The perfect pct!!! Lets hope

[dirtyluke1]

With much appreciated help from a few veterans
on here (you know who u are) we have come up with the perfect pct well let’s hope so!!! take a look see what u think input is much welcomed
hcg last 4 weeks of cycle at 500i.u e/o/d followed by pct of:
weeks
1-4 clomid/nolva 100/50/50/25 40/20/20/20
1-4 phytoserm347 1 cap twice a day
1-6 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm
1-4 HCGenerate 5 caps a day

 

[sony190]

looks real solid to me bro although i cant stand clomid

 

[mikevegas]

My personal feeling is that the natural test boosters should start at the end of the RX boosters. Clomid/nolva stacks have put users I know into the 1,000s test count range, adding Phytoserm to that won't make a difference. Hit the RX boosters first, the natural start the day those end.

 

[skaman007]

With much appreciated help from a few veterans
on here (you know who u are) we have come up with the perfect pct well let’s hope so!!! take a look see what u think input is much welcomed
hcg last 4 weeks of cycle at 500i.u e/o/d followed by pct of:
weeks
1-4 clomid/nolva 100/50/50/25 40/20/20/20
1-4 phytoserm347 1 cap twice a day
1-6 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm
1-4 HCGenerate 5 caps a day

i prefer..hcg 4x2500ius e3d whilst the long esters clear.(only if my cycles over 14 weeks,if less 4x1000ius e3d)nolva 2omg per day whilst takin hcg.then


1-4 50mg clomid
1-4 sustain. and unleashed,
4-8 either bridge ,phytoserms or hcgenerate,

 

[dirtyluke1]

My personal feeling is that the natural test boosters should start at the end of the RX boosters. Clomid/nolva stacks have put users I know into the 1,000s test count range, adding Phytoserm to that won't make a difference. Hit the RX boosters first, the natural start the day those end.

well if there will be no difference i might as well run the clomid/nolva for 1-4 alone
then the rest of the stuff 4-8 like u said i though it would be an added bonus to run it with clo/nolv guess not........thanks!!

 

[mikevegas]

Again just my opinion, but you're welcome brotha!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Drop the Clomid.

Get some HCG.

Use UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE .

Use the HCGen while on.

After PCT Follow with BRIDGE.

THAT is the perfect PCT.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Im sorry but clomid is a good drug to some...
If it works for him, works for him.
Wouldnt use HCG in PCT, just before PCT is ok.
Keep forma at 6 pumps a day. 10 pumps may become mildly suppressive..

 

[Nelson Montana]

Im sorry but clomid is a good drug to some...
If it works for him, works for him.
Wouldnt use HCG in PCT, just before PCT is ok.
Keep forma at 6 pumps a day. 10 pumps may become mildly suppressive..

That's the way to use HCG -- at the beginning of PCT, just to get things rolling.

 

[Like_a_Weed]

Here's my pct plan:

1-4 formastanzol
1-4 forged post cycle
1-4 unleashed
5-8 hcgenerate
5-8 phytoserm 347
5-8 bridge

No plan to use clomid or nolva though I have 50x 10mg of it. I will add hcgenerate to my last 4 weeks of cycle if I can afford to buy 2 bottles by then. I already had the bridge and unleashed, still need to buy the hcgen and phytoserm.

 

[skaman007]

My personal feeling is that the natural test boosters should start at the end of the RX boosters. Clomid/nolva stacks have put users I know into the 1,000s test count range, adding Phytoserm to that won't make a difference. Hit the RX boosters first, the natural start the day those end.

you speak a lot of sense bro......good to hear from a guy without a vested interest ...always the best and most reliable advice on any forum

 

[babushka]

I would drop nolva and keep clomid.

Also lets finally figure out how much formastanzol for PCT.

 

[caribeman]

I would go with HCG and Clomid, but proven by Bood Test results unlike some of the other items mentioned....

 

[dirtyluke1]

i was gonna run HCG last 4 weeks at 1000 i.u e/o/d.......also can you run the hcg for the last 2 weeks of cycle at a higher dose of say 1500 i.u e/o/d instead of 4 weeks?? or is 4 weeks better idea?
what is the idea of runing the hcgenerate last 4 weeks of cycle??
same as HCG? do them both or just one?

 

[babushka]

Those number are not correct.Use HCG starting from week 4 at 500iu per week not eod.

 

[skaman007]

i was gonna run HCG last 4 weeks at 1000 i.u e/o/d.......also can you run the hcg for the last 2 weeks of cycle at a higher dose of say 1500 i.u e/o/d instead of 4 weeks?? or is 4 weeks better idea?
what is the idea of runing the hcgenerate last 4 weeks of cycle??
same as HCG? do them both or just one?

if you have the hcgenerate already at hand use it last four weeks of cycle ,then use hcg 1000 eod for wks whilst the esters clear ,then your ready to start clomid or watever pct you do.

 

[dirtyluke1]

no i dont have hcgenerate yet but i do have the HCG though
2 bottles x 5000 i.u i will run the HCG at 1000i.u e/o/d/ last 2 weeks of actual cycle and 1 week after last shot of test total of 3 weeks will start pct 2 weeks after last shot of test
will run 1-4 clo/nolv, unleashed + post cycle + forma-stanzol
then 4-8 bridge 3 caps/day
hows that looking better????

 

[skaman007]

no i dont have hcgenerate yet but i do have the HCG though
2 bottles x 5000 i.u i will run the HCG at 1000i.u e/o/d/ last 2 weeks of actual cycle and 1 week after last shot of test total of 3 weeks will start pct 2 weeks after last shot of test
will run 1-4 clo/nolv, unleashed + post cycle + forma-stanzol
then 4-8 bridge 3 caps/day
hows that looking better????

looks good to me ....

 

[Rekrul]

I wonder why toremifane isn't used I instead of either clomid and nolva. I also wonder why people don't recommend using Hcg e3d at 250 to 500iu while on cycle

 

[Nelson Montana]

I would go with HCG and Clomid, but proven by Bood Test results unlike some of the other items mentioned....

This is absolutely untrue. HCG only simulates LH -- which gives a little kickstart but does not repair anything. And the research on CLomid is just the same flawed crap that's been passed on and on and on by internet gurus and people believe it. Of course, most experienced users now know the shitty sides of Clomid use. Meanwhile, the supps mentioned have become more and more popular -- not with newbies who believe MuscleTech ads -- but advanced steroid users. That says a lot.

And once again, it seems those who have the most criticism are those who haven't tried it.

 

[wootoom]

I think HCG, Unleashed and HCGENERATE are the best products I've ever used for PCT. Clomid did shit for me

 

[Ckrappraisal]

I've personally run a bottle of HCGenerate as part of my PCT and I wasn't impressed. After everything I've read I really had big expectations but in actuality I didn't really notice any improvement.... and I was struggling with libido after being totally shut down from a cycle.

For the first time in my life I got a session of limp dick and it was after being on the HCGenerate for over a week. Had to listen to my wife make fun of me for a week.

I do know that everyone is different and reacts differently to different products, maybe I'm just one of the unlucky ones?

 

[mikevegas]

I wonder why toremifane isn't used I instead of either clomid and nolva.

Torem is my preferred. I've seen amazing blood work - PCT results for people on Torem. For some reason that drug just hasn't caught on here.

 

[Rekrul]

Torem is my preferred. I've seen amazing blood work - PCT results for people on Torem. For some reason that drug just hasn't caught on here.

Yeah I agree. I prefer it as well. Though I have limited experience. I also believe in running HCG throughout the cycle at lower doses verse high doses at the end, it seems counter intuitive.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've personally run a bottle of HCGenerate as part of my PCT and I wasn't impressed. After everything I've read I really had big expectations but in actuality I didn't really notice any improvement.... and I was struggling with libido after being totally shut down from a cycle.

For the first time in my life I got a session of limp dick and it was after being on the HCGenerate for over a week. Had to listen to my wife make fun of me for a week.

I do know that everyone is different and reacts differently to different products, maybe I'm just one of the unlucky ones?

You did it wrong bro. HCGenerate alone is not great for PCT. Tribulus can elevate estrogen when LH is low. The way to use HCGen is while ON to keep LH high, THEN use HCG and THEN use UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and an anti aromatase. Follow with BRIDGE.

Trust me, THAT works. You can't use use ONE thing, the WORNG way and then knock it and everything else associated with it.

 

[Ckrappraisal]

I wasn't running the hcgenerate alone...I should have clarified, it was in conjunction with clomid for pct.

I'm running a Deca Test cycle right now with PCT to come in another 4 weeks. I'm running hcg on cycle and plan a Nolva/clomid PCT I also have a bottle of Unleashed I'll probably throw in.

I was under the impression HCGenerate was supposed to be a great libido booster during PCT????

 

[satyricon1]

I wasn't running the hcgenerate alone...I should have clarified, it was in conjunction with clomid for pct.

I'm running a Deca Test cycle right now with PCT to come in another 4 weeks. I'm running hcg on cycle and plan a Nolva/clomid PCT I also have a bottle of Unleashed I'll probably throw in.

I was under the impression HCGenerate was supposed to be a great libido booster during PCT????

Clomid for PCT sounds to me like the reason you got a limp dick. I am one of the people that have very negative experience with Clomid use for PCT. I have been using Nolvadex and Aromasin recently, in combination with HCGenerate. This time I will also use Forma-Stanzol. While ON cycle, I use 250IU of HCG x2/3 times a week. As my esters clear the body, I use 500IU of HCG EoD for 2 weeks. Then onto the PCT.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Clomid for PCT sounds to me like the reason you got a limp dick. I am one of the people that have very negative experience with Clomid use for PCT. I have been using Nolvadex and Aromasin recently, in combination with HCGenerate. This time I will also use Forma-Stanzol. While ON cycle, I use 250IU of HCG x2/3 times a week. As my esters clear the body, I use 500IU of HCG EoD for 2 weeks. Then onto the PCT.

Yep. He answered his own question. If Clomid is so great why'd you have trouble and why are you baling the HCGen?

Clomid is a dick killer. Trust me -- use UNLEAHSED and POSTCYCLE and you wot be able to keep your dick DOWN!

 

[babushka]

Shit man I have to chime in.
Clomid is a great PCT drug,helped me many times.My next pct gonna be Clomid and Formestane ( forma-stanzol).
HCG generate main ingredients are fadogia and fenugreek which is test boosters they might just didn't work for you.
I agree about nolva tho , nolva is garbage.
BTW wasn't impressed about bridge.

 

[satyricon1]

Babushka: I think you recovered despite of the clomid, not because of it. The way it works in the body has a lot of negative sides for the male individual. Maybe you did not experience or notice the sides, I as well have recovered while using clomid, but the sides from it were often disguised as "you always crash when coming off". To me that expression is simply a camoflage of the clomid sides. Without clomid, I have not had that "extreme craash" feeling..

Everyone is different I guess, maybe clomid is right for you. Personally I swear to Arimidex while on, Nolvadex and Aromasin when coming off.

 

[babushka]

Babushka: I think you recovered despite of the clomid, not because of it. The way it works in the body has a lot of negative sides for the male individual. Maybe you did not experience or notice the sides, I as well have recovered while using clomid, but the sides from it were often disguised as "you always crash when coming off". To me that expression is simply a camoflage of the clomid sides. Without clomid, I have not had that "extreme craash" feeling..

Everyone is different I guess, maybe clomid is right for you. Personally I swear to Arimidex while on, Nolvadex and Aromasin when coming off.

Maybe
Did you try formestane by the way for PCT?
All previous cycles I had clomid/nolva PCTs but there were bunch of articles on nolvadex-how bad it is (lowering IGF-1 and shit) so I've decided not to use nolva anymore.
I also believe that you have to use RX drugs for PCT first and then other HCG generate Unlished and other "products"if you needed.

 

[DickyDick]

Drop the Clomid.

Get some HCG.

Use UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE .

Use the HCGen while on.

After PCT Follow with BRIDGE.

THAT is the perfect PCT.

Nelson, can you PLEASE write down exactly what you mean ( i mean the weeks/dosage, what to take during the cycle and from which week to start, and what to take post cycle) .
Sorry about my dummyness on the case and thanks ahead !

 

[stevesmi]

am I blind or did the OP not even post what the cycle was?

that makes a huge difference as to when the esthers clear. and also need to know if tren or deca were run if dostinex was run during cycle.

 

[needtogetaas]

With much appreciated help from a few veterans
on here (you know who u are) we have come up with the perfect pct well let’s hope so!!! take a look see what u think input is much welcomed
hcg last 4 weeks of cycle at 500i.u e/o/d followed by pct of:
weeks
1-4 clomid/nolva 100/50/50/25 40/20/20/20
1-4 phytoserm347 1 cap twice a day
1-6 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm
1-4 HCGenerate 5 caps a day

drop the clomid to 25mg and the nolva to 10mg no higher then this one eather. If you are running tren,deca,npp or anything like this during the cycle then forget nolva for pct..

Truthfully the clomid and or nolva is not even needed as forma-stanzol is both a ai and a serm but suit your self my man.

 

[needtogetaas]

am I blind or did the OP not even post what the cycle was?

that makes a huge difference as to when the esthers clear. and also need to know if tren or deca were run if dostinex was run during cycle.

Ya think ... But when running forma-stanzol this lowers progesterone just fine my man so since he is using this he is covered.