The Good Thing About Shorter Cycles

[Nelson Montana]

The simple answer is -- you can take shorter time IN-BETWEEN cycles.

Ever notice that you still look "on" a few weeks after a cycle. People will say this is because T levels are still elevated but that's a complete myth. The half life of a long ester such as cyp or enth is 2 weeks. 2 weeks after your last shot, you're back down to normal and beginning suppression. (BTW, That's why I developed UNLEASHED -- to maximize the bioavailable T at this time. )So why do you still look good?Because the body takes time to readjust. You don;t lose muscle overnight.

So how about THIS?

If you keep cycles shorter, there's less suppression and you can go on sooner. Then gains will be steadier. Doesn't it make more sense to do six weeks on and 6 weeks off, back and forth instead of 6 months on and 6 months off? With the former you'd continue making steady gains. With the later you'll lose it all and start all over.

And if you use BRIDGE for those 6 weeks off you won't even feel like you came off!

So the next time someone says you need 10, 12, 16, 24 weeks cycles. That's horseshit. You can make steadier , more solid gains with shorter, more frequent cycles.

And no, short esters have nothing to do with short cycles. Use an oral to get levels up quickly. The long ester will taper naturally.

Trust me on this. It may not be as instantly dramatic, but when it comes to making progress over the long haul, it's the way to go.

 

[Txwarnerve]

I don't think EQ would fit into this argument.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I don't think EQ would fit into this argument.

Why not?

 

[redheat7]

So when do u suggest pct start and how long for?


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[Txwarnerve]

Why not?

well it took me about 8 weeks before I really noticed it, if you stop at 6 weeks then you waste it. But please if you think there's a way to put it into a 6 week cycle tell me, I'm all ears.

 

[El Hefe]

The simple answer is -- you can take shorter time IN-BETWEEN cycles.

Ever notice that you still look "on" a few weeks after a cycle. People will say this is because T levels are still elevated but that's a complete myth. The half life of a long ester such as cyp or enth is 2 weeks. 2 weeks after your last shot, you're back down to normal and beginning suppression. (BTW, That's why I developed UNLEASHED -- to maximize the bioavailable T at this time. )So why do you still look good?Because the body takes time to readjust. You don;t lose muscle overnight.

So how about THIS?

If you keep cycles shorter, there's less suppression and you can go on sooner. Then gains will be steadier. Doesn't it make more sense to do six weeks on and 6 weeks off, back and forth instead of 6 months on and 6 months off? With the former you'd continue making steady gains. With the later you'll lose it all and start all over.

And if you use BRIDGE for those 6 weeks off you won't even feel like you came off!

So the next time someone says you need 10, 12, 16, 24 weeks cycles. That's horseshit. You can make steadier , more solid gains with shorter, more frequent cycles.

And no, short esters have nothing to do with short cycles. Use an oral to get levels up quickly. The long ester will taper naturally.

Trust me on this. It may not be as instantly dramatic, but when it comes to making progress over the long haul, it's the way to go.

Good info Nelson. I agree that short cycles are very effective.

As far as short cycles go, 6-8 weeks is enough to make gains and recovery quickly. Sure, you might not gain as much with a 6 week cycle, but you make up for that with a quick and solid recovery.

 

[carnivore24]

I am on trt and go in for blood work every 5-6 months. and have to stop blasting to get back to normal range which from experience can take longer than 2 weeks.

ie I was on 700 test/wk and 3 weeks later my test levels were 1350. range was 250-850. doc was not happy. but I will say a week later I was at 590. so it was 4 weeks after last shot. just some random first hand experienc

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[stevesmi]

well it took me about 8 weeks before I really noticed it, if you stop at 6 weeks then you waste it. But please if you think there's a way to put it into a 6 week cycle tell me, I'm all ears.

if you want to do the short cycle thing nelson advocates then you don't want to run long estered roids. U or D esters should be avoided.

 

[carnivore24]

o forgot to mention though implied, I used no test in those 4 weeks, and I use test cyp

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[stevesmi]

I am on trt and go in for blood work every 5-6 months. and have to stop blasting to get back to normal range which from experience can take longer than 2 weeks.

ie I was on 700 test/wk and 3 weeks later my test levels were 1350. range was 250-850. doc was not happy. but I will say a week later I was at 590. so it was 4 weeks after last shot. just some random first hand experienc

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once cyp is built up in your system it takes longer than 2 weeks to clear. it takes about 5-6 weeks total.

even if its a small amount, even if its a non-active amount.. it doesn't matter..the body will still be suppressed even with small amounts of hormones left. so really a 4 week cycle is really a 9 week cycle with a low amount of hormones in your body from week 5 on. so really its a waste to use long esters. if you want to run short cycles like this run prop or suspension

 

[Nelson Montana]

well it took me about 8 weeks before I really noticed it, if you stop at 6 weeks then you waste it. But please if you think there's a way to put it into a 6 week cycle tell me, I'm all ears.

What you notice and what is occurring are 2 different things. EQ doesn't lie dormant and then suddenly start working after 8 weeks.

A lot of people don't start seeing results until late in the cycle for many reasons. I'd have to evaluate what you're doing and what you;re doing wrong. I notice a difference within 2 weeks, sometime less, no matter what I use. Though as suggested, you can use orals the first week to get your AAS levels up immediately.

The reason carnivore levels were still high after 3 weeks was the amount he was taken, but I still have to suspect that's a bit high, though he admits the following week it dropped in half. So, in some cases, some people may retain the effects longer, but the ester is active for 2 weeks, after which it will dissipate. In some people it may dissipate a few days slower. At any rate, a few days here and there don't matter. You should always consider the last 2 weeks after your last shot as still "on" and then the time "off" from there.

 

[RickRock13]

There is a lot of merit to running shorter cycles since gains stall out after 8-10 weeks due to myostatin and homeostasis anyways.

However there are a lot of valid arguments with longer cycles as well, especially when doing a recomp cycle like I do (bulk up first half of cycle, cut last half) or for a longer contest prep of 12-16 weeks.

Most of the time I keep my cycles around 12 weeks which seems to be a good number for me and my goals

 

[thedarkhalf]

There are both pros and cons to each side of the arguement....

I personally prefer longer cycles that are progressive in nature; 12-16wk for me

 

[nortex]

There is a lot of merit to running shorter cycles since gains stall out after 8-10 weeks due to myostatin and homeostasis anyways.

However there are a lot of valid arguments with longer cycles as well, especially when doing a recomp cycle like I do (bulk up first half of cycle, cut last half) or for a longer contest prep of 12-16 weeks.

This is probably the best protocol for longer cycles, because the myostatin issue is very real.

What I find most interesting regarding the myostatin issue is that it was very consistent in the way it effected both groups.

Both groups, older and younger men reached peak myostatin levels at 8 weeks (56 days) and then came back down to baseline at week 20 (day 140).

Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum
Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum: Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects of testosterone administration

So this would indicate that EVERYONE is effected by the myostatin issue.

Now, of course you might be able to change, bump or extend things a little by switching up compounds, increasing doses, etc. But, either way, this study clearly shows that your body (via myostatin) is fighting you.

So Rick's protocol seems to be the most sensible for longer cycles.

By the way, I've always found 6-8 week cycles or blasts to be most effective. After that, gains stall and then I lose focus and intensity.