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The Galaxy Situation

George Spellwin

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Members,

I apologize for the time it took me to look into the situation, but here is my understanding of what happened to Galaxy and what I have done about it. I appreciate your patience and understanding, but I wanted to get the facts straight before I posted.

It appears that one of our Mods posted fake pics as his own. Not really the worst thing in the world, but not the most honorable thing either. Galaxy discovered this and pointed it out to our members which upset this mod.

On or around the same time, Galaxy also discovered that one of our members was a drug dealer and that not only was he dealing, but that he was also scamming members on the site. The dealer was promptly banned. Unfortunately, angry that his postings about the fake pictures were suppressed, he became overzealous in his accusations to the point of insinuating that EliteFitness.com was in some ways involved with this dealer.

This led to our making the mistake of giving him a prolonged "time out" while we looked into everything that was going on. Galaxy was never banned, instead, he was put temporarily on everyone's ignore list - he could post, but you could not see his posts. This was our mistake - not only in doing this hastily, but also is leaving him there for too long. Regardless, he should not have made insinuations about us that are completely unfounded.

A couple years ago, I was supposedly connected to the FEDS. Absolutely not true - this one comes along every couple of years. Now, EF is supposedly connected to a dealer. Again, absolutely not true. How silly would it be for me to turn to selling drugs when I make a good living selling Karma and Platinum :).

We spoke with Galaxy on the phone today and asked him to rejoin our community. We apologized for the prolonged time out. And he apologized for any inaccurate insinuations. We gave him a complimentary two month Platinum Membership and he told us that he is so glad to be back that he will certainly continue as a paying Platinum Member once his two complimentary months are up as he always generously did in the past.

Here is a little into on how I have instructed our Mods to use their power. First, only our Admins, digger, BRR, and me can ban a Platinum Member. Mods have no banning authority over Plats. Only three Mods have the ability to ban a regular member: Manny, Pamela, Velvett. All of our Mods and Admins know that there needs to be a consensus of three Mods in order to ban a regular member. In the case of Galaxy, this instruction was not followed and consequently, he was inappropriately put on time out. None of the other Mods have banning authority - although they can make recommendations. We also pay close attention to the recommendations of our new Chairman Members.

Please accept my apologies for the mistakes and confusion and I hope that everyone feels that the situation was resolved satisfactorily.
 
This wouldn't have happened if y'all had more minority mods.........BLACK POWER!

:-)
 
fuck would u call me if i got banned for a stupid excuse?
 
great thread. when you allow the memebrs to see a little more of the interworkings of the site, there is much less to gossip and conspire about.
 
ok. so what about the behavior of this mod that posted the fake pics? What is your stance on behavior for mods? Does one need to possess any special qualities to be one? Honesty, Integrity, blah, blah? Or do these things not matter?

I really like this site. I pay you money to be a member. I feel that for this money, I should have a little peace of mind regarding mods and admins. I don't have to like them, but I sure as hell would like to trust them.
 
the-short-one said:
ok. so what about the behavior of this mod that posted the fake pics? What is your stance on behavior for mods? Does one need to possess any special qualities to be one? Honesty, Integrity, blah, blah? Or do these things not matter?

I really like this site. I pay you money to be a member. I feel that for this money, I should have a little peace of mind regarding mods and admins. I don't have to like them, but I sure as hell would like to trust them.
i can't believe you put that in your sig.
 
Lestat said:
your sig is awesome the short one!! hahaha
mos' def'. she's gotta Flava of Da Month all over her. take the throne, Darlin' and rule with an iron hand, but try not to say anything that'll get you banned....
 
the-short-one said:
ok. so what about the behavior of this mod that posted the fake pics? What is your stance on behavior for mods? Does one need to possess any special qualities to be one? Honesty, Integrity, blah, blah? Or do these things not matter?

I really like this site. I pay you money to be a member. I feel that for this money, I should have a little peace of mind regarding mods and admins. I don't have to like them, but I sure as hell would like to trust them.

Radar has been a great mod and I think that the Pics may have been just a joke at first. Honesty and Integrity are both very important for mods - but so is a healthy dose of skepticism for everyone.
 
George Spellwin said:
Radar has been a great mod and I think that the Pics may have been just a joke at first. Honesty and Integrity are both very important for mods - but so is a healthy dose of skepticism for everyone.
but its deeper than the pics george , much deeper
 
George Spellwin said:
Radar has been a great mod and I think that the Pics may have been just a joke at first. Honesty and Integrity are both very important for mods - but so is a healthy dose of skepticism for everyone.

I totally agree with you Georgie. I think he did START it as a joke, way back when. But the problem arises when he continually assured us that it was him. Then tryed to say it was a joke from way back, and that he admitted it was fake back then too. We found a post, in Dec of 2005, that contradicts the whole "i admitted back then" thing. My problem with it is that he continually lied about it. That lead to more lies, trying to cover up his first. LIE AFTER LIE. This lead all the way up until last December. What else could he be lying about? His ulcer? Whats next?

How can you trust someone like that?! Wheres the integrity??

Chris
 
George Spellwin said:
Radar has been a great mod and I think that the Pics may have been just a joke at first. Honesty and Integrity are both very important for mods - but so is a healthy dose of skepticism for everyone.
I have to disagree with you there. I don't think you want members here to be skeptical of your senior staff members. I know I'd like to be able to trust them.
 
khemix said:
I totally agree with you Georgie. I think he did START it as a joke, way back when. But the problem arises when he continually assured us that it was him. Then tryed to say it was a joke from way back, and that he admitted it was fake back then too. We found a post, in Dec of 2005, that contradicts the whole "i admitted back then" thing. My problem with it is that he continually lied about it. That lead to more lies, trying to cover up his first. LIE AFTER LIE. This lead all the way up until last December. What else could he be lying about? His ulcer? Whats next?

How can you trust someone like that?! Wheres the integrity??

Chris


Where have you been? I remember the Hot or Not thread you made and people including myself bashed you.
 
khemix said:
I totally agree with you Georgie. I think he did START it as a joke, way back when. But the problem arises when he continually assured us that it was him. Then tryed to say it was a joke from way back, and that he admitted it was fake back then too. We found a post, in Dec of 2005, that contradicts the whole "i admitted back then" thing. My problem with it is that he continually lied about it. That lead to more lies, trying to cover up his first. LIE AFTER LIE. This lead all the way up until last December. What else could he be lying about? His ulcer? Whats next?

How can you trust someone like that?! Wheres the integrity??

Chris
exactly. he lied about pics. how about his stats? his ulcer? etc.

Like I asked yesterday, was RADAR ever a competative body builder? Did he compete?

I ask because I always ASSUMED he did! I am sure many other did too, because two of the pictures he posted of himself were obviously from shows.
 
eat big said:
Where have you been? I remember the Hot or Not thread you made and people including myself bashed you.

Lol I've been more browsing elite than posting. Damnit I hate that thread. I must admit I was quite innebriated when I made it. Thats the only 'excuse' I've got for that. A temporary explosion of ego perhaps? Either way it sucked and was quite stupid of me lol.

Chris
 
Lestat said:
I have to disagree with you there. I don't think you want members here to be skeptical of your senior staff members. I know I'd like to be able to trust them.

I would too, but experience has taught me differently. Remeber too, you guys elect the mods, not me.
 
George Spellwin said:
I would too, but experience has taught me differently. Remeber too, you guys elect the mods, not me.

Does this mean we can also vote them off? A pole perhaps? I think RADAR is a definant asset here. He has a wealth of knowledge, so I've been lead to believe. But I DONT think he deserves to be a mod anymore.

Its not about the pics.

Its about what he did to cover it up.


Chris
 
khemix said:
Does this mean we can also vote them off? A pole perhaps? I think RADAR is a definant asset here. He has a wealth of knowledge, so I've been lead to believe. But I DONT think he deserves to be a mod anymore.

Its not about the pics.

Its about what he did to cover it up.


Chris

We can consider that. Remember, you have to be Platinum to vote ;)
 
George Spellwin said:
Radar has been a great mod and I think that the Pics may have been just a joke at first. Honesty and Integrity are both very important for mods - but so is a healthy dose of skepticism for everyone.

This situation probably wouldn't have progressed this far had it been handled differently. Several Platinum members were upset by the events that followed the "fake pic" thread, and we voiced our opinions. We were immediately shut down and censored. Threads were deleted and edited. We were flamed by mods and admins, who banned together against us rather than try to help us. IMO, not good when you're dealing with paying customers.

I am very happy to see Velvett, Pamela, etc at the top of your list. I trust them completely and feel confident that things will be handled the way they're supposed to be. So thank you, GS for putting my mind at ease.
 
George Spellwin said:
We can consider that. Remember, you have to be Platinum to vote ;)

Lol I agree with that! I've been planning to go plat soon anyways, especially since I've been frequenting the board more and more lately than usual. I've been platinum before, but other things gained my interest. I'll make you a deal. You agree to start a pole, I'll go platinum that second. :)

Chris
 
khemix said:
Lol I agree with that! I've been planning to go plat soon anyways, especially since I've been frequenting the board more and more lately than usual. I've been platinum before, but other things gained my interest. I'll make you a deal. You agree to start a pole, I'll go platinum that second. :)

Chris

Same here. Just for a month.
 
the-short-one said:
This situation probably wouldn't have progressed this far had it been handled differently. Several Platinum members were upset by the events that followed the "fake pic" thread, and we voiced our opinions. We were immediately shut down and censored. Threads were deleted and edited. We were flamed by mods and admins, who banned together against us rather than try to help us. IMO, not good when you're dealing with paying customers.

I am very happy to see Velvett , Pamela , etc at the top of your list. I trust them completely and feel confident that things will be handled the way they're supposed to be. So thank you, GS for putting my mind at ease.
not to mention that they're frickin' hawt! there aren't many lists in existence that they aren't at the top of.....
 
its poll, not pole bro ;)

and again, I don't think you really want the average member of this site to be skeptical of an "Elite Moderator".. especially when doing things like source checks, asking for supplement advice, etc. With that title comes responsibility.
 
khemix said:
Mine will be for atleast 3 :heart:

There's a minor issue that needs to be addressed as well before I pay for 3. I will submit a support ticket for that one. No need to bring it up here.
 
khemix said:
Lol I agree with that! I've been planning to go plat soon anyways, especially since I've been frequenting the board more and more lately than usual. I've been platinum before, but other things gained my interest. I'll make you a deal. You agree to start a pole, I'll go platinum that second. :)

Chris

Chris,

You don't need me for that. Why not upgrade and post the poll in the Platinum Underground forum? You can llink to it here.

Did you want the 6 month plus 3 month free Platinum Membership, or would you prefer to save even more with the one year plus 7 months free membership? And thank you for supporting the site!
 
nycgirl said:
There's a minor issue that needs to be addressed as well before I pay for 3. I will submit a support ticket for that one. No need to bring it up here.
I'd like to know what it is
 
Lestat said:
its poll, not pole bro ;)

and again, I don't think you really want the average member of this site to be skeptical of an "Elite Moderator".. especially when doing things like source checks, asking for supplement advice, etc. With that title comes responsibility.

Damn I knew it looked funny. 100% agree with you though.
 
George, isn't impersonating someone else a violation of the TOS?
 
George Spellwin said:
Chris,

You don't need me for that. Why not upgrade and post the poll in the Platinum Underground forum? You can llink to it here.

Did you want the 6 month plus 3 month free Platinum Membership, or would you prefer to save even more with the one year plus 7 months free membership? And thank you for supporting the site!

Actually the 3 month is the only thing i can afford at this current moment. But I've got my debit card in hand, waiting for that poll! I have no doubt I'll go platinum either way though, so don't let that worry you. I was just trying to persuade you to agree to allow us an impeachment poll!

Should we make a poll on weather or not to make an impeachment poll??
 
nycgirl said:
There's a minor issue that needs to be addressed as well before I pay for 3. I will submit a support ticket for that one. No need to bring it up here.

I just checked your account - it looks like you are good until 4/7 and when your membership renews, you get the free bonus month, plus two more bonus months because you took advantage of the special:

2 Extra Months Platinum + 10,000 Karma Hits Special

So on 4/7, you'll be renewed for 6 months at the price of only 3 - very shrewd.
 
George Spellwin said:
I just checked your account - it looks like you are good until 4/7 and when your membership renews, you get the free bonus month, plus two more bonus months because you took advantage of the special:

2 Extra Months Platinum + 10,000 Karma Hits Special

So on 4/7, you'll be renewed for 6 months at the price of only 3 - very shrewd.

Oh, I thought I transferred all of that to another member. I know I asked for all of it to be transferred. What was transferred to him?
 
khemix said:
Actually the 3 month is the only thing i can afford at this current moment. But I've got my debit card in hand, waiting for that poll! I have no doubt I'll go platinum either way though, so don't let that worry you. I was just trying to persuade you to agree to allow us an impeachment poll!

Should we make a poll on weather or not to make an impeachment poll??

That's a good deal too because it includes a free month!
 
George Spellwin said:
I just checked your account - it looks like you are good until 4/7 and when your membership renews, you get the free bonus month, plus two more bonus months because you took advantage of the special:

2 Extra Months Platinum + 10,000 Karma Hits Special

So on 4/7, you'll be renewed for 6 months at the price of only 3 - very shrewd.

George, since I've been fairly non verbal about something for a change...hows about hookin a brotha up with some K?

It took every ounce of my being to hold myself back the last couple of days. I think I deserve a reward or some kind of prize.

Yours in karmic panhandling

jack
 
jack_schitt said:
George, since I've been fairly non verbal about something for a change...hows about hookin a brotha up with some K?

It took every ounce of my being to hold myself back the last couple of days. I think I deserve a reward or some kind of prize.

Yours in karmic panhandling

jack

Sure broly,

Would you like:

2 Extra Months Platinum + 10,000 Karma Hits Special for only $14.97

or

Karma Hits Special Offer: 100,000 Karma Hits for only $49.48

Or would you like both special offers? See how I take care of my members!
 
George Spellwin said:
Now that I don't know. Is he Platinum know? In the future, it is easiest to just use a gift certificate:

https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/order.php?price_group=-9999

Are there any other concerns I can help with sexy?

*nycgirlblushing*

I became frustrated with things I heard and saw. So, I had it transferred. I didn't want to support the site anymore. Yes, he's plat. I transferred everything to TheOak01.

Some people (and I've heard rumors about this occurring) are concerned about sensitivity issues. Is it possible for you to address whether or not Admin, Elite Mods and/or Mods are allowed to read Private Messages or see who you are sending a Message to and reading Karma messages? If not, I completely understand.
 
George Spellwin said:
Sure broly,

Would you like:

2 Extra Months Platinum + 10,000 Karma Hits Special for only $14.97

or

Karma Hits Special Offer: 100,000 Karma Hits for only $49.48

Or would you like both special offers? See how I take care of my members!

I'm a lifetime plat maing...I would have to die and come back to life for 2 months in order to take you up on that.
 
nycgirl said:
*nycgirlblushing*

I became frustrated with things I heard and saw. So, I had it transferred. I didn't want to support the site anymore. Yes, he's plat. I transferred everything to TheOak01.

Some people (and I've heard rumors about this occurring) are concerned about sensitivity issues. Is it possible for you to address whether or not Admin, Elite Mods and/or Mods are allowed to read Private Messages or see who you are sending a Message to and reading Karma messages? If not, I completely understand.
good questions, i'd be curious to know as well.
 
nycgirl said:
*nycgirlblushing*

I became frustrated with things I heard and saw. So, I had it transferred. I didn't want to support the site anymore. Yes, he's plat. I transferred everything to TheOak01..

Yes, it looks like that happened - he's Platinum until May 23rd your Platinum Membership ends on 4/7 and you will not be rebilled at that time unless you want me to add another package on or you do so yourself.

nycgirl said:
Some people (and I've heard rumors about this occurring) are concerned about sensitivity issues. Is it possible for you to address whether or not Admin, Elite Mods and/or Mods are allowed to read Private Messages or see who you are sending a Message to and reading Karma messages? If not, I completely understand.

This is a good question:

Mods, Elite Mods, and Chairman Members: None of them can read your PMs or Karma messages. They cannot see who you sent PM's and Karma to.

Admins: Yes, we can read both if we wanted to. But, it is hard and would involve going into the database. I could not do it easily and would probably ask a system admin if I were going to.

EliteFitness.com Email: This is your best option for very private stuff. No one can read any of this because it is encrypted. Not me, not the Admins, not the folks at hush. We cannot even tell you your password if you forget it.
 
jack_schitt said:
I'm a lifetime plat maing...I would have to die and come back to life for 2 months in order to take you up on that.

So it sounds like you want the 100,000 karma then. Or you could give the 2 months away and keep the 10,000 Karma - just let me know. And thanks for supporting EF as a lifer!
 
George Spellwin said:
So it sounds like you want the 100,000 karma then. Or you could give the 2 months away and keep the 10,000 Karma - just let me know. And thanks for supporting EF as a lifer!

Let me think about it.
 
George Spellwin said:
Sure broly,

Would you like:

2 Extra Months Platinum + 10,000 Karma Hits Special for only $14.97

or

Karma Hits Special Offer: 100,000 Karma Hits for only $49.48

Or would you like both special offers? See how I take care of my members!
GEORGIE, needto and I both just got another month plat today...12$ membership month to month....I am interested in the 14.97 deal you offered....we paid 24$ in full on my CC to re up our plat...can you give both needto and me (angel) the deal of the 2 months and 10,000 k by taking 6 dollars more out of my CC????? Is this making any sense?????
 
Angel said:
GEORGIE, needto and I both just got another month plat today...12$ membership month to month....I am interested in the 14.97 deal you offered....we paid 24$ in full on my CC to re up our plat...can you give both needto and me (angel) the deal of the 2 months and 10,000 k by taking 6 dollars more out of my CC????? Is this making any sense?????
no
 
Angel said:
GEORGIE, needto and I both just got another month plat today...12$ membership month to month....I am interested in the 14.97 deal you offered....we paid 24$ in full on my CC to re up our plat...can you give both needto and me (angel) the deal of the 2 months and 10,000 k by taking 6 dollars more out of my CC????? Is this making any sense?????

Not a bit.
 
Angel said:
GEORGIE, needto and I both just got another month plat today...12$ membership month to month....I am interested in the 14.97 deal you offered....we paid 24$ in full on my CC to re up our plat...can you give both needto and me (angel) the deal of the 2 months and 10,000 k by taking 6 dollars more out of my CC????? Is this making any sense?????

A resounding NO.

He meant that deal for prestegious lifetime plat members only.
 
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