color means nothing, but since Tren does increase the BP it is going to stress the kidney's as well. There is not getting around that.

Any long term Tren users have anything to share on liver toxicity?

Thanks,
 
Remember guys multi vitamins can change the colour of ur pee. Just cuz Tren changes it doesn't mean its doing any damage. It might be nothing to worry about. Who knows...
 
If it is potentially that harsh on the kidney's what effects does it have on the liver? Perhaps the color means nothing, but since Tren does increase the BP it is going to stress the kidney's as well. There is not getting around that.

Any long term Tren users have anything to share on liver toxicity?

Thanks,

yes all AAS is harsh on the kidney's, no denying that. orals or injectable anything will raise RBC count and throw off several kidney values. I can confirm this from doing blood work off a deca/sust/dbol mass cycle. my liver values were fine btw ( i did use liver support)

as for tren's effect on the liver, good question.. based on my research like i said above some say it does effect the liver, and some say it doesn't. we just don't know yet. if anyone can come forward with some blood tests that they had during or after tren that would be great.
 
Interesting. But keep in ind , there isn't a lot of reason to test the side effects of vet drugs on humans because human's aren't supposed to be taking them.
 
I've been on tren for the whole transformation contest.have been taking cranberry pills by the hand full and urine stayed fairly clear until last 2 weeks and I've had some dark piss lately looks like ice tea nasty looking
 
I'm such an AAS geek. between watching the masters today I've been reading more studies on tren. i should get a life huh?

here are some interesting things in studies from those german scientists on that link i posted on tren's effects.


Twenty heifers which were each administered 3 or 4 implants containing trenbolone acetate were slaughtered at 30 days post-implantation. Liquid chromatographic analyses were conducted on muscle collected from the rump, loin, shoulder, and neck, and on the liver of each animal. Residues present in liver were primarily 17alpha-trenbolone, and the residues found in the various muscle samples were primarily 17beta-trenbolone. The mean concentration of 17alpha-trenbolone in liver was 4.3 +/- 2.3 ng/g; the mean concentration of 17beta-trenbolone in muscle tissues was < 0.4 ng/g. There was a small but statistically significant effect of the number of implants used on the mean concentration of residues in loin muscles; animals with 3 trenbolone implants had higher mean residue concentrations than animals with 4 trenbolone implants. This suggests that, though the impact of implant numbers on the mean concentration of residues in muscle tissues is negligible relative to currently generally accepted maximum residue levels, mechanisms may exist for selective distribution and retention of residues within different muscle groups.

Recently, a growth promoter for farm animals, trenbolone acetate, was identified as an environmental androgen that potentially affects reproduction. Because androgens also suppress immunity, it was hypothesized that an active metabolite of trenbolone acetate, 17beta-trenbolone (TB), might impair immune responses. Castrated adult CD-1 mice were injected daily with either one of two different doses of 17beta-trenbolone (TB), testosterone propionate (TP), or corn oil (vehicle). The antigen-specific immune response was assessed by measuring delayed-type hypersensitivity (DTH) responses. Reproductive response was assessed by measuring reproductive tissue mass and determining testosterone concentrations. Mice treated with TB or TP displayed larger reproductive tissue mass than males treated with corn oil. Furthermore, males exposed to the highest dose of TB displayed a reduced DTH response compared to vehicle-treated animals. In comparison, TP, at a similar dose, only minimally reduced the DTH response. These data support the reproductive and potentially immunosuppressive effects of this environmental androgen, and raise the possibility of health concerns for individuals or populations in contact with high concentrations of TB

Angus and Angus x Limousin cross steers (n = 182; initial BW = 309 +/- 27.8 kg) were used to evaluate the influence of an estradiol-trenbolone acetate implant (containing 24 mg of estradiol and 125 mg of trenbolone acetate) on production efficiency and carcass traits when administered at specific stages of growth. Treatments were 1) control, no implant (NI); 2) early implant (EI) on d 1 (BW = 309 kg); or 3) delayed implant (DI) on d 57 (BW = 385 kg). Comparisons were also made between the NI and implanted treatments (I; EI + DI). Steers were procured at weaning and were backgrounded (47 d) before the initiation of the experiment. Initial predicted carcass composition was 14.9% protein, 13.3% fat, 54.6% moisture, and 17.2% bone. Days on feed were constant across treatment. After 56 d, ADG and G:F were improved (P < 0.01) by implants, NI vs. EI (1.68 vs. 1.90 kg and 0.227 vs. 0.257). At d 57, predicted carcass composition did not differ among treatments. From 57 to 112 d, DI caused higher ADG than NI or EI (NI = 1.65, EI = 1.57, and DI = 1.78 kg; P < 0.05) and higher G:F (NI = 0.155, EI = 0.150, and DI = 0.173; P < 0.01). Cumulative ADG and G:F were improved by implants (1.65 vs. 1.73 kg; P < 0.05) and (0.175 vs. 0.186; P < 0.01) for NI vs. I, respectively, with no differences between treatments that involved implants. Cumulative DMI was similar for all treatments. Implanting increased dressing percentage (63.5 vs. 64.1%; P < 0.05) and increased (P < 0.01) hot carcass weight (341 vs. 353 kg) and LM area (76.5 vs. 81.4 cm(2)) for NI vs. I, respectively. Rib fat and kidney, pelvic, and heart fat were not affected by treatment, and treatment had no effect on the whole carcass proportions of fat, protein, or water. Implants advanced maturity scores (NI = A(51) vs. EI + DI = A(59); P < 0.01). Marbling scores were decreased (P < 0.05) by EI but not by DI (NI = Small(65), EI = Small(20), DI = Small(36)). The percentage of i.m. fat content of the LM was decreased (P < 0.10) by EI and was not affected by DI (NI = 5.1, EI = 4.0, DI = 4.8%). Treatment affected (P < 0.10) the proportion of carcasses with marbling scores greater than Modest(0) (NI = 23.6, EI = 7.8, DI = 22.6%). The results of this study suggest that growth of i.m. fat is sensitive to anabolic growth promotants administered during early periods of growth.

Environmentally relevant concentrations of 17beta-trenbolone cause a strong and irreversible masculinization of zebrafish and that raises concern about the effects of androgenic discharges in the aquatic environment. In addition this study also aids in understanding of the so far unknown sex determination process in zebrafish.

17beta-Trenbolone is a metabolite of trenbolone acetate, an anabolic steroid used as a growth promoter in beef cattle. 17beta-Trenbolone in runoff from cattle feedlots may reach concentrations that affect fish sexual development. Zebrafish were exposed to a concentration of 20 ng/L TB in a flow-through system for five months from egg until sexual maturity. This resulted in an all-male population. It was further found that all these phenotypic males displayed normal male courtship behavior and were able to reproduce successfully, implying that the sex reversal was complete and functional. None of the phenotypic males developed into females after six months in clean water, demonstrating that androgenic sex reversal of zebrafish is irreversible.
 
The moral of this story is don't use Tren. You can achieve the same look with different types of aas with hard work and solid diet. I would leave the Tren to the pro's cause it's not worth it at all.
 
Good Info Steve, thanks for sharing that. I have never had any issues with that however I drink a ton of water.
 
I've use Tren A and Tren E for periods of 8-10 weeks at a min of 400mgs/wk while running Test at a min of 500mgs/wk and never had any problems with the color of my urine..I just stay hydrated at all times
 
i have use two brands of tren.... on both cycles i drank pretty much the same ammount of water and took the same dosage of tren...
the first cycle my urine was nasty looking, this cycle im finishing now, my urine has been much clearer...

GCA tren for the win...

There ya go.. was there a difference in colour between the two brands?? The oil I mean.
 
I try and stay hydrated and not run tren too long. Could be a combination of both.
 
why do u say that winny,i plan on using tren in the near future

I say don't use tren because you could take so many other types of aas and get great results with minimal to zero sides. Tren is a nasty bitch and you will lose your gains and feel like crap when you're done. I've never done it but it's happened to all my friends that have.
 
I'm on a super dose of Tren, I stay hydrated and have noticed no piss color change.
 
Tren is a nasty bitch and you will lose your gains and feel like crap when you're done.

this! it's simply impossible to maintain the hardness and strength that comes with it...

also the urine color is just dehydration...
 
I say don't use tren because you could take so many other types of aas and get great results with minimal to zero sides. Tren is a nasty bitch and you will lose your gains and feel like crap when you're done. I've never done it but it's happened to all my friends that have.

did your friends run a short cycle and run an aggressive PCT?

a lot of people don't even bother to PCT and stop working out after a cycle, then their gains dissapear. know a guy who ran deca, built up like a beast.. then lost it all after cause he had no base and didn't workout after.
 
a lot of people don't even bother to PCT and stop working out after a cycle, then their gains dissapear. know a guy who ran deca, built up like a beast.. then lost it all after cause he had no base and didn't workout after.

I know lots of guys like this. They only workout when there on. And many times these are the people that do most of the bitching saying you can't keep your gains off cycle. Absolutely retarded.
 
^^^ damn right. I've kept 90%+ of my gains off my 3 previous cycles. ran aggressive PCT's, recovered as fast as possible.. haven't stopped working out 3-4X per week 1 hour sessions. and eating solid. IT CAN BE DONE! it helps that i have some beasts at the gym that keep me motivated and we all support each other, sometimes thats all it takes is some peer pressure

the guy in my example asked me like 10 times "will i keep my gains?" i told him "yes if you run a PCT and keep working out you should keep most of your gains" he didn't even have a PCT lined up... long story short he didn't bother with a PCT and just jumped into another deca cycle and then he lost it all and doesn't even workout anymore.
 
I know lots of guys like this. They only workout when there on. And many times these are the people that do most of the bitching saying you can't keep your gains off cycle. Absolutely retarded.

yepp the people who only workout twice a year to try and get in shape for a week of binge drinking lmao
 
only 6 weeks in mang and all the fun has just started ;)
 
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