The Nation Spoke

[AAP]

and it said "buh-bye".

In a sign of a dispirited GOP base, most white evangelicals said corruption was very important to their vote — and almost a third of them turned to the Democrats.

Two out of three voters called the war very important to them and said they leaned toward the Democrats, while six in ten voters said they disapproved of the war. About the same number said they were dissatisfied with the president — and they were far more likely to vote Democratic.

Additionally, eight in ten voters called the economy very important to their House vote, and those who said it was extremely important — about four in ten voters — turned to Democrats.

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I bet Bushie ain't got the same lil shifty swagger in his walk this morning.

 

[manny78]

Powell for the GOP in 2008 !

 

[pintoca]

Vote for Pedro damn it!

 

[AAP]

Powell for the GOP in 2008 !

The GOP will put a black or a woman on their ticket.

 

[manny78]

The GOP will put a black or a woman on their ticket.

The only way for them to win. Powell or Rice.

 

[mrplunkey]

Well, they did a very good job turning this election into a referendum on Iraq. It will be interesting to see the House plan for "fixing" it now. My predicition is that once all the wrangling is over, they'll repackage the plan into something like "Stay The Course".

 

[rykertest]

and it said "buh-bye".

In a sign of a dispirited GOP base, most white evangelicals said corruption was very important to their vote — and almost a third of them turned to the Democrats.

Two out of three voters called the war very important to them and said they leaned toward the Democrats, while six in ten voters said they disapproved of the war. About the same number said they were dissatisfied with the president — and they were far more likely to vote Democratic.

Additionally, eight in ten voters called the economy very important to their House vote, and those who said it was extremely important — about four in ten voters — turned to Democrats.

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I bet Bushie ain't got the same lil shifty swagger in his walk this morning.

This vote came down to corruption and iraq. Being a staunch GOP'er, I wasn't surprised as this stuff was getting old I agree, but lets be fair. The NATION didn't speak, only 40% of them did.

I am still amazed at the low turnout in elections. Why we don't have 90% turnout just surprises the heck out of me.

 

[manny78]

This vote came down to corruption and iraq. Being a staunch GOP'er, I wasn't surprised as this stuff was getting old I agree, but lets be fair. The NATION didn't speak, only 40% of them did.

I am still amazed at the low turnout in elections. Why we don't have 90% turnout just surprises the heck out of me.

Because voting is not mandatory. It should....

 

[rykertest]

Because voting is not mandatory. It should....

I totally agree. You should HAVE to vote.

 

[redguru]

The GOP will put a black or a woman on their ticket.

Probably both, Dr. Rice.

 

[rykertest]

I have a coworker that hasn't voted in the last 3 presidential elections and now each time he starts talking politics, I just tell him, "Shut up man, you don't vote so your opinion doesn't really matter". Makes him so mad but everyone else in my office agrees and he can't really say anything. I love it.

 

[Smurfy]

Well, they did a very good job turning this election into a referendum on Iraq. It will be interesting to see the House plan for "fixing" it now. My predicition is that once all the wrangling is over, they'll repackage the plan into something like "Stay The Course".

Indeed, it will be interesting to see how this all pans out.

 

[redguru]

My district is staunchly conservative, due to the large number of active duty and retired military, so our conservative representative ran basically unopposed. I actually voted for Bill Nelson, because Katherine Harris is such a joke and ran even though she new she had no chance of beating him. Glad to see Crist winning the Gubernatorial race, Davis was running on a platform of increasing taxes.

 

[redguru]

Clueless people actually voted for amendments 4,6,7. So now we have to spend buku money on tobacco education, and property tax homestead exemptions increase for the elderly and veterans at the expense of all other taxpayers. Tools can't read.

 

[rnch]

I have a coworker that hasn't voted in the last 3 presidential elections and now each time he starts talking politics, I just tell him, "Shut up man, you don't vote so your opinion doesn't really matter". Makes him so mad but everyone else in my office agrees and he can't really say anything. I love it.

yeh u rite!

 

[velvett]

I bet Bushie ain't got the same lil shifty swagger in his walk this morning.

We can only hope.

 

[AAP]

The NATION didn't speak,

Yes it did. It said "Save the cheerleader, save the world."

 

[digimon7068]

yeah. . .a couple of years worth of cuts in defense/intelligence spending and we'll have skyscrapers laying in our streets again

 

[AAP]

The GOP will put a black or a woman on their ticket.

For those who didn't catch the sarcasm... ^^ It's there. The GOP really has a record for promoting blacks and women to their running tickets right?

 

[manny78]

So now what are you guys expecting ? The army pulling all its troops by the end of 2007 ? a 20% tax cut ? No more illegals ? I bet it's gonna be the same old song.

 

[mrplunkey]

Indeed, it will be interesting to see how this all pans out.

I want to see Speaker Pelosi try to sell her Iraq plan by saying: "When they step-up, we'll stand down."

Here's what we know:

1) We aren't leaving Iraq any sooner than two years... even if the presidency and Congress were 100% democrat or republican.

2) We aren't staying in Iraq any later than 8-10 years... even if the presidency and Congress were 100% democrat or republican.

3) We aren't going to publish a fixed timeline for withdrawl, since the terrorists could just superimpose their bombing and re-occupation timeline on top of it.

So yeah... I really look forward to the new, insightful plan that will set everything right.

 

[AAP]

yeah. . .a couple of years worth of cuts in defense/intelligence spending and we'll have skyscrapers laying in our streets again

Just like they did in the past when Bushie refused to listen to those people better prepared than he?

 

[digimon7068]

Just like they did in the past when Bushie refused to listen to those people better prepared than he?

clinton layed all of the ground work. . .bushie was just unlucky enough to be in the chair when the plan came to fruition. . .

 

[AAP]

clinton layed all of the ground work. . .bushie was just unlucky enough to be in the chair when the plan came to fruition. . .

The intel was all there... all he had to do was just listen... instead of occupying his thoughts with nothing but Iraq.

 

[manny78]

Wasnt Clinton offered Ben Laden on a silver plate ?

 

[AAP]

Wasnt Clinton offered Ben Laden on a silver plate ?

And Bush was too.

 

[mrplunkey]

clinton layed all of the ground work. . .bushie was just unlucky enough to be in the chair when the plan came to fruition. . .

So true. Rogue nations and global terrorism is always a "pay me now or pay me later" proposition.

It's easy to look back and call Iraq a mistake, but notice how both parties are running like mad from North Korea? Is there a single poster on this board that doesn't think:

1) NK will keep developing nuclear weapon technology

2) NK will make that technology available to a number of countries

3) NK nuclear technology will show-up somewhere and do some real damage in the next 10 years.

I'm willing to bet not a single person, liberal or conservative, would argue against those three things.

But now look at it from any single president's perspective: If you can lay low and just pretend it isn't happening, you can get past your administration, get your presidential library built, and be immortalized.

At this point, we'll probably need some good old NK nuclear engineering to show up in a LA or Manhattan port. Then, we'll all (democrats and republicans alike) act suprised and go do something about it.

 

[manny78]

And Bush was too.

Makes them equally dumb and responsible then.

 

[digimon7068]

The intel was all there... all he had to do was just listen... instead of occupying his thoughts with nothing but Iraq.

ummm. . .not sure what calendar you're using but, i'm pretty sure the focus on iraq showed up a little after 09/11/2001

 

[digimon7068]

At this point, we'll probably need some good old NK nuclear engineering to show up in a LA or Manhattan port. Then, we'll all (democrats and republicans alike) act suprised and go do something about it.

yeah. . .and six months later the bleeding heart liberals will be whining because we're spending money on national defense and they'll be "shocked" by all the people that are dying. . .DURING A WAR. . .

how soon we forget. . .

there's a real good reason why nothing has happened here since 09/11. . .we took the fight to them. . .period. . .

 

[rnch]

...there's a real good reason why nothing has happened here since 09/11. . .we took the fight to them. . .period. . .

has LH gained control of your username???

 

[bluepeter]

yeah. . .and six months later the bleeding heart liberals will be whining because we're spending money on national defense and they'll be "shocked" by all the people that are dying. . .DURING A WAR. . .

how soon we forget. . .

there's a real good reason why nothing has happened here since 09/11. . .we took the fight to them. . .period. . .

lmao

 

[digimon7068]

has LH gained control of your username???

LH? Nah. . .LL. . .Olde English filled my mind, and I came up with a funky rhyme. . .

 

[Testosterone boy]

The swagger was gone this morning.

Imagine that.

 

[FreeballinDC]

The GOP will put a black or a woman on their ticket.

While I appreciate your sarcasm, it would be nice to see Powell on the ticket for '08.

However, That Speech to the UN will haunt him for awhile, if not forever.

I know you didn't specify Powell in your post, but wanted to address his possible run specifically.

 

[mm107]

I didnt vote this time around, Only reason....too many fuckin corrupt politicians, DEMs or Repubs....Im gonna hold off on this one and really pay attention for my next president.

 

[Razorguns]

Bush ain't stupid.

He'll make plans to 'start reducing troops by start 2009' - which'll give him time to keep things the way they are, then leave office - and let the next repub president then come on, and continue things the way they are.

It's very easy to fool the public. Bush made a mistake by not setting a timetable and Cheney going 'we'll stay there til it's done'. bad answer.

 

[rykertest]

And Bush was too.

At least bush tried to do something about it. I at least respect him for trying even though it's not going as planned to say the least. Clinton was more concerned with the meaning of the word "the" when lying to us under oath as opposed to snubbing out bin laden.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I didnt vote this time around, Only reason....too many fuckin corrupt politicians, DEMs or Repubs....Im gonna hold off on this one and really pay attention for my next president.

You voted alright.

A vote of apathy.

Apathy lets corruption reign.

Protestors of corruption are the heroes though we may spend time in hospitals or jails for our vigilance.

 

[TADHealth]

The only way for them to win. Powell or Rice.

Rice cant win.

Powell or Rudy.

 

[TADHealth]

clinton layed all of the ground work. . .bushie was just unlucky enough to be in the chair when the plan came to fruition. . .

It happend on Bush's watch.

That isnt up for debate and it isnt assumed. Everything else has been.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Rice cant win.

Powell or Rudy.

Rudy would be a continuation of the PNAC.


Bush Jr Part Deux

 

[TADHealth]

Rudy would be a continuation of the PNAC.


Bush Jr Part Deux

While I agree in some ways, Im simply discussing who can win.

Not who is another GoP 'stepper. And I have serious doubts about Rudy, but he can certainly win, especially with his liberal views on a few key issues and still having the (R) next to his name and the GoP backing.

 

[AAP]

At least bush tried to do something about it. I at least respect him for trying even though it's not going as planned to say the least. Clinton was more concerned with the meaning of the word "the" when lying to us under oath as opposed to snubbing out bin laden.

Invading Iraq had NOTHING to do with Bin Laden or 9-11. What Bush did was turn Bin over to the regional warlords once he was cornered. We all see how great that little plan worked out.

 

[manny78]

Rice cant win.

Powell or Rudy.

Female black hispanic, damn a good mix to get the minority's vote.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Well, they did a very good job turning this election into a referendum on Iraq. It will be interesting to see the House plan for "fixing" it now. My predicition is that once all the wrangling is over, they'll repackage the plan into something like "Stay The Course".

Life was so much easier when we could blame minority groups who had supernatural powers for this kind of thing. {{{{{{nostalgia}}}}}}