I think some people on this thread may have misunderstood my intentions in stating that we have genetic limits. I didnt mean it to be an excuse to be lazy or to be a pathetic whiner, which is what most people who complain about being screwed with bad genetics do. I read these boards to learn from the experts (you guys) about how to work out. If I find an opportunity to contribute what I know to the conversation then I do it. The original question in this thread was "do we have genetic limits to how big and strong we can be". My answer to that is still yes, because it is the truth. Understand that I am not using that fact as an excuse to be lazy or complain. It's just the way things are. You are always better knowing the reality of things even though you may not like it so that you can effectively deal with it. Denying what is true because one doesnt want to believe it just makes that person seem foolish and holds them back from acheiving their goals. I think a lot of the reason why so many people hate the idea of having a genetic limit is because people have been telling them their whole lives that they cant acheive their goals because they are too sick, too short, too fat, too dumb, etc. Surprise: those people have no idea in hell what your genetic limit is do they? Do they have a copy of your genome in front of them? NO. Do they know who you are? No. Truth of the matter is most people dont have the balls to do the work to find out what their limit is. Human beings are finite, we all have limits, but its up to you to find out what that limit is, not have some one tell you what it is.