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The importance of the right trainer.....

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This kind of belongs in this forum, as it definitely pertains to steroids....
But recently its really struck me just how important having a good trainer can be. I was a really tough sell on this subject, as everything I have done so far, I've done on my own, and I've done okay. But I realize I have totally hit the wall as far as gaining mass goes, in this last year my doses were crazy, the amounts of food obscene, and yet somehow I may have gained 5lbs of mass if I am lucky.
Then I look at some of the people my current trainer has worked with. A buddy of mine here has been working with her off and on when he has money for years....hasnt been for a while though, he has some coin now, so is back with her, and a few months later her is walking around at 275lbs.....at 5'8" for christ sakes, same height as me, and my fat ass only got to 260lbs. He is using way less steroids than I did as well....and he's still growing. I need to get to the nationals before this guy ever steps on stage again, I dont wanna face him till I've had a year or more with her.
Then there is another guy I know in town here. He was a big boy, 6'1", and started around 235lbs when he started working with her. A year and a half later, he was 288lbs, and still had abs and vascularity....He was on stage for his first show a few months later at 237lbs....thats 237lbs for his first friggin show, and if he had of brought his legs up, probably would have been 250lbs or more.
I really wish I had of gotten this through my head sooner, that I dont know half as much as I thought I did, I would have been much further along now.....
Just for laughs, here is are a few pics of my buddy that was 237lbs for his first show, after less than 2 years with her

BTW, he is the one on the right

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its hard finding a trainer in your gym when your 2 times the size of them . lol. after i graduate, i might be looking for a trainer when i have some money
 
Unless it's word of mouth from people you trust, it's difficult to find the right trainer at your level or higher. I'm sure for someone like me (small and fat) it would'nt be as hard because I have'nt "hit the wall" yet and anything might work for me.

Good for you NS. This seems to be exactly what you need right now. I say it's perfect timing.
 
You are so right. I started training at 16 6'ft and 135lbs. After 16 years on my own, drug free the whole time, I got to 245 at around 12% and competed in my last tested show at 210lbs 5% or so. But too many guys are out beating the test so I said if you can't beat the join them. So I worked with my friend that trains people for shows. I did another show 8 weeks after the tested show and with only 6 weeks of primo @250mg/week and 50mg of winny EOD for 7 I came in at 217.5 and tighter than the earlier show. Now I'm working with him to bring up weak points and put the needed size on to compete in the non tested shows. Lucky for me he doesn't charge me, but I reffer people to him all the time.
 
I don't know how people feel about being trained online but Dante's program seems ridiculous and if you can stick to it it seems like you would have no choice but to get huge. I have tried 3 times just to do the training part of it and I can't do it. At least not right now.
 
most gym trainers wouldnt be worth your time or money. The funny thing is that my trainer(check my sig to see her sight), an ex top IFBB pro with all her success as a trainer(hell she even trains other pros), costs me probably less than a gym trainer.

Depending on the program you get from her, its around $200 a month, and that includes all your routines(and they are like nothing I have ever done before), diets(bulking or cutting) and your stacks designed for you as well. Since I am within driving distance, that also includes two visits with her per month, where she re-evaluates everything and makes changes.
She does train people through the internet as well, and they do just as well as the ones that get to see her in person.
 
gonelifting said:
Unless it's word of mouth from people you trust, it's difficult to find the right trainer at your level or higher. I'm sure for someone like me (small and fat) it would'nt be as hard because I have'nt "hit the wall" yet and anything might work for me.

Good for you NS. This seems to be exactly what you need right now. I say it's perfect timing.
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That's not true. My friend that helps me is a national level BB but he works with John O'Regan who is Caprice Murray's "nutritionst". If you took a look at John in person you would be like what the F does this guy know? He doesn't even look like he could find the gym. But as my friend says he can take a look at you ant tell you exactly what you have been eating for the last few days and be dead on, the guy knows his shit!
 
needsize said:
This kind of belongs in this forum, as it definitely pertains to steroids....
But recently its really struck me just how important having a good trainer can be. I was a really tough sell on this subject, as everything I have done so far, I've done on my own, and I've done okay. But I realize I have totally hit the wall as far as gaining mass goes, in this last year my doses were crazy, the amounts of food obscene, and yet somehow I may have gained 5lbs of mass if I am lucky.
Then I look at some of the people my current trainer has worked with. A buddy of mine here has been working with her off and on when he has money for years....hasnt been for a while though, he has some coin now, so is back with her, and a few months later her is walking around at 275lbs.....at 5'8" for christ sakes, same height as me, and my fat ass only got to 260lbs. He is using way less steroids than I did as well....and he's still growing. I need to get to the nationals before this guy ever steps on stage again, I dont wanna face him till I've had a year or more with her.
Then there is another guy I know in town here. He was a big boy, 6'1", and started around 235lbs when he started working with her. A year and a half later, he was 288lbs, and still had abs and vascularity....He was on stage for his first show a few months later at 237lbs....thats 237lbs for his first friggin show, and if he had of brought his legs up, probably would have been 250lbs or more.
I really wish I had of gotten this through my head sooner, that I dont know half as much as I thought I did, I would have been much further along now.....
Just for laughs, here is are a few pics of my buddy that was 237lbs for his first show, after less than 2 years with her

BTW, he is the one on the right

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bro check your pm's
 
i just figured this out.. if its ~$200/ month for you canadian.. thats like $35 for us in the US! lol
 
i can peddle out a couple hundred bucks a month to a dedictated traner. shit i wish some one was eager to school me. because thirsty trainer+thirsty hammercurls = explosion
 
hammercurls said:
i can peddle out a couple hundred bucks a month to a dedictated traner. shit i wish some one was eager to school me. because thirsty trainer+thirsty hammercurls = explosion
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drop mine a line, I wish I had done it sooner
 
I've been looking into this. There is a place near by that specializes in personal training and nutrution consultations. Problem is I cant find anyone in the yellow pages that seems to be top notch enough to be able to deal with someone on gear. I am looking mostly to get rid of bad habits, get a little more drive, help my wife out with working out and most importantly in the kitchen for both of us. Any ideas on how to find someone hardcore like that, not just someone that's want to help you overcome an injury or lose 30lbs for quality of life ?
 
NYBodyguard said:
I emailed her at this point because im at a standstill in growth im down to try almost anything hope she can help
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I definitely think she would be able to help, I've seen her do some really impressive things with dudes in the offseason
 
bluehen said:
That's not true. My friend that helps me is a national level BB but he works with John O'Regan who is Caprice Murray's "nutritionst". If you took a look at John in person you would be like what the F does this guy know? He doesn't even look like he could find the gym. But as my friend says he can take a look at you ant tell you exactly what you have been eating for the last few days and be dead on, the guy knows his shit!
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John used to work with a couple friends of mine and I had several conversations with him about diets and supps. He never impressed me. That's just my opinion and my friends that he worked with also. His diets left much to be desired. At one point he had my friend eating like 600 calories a day! And I'm talking about a guy that in the off season was 240 at 5' 7". I took over his contest prep after that.
 
when I was in venice charles glass did train alot of guys besides top pros and big amuters.... i heard his fees were so super high
 
now that i think about it i will be inquiring a source for help. nothing im doing is working and am real frusterated at this point. i dont know if i can sucsessfully persue my goal with someone via internet. but hey who knows nothing suprises me anymore
 
hammercurls said:
now that i think about it i will be inquiring a source for help. nothing im doing is working and am real frusterated at this point. i dont know if i can sucsessfully persue my goal with someone via internet. but hey who knows nothing suprises me anymore
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considering the guy that just blew away all the competition in the provincials here, on stage at a huge 200lbs at 5'6"(and would blow my ass clear off the stage), was trained through the internet by a trainer that never saw him in person....then I would say it can be done
 
DieselGunz said:
How does she asses changes in diet or drugs through pictures and BF tests?
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pictures
you have to figure, if they can bring a bodybuilder in under 5% bf and dry as a bone for a contest that way, working with "normal" people through pics and the internet would be a joke
 
Hey Bro,

You are right Binnetti is great for contest prep. Where are you from, I have alot of friends in the Toronto, Mississauga area.


Some of my other pals work with Scott as well. Both are very good for getting dialed in

PM me any time man


take care
 
needsize said:
pictures
you have to figure, if they can bring a bodybuilder in under 5% bf and dry as a bone for a contest that way, working with "normal" people through pics and the internet would be a joke
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good point
 
Killer_Clown said:
Hey Bro,

You are right Binnetti is great for contest prep. Where are you from, I have alot of friends in the Toronto, Mississauga area.


Some of my other pals work with Scott as well. Both are very good for getting dialed in

PM me any time man


take care
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by hamilton, I meet her in mississauga every two weeks, or she drives down here
 
i dont live in canada so the only way she can asses me is VIA pics..im confused!! you guys say that online pics are a waste of time?
 
Its damn true..Need i cant agree more!!

I stick by the owner my gym..not only is he my friend but my mentor when it comes to taining. I have said it before im a firm believer because of him that less gear can be more. I use as little as possible in the right doses at the right times. He is old school has been around the sport forever just little tricks here and there that make all the difference.
 
by hamilton, I meet her in mississauga every two weeks, or she drives down here
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WOw i live in mississauga, if i ever get a trainer it would definetly be her, even more now that she is so close.
 
hammercurls said:
i dont live in canada so the only way she can asses me is VIA pics..im confused!! you guys say that online pics are a waste of time?
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who said that, read what I said about the guy that just won the provincials here, all his training was done online, and he absolutely blew away the competition, if a trainer can get someone into that kind of condition through the internet(and it is a real science), then working with anyone else would be very easy
 
hammercurls said:
ok thanks for clearing that up. im all for this program! im just weary disussing cycles and what not to someone else lol..
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weary about discussing cycles with someone who was a top IFBB pro herself, and knows all the top ones now....she is exactly who I want to discuss mine with
 
I guess I'm not too big on the idea of hiring someone to come in and motivate me. I'm not having problems with growing or eating, and am fairly confident that I will have improved from my last show. I don't have a lifting partner for that reason, as I haven't found a person that won't talk to everyone in the gym, or isn't as intense or motivated as myself. That's just where I'm at with my training..
If she can take you to the next level, go for it and we all wish you the best..
 
flex2win said:
I guess I'm not too big on the idea of hiring someone to come in and motivate me. I'm not having problems with growing or eating, and am fairly confident that I will have improved from my last show. I don't have a lifting partner for that reason, as I haven't found a person that won't talk to everyone in the gym, or isn't as intense or motivated as myself. That's just where I'm at with my training..
If she can take you to the next level, go for it and we all wish you the best..
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its not a motivation thing with me, i just cant get any bigger on my own. This last year I used huge amounts of gear, at 450-500 grams of protein every day(despite it causing my stomach no shortage of problems), never missed a workout, hell I even went in one week while I was coughing up blood...and I might have gained 5lbs
I need someone who knows that much more than me, to take me beyond this level with knowlege I just dont seem to have
 
needsize said:
its not a motivation thing with me, i just cant get any bigger on my own. This last year I used huge amounts of gear, at 450-500 grams of protein every day(despite it causing my stomach no shortage of problems), never missed a workout, hell I even went in one week while I was coughing up blood...and I might have gained 5lbs
I need someone who knows that much more than me, to take me beyond this level with knowlege I just dont seem to have
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That's exactly what I had figured with ya that you had been "tapped out". I knew you wouldn't take it as a flame...
Even with you annual subscription to Maxim and FHM you still aren't getting any beneficial training advice?? Time to break out the big guns...Men's Health, here we come.. :p
 
flex2win said:
That's exactly what I had figured with ya that you had been "tapped out". I knew you wouldn't take it as a flame...
Even with you annual subscription to Maxim and FHM you still aren't getting any beneficial training advice?? Time to break out the big guns...Men's Health, here we come.. :p
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Once you get to that level and beyond every little edge you get helps. It's like you can take an every day sports car and shave a coulpe of seconds off the quater mile pretty easy. But it takes a real knowlegable person to take even a couple of tenth's of of a top fuel dragster.
 
alltraps said:
if only you listened to me a year ago.....
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I know, I know, and rudy, and everyone else too, you know I have to wait long enough so it looks like it was my idea....
 
she's the last person you need to worry about.

hammercurls said:
ok thanks for clearing that up. im all for this program! im just weary disussing cycles and what not to someone else lol..
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You are lucky to have someone like that around your area. There is no one around here who could do that for me. I have a degree in exercise science and hold the CSCS through the NSCA, there aren't many around here who know more than me unfortunately. There aren't many competitive guys around here. They all come to me. The problem is I don't know that much. I just turned 25 and have only done 3 shows. I can make huge changes in average and even somewhat advanced people, but I couldn't probably take an advanced person and make dramatic changes.
 
silverbackn said:
You are lucky to have someone like that around your area. There is no one around here who could do that for me. I have a degree in exercise science and hold the CSCS through the NSCA, there aren't many around here who know more than me unfortunately. There aren't many competitive guys around here. They all come to me. The problem is I don't know that much. I just turned 25 and have only done 3 shows. I can make huge changes in average and even somewhat advanced people, but I couldn't probably take an advanced person and make dramatic changes.
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true, its tough to find trainers who have that kind of experience, not just as a trainer, but as a competitor who has been to the highest levels.
The first time we met, she told me that if I went into the show, and didnt feel tiny, and worn right out, then I did something wrong. She said backstage at the olympia she would be one of the largest competitors, and would still feel absolutely tiny....hearing that from someone thats been to that level has helped out a lot as I feel like I could shop in the little boys section for clothes now....
 
needsize said:
true, its tough to find trainers who have that kind of experience, not just as a trainer, but as a competitor who has been to the highest levels.
The first time we met, she told me that if I went into the show, and didnt feel tiny, and worn right out, then I did something wrong. She said backstage at the olympia she would be one of the largest competitors, and would still feel absolutely tiny....hearing that from someone thats been to that level has helped out a lot as I feel like I could shop in the little boys section for clothes now....
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Getting small like that is tough. It messes with your head something awful. My favorite part is when I weigh 225 a week out and people are calling me skinny, just goes to show you that it's all relative.
 
silverbackn said:
Getting small like that is tough. It messes with your head something awful. My favorite part is when I weigh 225 a week out and people are calling me skinny, just goes to show you that it's all relative.
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no kidding, I'm down to 212lbs at 5'8", and bf certainly is low, but I feel miniscule....
 
silverbackn said:
You are lucky to have someone like that around your area. There is no one around here who could do that for me. I have a degree in exercise science and hold the CSCS through the NSCA, there aren't many around here who know more than me unfortunately. There aren't many competitive guys around here. They all come to me. The problem is I don't know that much. I just turned 25 and have only done 3 shows. I can make huge changes in average and even somewhat advanced people, but I couldn't probably take an advanced person and make dramatic changes.
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It's also having someone other than yourself giving you honest input. I don't know about you guys but some days when I'm getting ready for a show I look at myself and am like "I'm flat, I'm small, I behind schedule". But then you get someone(who knows) to take a look at you and tell you your right on track.
 
alltraps said:
212? holy shit. too bad i cant be there to laugh at your skinny ass.
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haha, and what does yours look like after weeks of drinking like a fish and almost no training.....luckily that far north you wont have much else to do other than try in vain to get bigger than me.....

I feel small at 212lbs, but I woke up this morning, veins all up my abs and quads, striations everywhere.....that kinda helps....till I put on a shirt
 
don't let your "mind" fuck with your head

bluehen said:
It's also having someone other than yourself giving you honest input. I don't know about you guys but some days when I'm getting ready for a show I look at myself and am like "I'm flat, I'm small, I behind schedule". But then you get someone(who knows) to take a look at you and tell you your right on track.
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cobra108 said:
don't let your "mind" fuck with your head
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not going to happen this time.....
Not only do I have a trainer of Laura's calibre telling me I should be looking at overall trophies(unless some freak shows up which could happen), but the guy that will be the head judge at the first show trains at my gym, and put me through the poses the other day, and he said the same thing, long as I come dialed in
So I'm not letting them get me cocky into thinking anything is a lock, but it makes me feel a whole lot better about feeling small
And realistically, a shredded 212lbs at 5'8" is anything but small, I just need to keep telling myself that
 
I don't know why people think you can't be trained through the net. Charles Glass sometimes keeps track of his out of town clients through pics, phone and internet. That guy Dante turns many, many, many people into mass monsters through e-mail. Knowledge is knowledge. If something doesn't work out, I could only imagine it's because one didn't follow the exact advice they were given. I would recommend online training, and besides you really can't get a better endoresment than Needsize. The guy has went from big to supersized right before our very eyes over the last few years. If he say's something is working, I wouldn't doubt him.

People build friendships on-line (look at this site!), sometimes relationships and even enemies, why not get some training advice? Great thing about the net is that it brings people together that probably never would have been able to otherwise.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
I don't know why people think you can't be trained through the net. Charles Glass sometimes keeps track of his out of town clients through pics, phone and internet. That guy Dante turns many, many, many people into mass monsters through e-mail. Knowledge is knowledge. If something doesn't work out, I could only imagine it's because one didn't follow the exact advice they were given. I would recommend online training, and besides you really can't get a better endoresment than Needsize. The guy has went from big to supersized right before our very eyes over the last few years. If he say's something is working, I wouldn't doubt him.

People build friendships on-line (look at this site!), sometimes relationships and even enemies, why not get some training advice? Great thing about the net is that it brings people together that probably never would have been able to otherwise.
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exactly, I know of a lot that train people only that way, and we are talking top trainers
There are a few guys that I know of that have signed up with my trainer already from here, and I bet they report some impressive changes when its all over, provided they do what she says. I am so excited about the offseason as I know what she can do with me
 
I would have a hard time turning things over to a trainer. One of the things I find appealing about the sport is that I did it all myself. I guess if I felt had pro potential I'd be willing to take the risk.
 
Dial_tone said:
I would have a hard time turning things over to a trainer. One of the things I find appealing about the sport is that I did it all myself. I guess if I felt had pro potential I'd be willing to take the risk.
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But when you compete it really is a team sport. If NS' wife was not supportive of him he would either not be able to compete or not do as well. So if its a trainer, training partner, supportive spouse, or friends you do need help to get through it. In the end you still put the work in but bodybuilding is kind of a team sport.
 
Dial_tone said:
I would have a hard time turning things over to a trainer. One of the things I find appealing about the sport is that I did it all myself. I guess if I felt had pro potential I'd be willing to take the risk.
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I did have some trouble surrendering all control to her, as I have been at this a long time, and have accomlished a fair bit without any help....but that was the point of getting someone I knew had way more knowlege than me....made it easier to trust her with getting me where I need to go
 
bluehen said:
But when you compete it really is a team sport. If NS' wife was not supportive of him he would either not be able to compete or not do as well. So if its a trainer, training partner, supportive spouse, or friends you do need help to get through it. In the end you still put the work in but bodybuilding is kind of a team sport.
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I competed 5 times in the 80's during which I never had an SO; never told my parents about a contest until after and had no friends/gym buddies that had any contest experience to help me. My team was definitely a one-man show.
 
Dial_tone said:
I competed 5 times in the 80's during which I never had an SO; never told my parents about a contest until after and had no friends/gym buddies that had any contest experience to help me. My team was definitely a one-man show.
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sometimes I think that might be easier, as there wouldnt be any foods in the house I couldnt eat, no one eating stuff in front of me that I cant touch....but I love my familly so I guess its just a part of the game...nothing like having the baby actually put food in my mouth when I am starving, and having to take it back out again
 
Dial_tone said:
I competed 5 times in the 80's during which I never had an SO; never told my parents about a contest until after and had no friends/gym buddies that had any contest experience to help me. My team was definitely a one-man show.
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wow, thats crazy. i couldnt even imagine. good for you
 
needsize said:
I did have some trouble surrendering all control to her, as I have been at this a long time, and have accomlished a fair bit without any help....but that was the point of getting someone I knew had way more knowlege than me....made it easier to trust her with getting me where I need to go
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How much more knowledgeable can you get about diet and training? Are there new secrets we just don't know about that she knows>?
 
Neo22 said:
How much more knowledgeable can you get about diet and training? Are there new secrets we just don't know about that she knows>?
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to get to the top of the IFBB pro ranks like she did, you bet she knows stuff we dont. Every single guy that I know that she has trained has blown right past me in development, and in much less time than it took me to get anywhere. I've learned a ton just in the two months I've been working with her, and I've been at this a long time myself, and thought I was pretty knowlegeable
 
not to sound like an ass, is it that she trains you better or that she advocates GH/slin usage, more extreme cycles etc.
 
needsize said:
to get to the top of the IFBB pro ranks like she did, you bet she knows stuff we dont. Every single guy that I know that she has trained has blown right past me in development, and in much less time than it took me to get anywhere. I've learned a ton just in the two months I've been working with her, and I've been at this a long time myself, and thought I was pretty knowlegeable
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Are these guys natural or on AAS? I'm wondering what she can do for natural people.
 
AlwaysOn said:
not to sound like an ass, is it that she trains you better or that she advocates GH/slin usage, more extreme cycles etc.
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her cycles are milder than what I have been running for the last year or so. She does advocate gh/slin use, but most of the guys I know using her arent using any of that stuff, and are still making way better progress than me

neo, she works a lot with competitive bodybuilders, so they are all using AAS, but of course she can do just as much with natural trainees, the concepts are all the same
 
needsize said:
sometimes I think that might be easier, as there wouldnt be any foods in the house I couldnt eat, no one eating stuff in front of me that I cant touch....but I love my familly so I guess its just a part of the game...nothing like having the baby actually put food in my mouth when I am starving, and having to take it back out again
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who knows how far I could have gone with a real support system; no regrets though.
 
Dial_tone said:
who knows how far I could have gone with a real support system; no regrets though.
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you've definitely got very solid genetics, probably no limit to how far you could have gone
 
Im curious. If you can do so without giving away too much of the knowledge you're paying for, what have you changed that has made the most difference? Has it been diet, gear use, or training? Im sure all of them have been revamped, but Im thinking there must have been something that you were more "off" on (that your trainer brought to your attention) than you 1st thought as you were hitting that wall on progress.
 
Outtlaw said:
Im curious. If you can do so without giving away too much of the knowledge you're paying for, what have you changed that has made the most difference? Has it been diet, gear use, or training? Im sure all of them have been revamped, but Im thinking there must have been something that you were more "off" on (that your trainer brought to your attention) than you 1st thought as you were hitting that wall on progress.
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I second that
 
Outtlaw said:
Im curious. If you can do so without giving away too much of the knowledge you're paying for, what have you changed that has made the most difference? Has it been diet, gear use, or training? Im sure all of them have been revamped, but Im thinking there must have been something that you were more "off" on (that your trainer brought to your attention) than you 1st thought as you were hitting that wall on progress.
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seems so far after talking to her that it was my training that was the weakest factor. My methods of training have served me well, conisdering I started at 120lbs all those years ago, but to keep growing I needed something radically different. I even tried copying her training methods as I see guys that she trains all the time, and it did help, but I still didnt make half the progress they do. Its not just about exercise selection and reps, its the way everything is cycled week to week, and month to month, its all put together in such a way that the growth just keeps on coming.

Her cycles are different too, she builds some things up slowly in your blood, adds things in, takes things out, sometimes in ways that dont make sense to me...but the proof is in the pudding, look at the pics of the guy on the first page of this thread, he put that mass on it 1.5 years with her. He had a good physique before that, but nothing like what he ended up with.

She also designs the diet around you and your size, so no need to get as fat in the offseason as I have in the past, no guesswork
 
hammercurls said:
thanks needsize im currently swaping emails with her and most likely gonna give her a shot
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no problem
I'm happy to see people signing up with her.....it was a real realization on my part, that after all my years of training and research, that there really was that much that I didnt know, despite what I have accomplished. In fact, I would have been much further along now if I had of bitten the bullet, and just gone to see her, but my pride got in the way, and its cost me time now....
I know of a few guys that have signed up with her for the internet training, and am really looking forward to seeing how they do, the guys I know in person that have used her have all made wicked gains...and what you learn working with her is yours to keep, thats the nice part
 
Neo22 said:
waiting on her to get back with me.
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I know she just got back from montreal, so is catching up on emails, she just returned mine from saturday
 
from what i can quickly gather, your trainer changes your routines drastically from week to week. from that i might do a similar change also to keep my muscle "thinking"
i think this could be along the line of what your trainer could be doing.
 
sweed said:
from what i can quickly gather, your trainer changes your routines drastically from week to week. from that i might do a similar change also to keep my muscle "thinking"
i think this could be along the line of what your trainer could be doing.
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sort of, but its not a haphazard thing, there is a reason why the changes are the way they are, that cause the growth, after trying it myself for about 8 months, after watching her guys train, I still couldnt get the same results
 
Hey need..I must say you look great...I just read your entire thread in the Pictures Forum..Its really great to see a guy like your self that is still so humble. You are greatfull for what you have...and your a family man. Overall dude your amazing.

I dont know if you saw my contest pic page..but i need to drop my lats a bunch because im 6ft, and i had a lat tear 4 years ago!!(ouch)...

What does your back routine look like...You said you are big in to rows, what kind? Could you toss me a couple tips..that would be huge!! Thanks bro!
K comin your way if i can give you more.
 
LftHndPwrHouse said:
Hey need..I must say you look great...I just read your entire thread in the Pictures Forum..Its really great to see a guy like your self that is still so humble. You are greatfull for what you have...and your a family man. Overall dude your amazing.

I dont know if you saw my contest pic page..but i need to drop my lats a bunch because im 6ft, and i had a lat tear 4 years ago!!(ouch)...

What does your back routine look like...You said you are big in to rows, what kind? Could you toss me a couple tips..that would be huge!! Thanks bro!
K comin your way if i can give you more.
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I'll go check out your pics

This last year, I concentrated on stuff like heavy pull downs, wide grip and parallel grip, some chins(they hurt my bi tendons), and lots of rows, everything from bent over barbell to cable, to some of the many hammer strength ones. I upped my total of sets of pulldowns/rows to around 15 sets per workout, and dropped deadlifts to once every two or three weeks as I can rep out 500lbs for sets of 10, and it never did anything for my back
 
Thanks alot Need Ill work on that. 15 sets..alone on pull downs and rows...wow..thats like 3/4 of my total sets for my work outs.

How do you feel about close grip pull downs?
 
LftHndPwrHouse said:
Thanks alot Need Ill work on that. 15 sets..alone on pull downs and rows...wow..thats like 3/4 of my total sets for my work outs.

How do you feel about close grip pull downs?
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I didnt start doing those until contest prep as they are in her workouts, probably very good for offseason but I never thought to do them
 
so is the 12/15 sets plus all the extra only pre contest?

If so what do you do when your not in the pre contest stage, how many sets?

Im doing 16-20max no all heavy reps
 
LftHndPwrHouse said:
so is the 12/15 sets plus all the extra only pre contest?

If so what do you do when your not in the pre contest stage, how many sets?

Im doing 16-20max no all heavy reps
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that was offseason, it would be 13-15 sets of rows/pulldowns, pluss shrugs and rear delts. Similar number of sets precontest too, except no direct trap work and rear delts are with shoulders
 
just an update

on wed. I got my detailed plan, she sent it fedex.

Now training wise for my goals she really took time to really create an amazing 10 week program, food is also somethin ill be following what she suggest.

As far as cycels go I dont know yet but shes working on one for me.

My goals are different then many, im not into the all cut up shredded look, not really ab crazy either, just want to add good mass and have a a few cuts thats about it, one thing for sure its no cookie cutter bullshit she sends.

Will keep everyone posted on progress.
 
NYBodyguard said:
just an update

on wed. I got my detailed plan, she sent it fedex.

Now training wise for my goals she really took time to really create an amazing 10 week program, food is also somethin ill be following what she suggest.

As far as cycels go I dont know yet but shes working on one for me.

My goals are different then many, im not into the all cut up shredded look, not really ab crazy either, just want to add good mass and have a a few cuts thats about it, one thing for sure its no cookie cutter bullshit she sends.

Will keep everyone posted on progress.
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Congrats on getting the program! Keep us posted on the results.
 
needsize said:
that was offseason, it would be 13-15 sets of rows/pulldowns, pluss shrugs and rear delts. Similar number of sets precontest too, except no direct trap work and rear delts are with shoulders
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Interesting. I never did my rear delts with my back work outs. I have added traps though.

Ill give it a try!

Oh ya i did your ab routine today...I like I like!!
 
NYBodyguard said:
just an update

on wed. I got my detailed plan, she sent it fedex.

Now training wise for my goals she really took time to really create an amazing 10 week program, food is also somethin ill be following what she suggest.

As far as cycels go I dont know yet but shes working on one for me.

My goals are different then many, im not into the all cut up shredded look, not really ab crazy either, just want to add good mass and have a a few cuts thats about it, one thing for sure its no cookie cutter bullshit she sends.

Will keep everyone posted on progress.
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awesome, cant wait to see how you do on it, I havent seen anyone yet who hasnt made awesome gains with her stuff

LftHndPwrHouse, my rear delts and traps sucked, so I started doing them both with back and shoulders, and both really came up for me this year
Glad you like the ab routine, I've added a few little changes to my routine, and abs are looking sick, cant wait to see them at show time
 
I'm getting one of her programs next week. Lets see what she can do for a natty person. If I gain nothing then its just money.
 
Neo22 said:
I'm getting one of her programs next week. Lets see what she can do for a natty person. If I gain nothing then its just money.
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I'm sure you will make gains, just not as much as someone on juice. The nice thing is you will learn, and the info is yours to keep afterwards
 
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