the first real cycle ....inputs required by veteran's

[Tuefelhunden]

Hey Bro, can I ask why the low test levels? Did you get your levels checked after coming off a cycle? The reason I'm asking there might be a problem there. I had low test levels and it took years to figure out I had a brain tumor in the pituitary stalk. It sounds like your going through the same problems wiyh muscle growth I encountered. No gyno for me though. Not trying to scare you, just something to think about. Tuefelhunden

 

[amandhody]

dont know bro,i have done all the tests available here in india and the doctors are a big a**.all they tell me is i should stay away from anabolics or i'll scew myself further.

My thyroid function was ok and he said the test level was in the normal range so no medication for me:-(......

I am sick and tired of spending hours in the gym ,eating clean diets and still just gain a kg or 2 with oodles of fat...Really need some big time help.Thanks a lot.tcare

 

[chazk]

dont know bro,i have done all the tests available here in india and the doctors are a big a**.all they tell me is i should stay away from anabolics or i'll scew myself further.

My thyroid function was ok and he said the test level was in the normal range so no medication for me:-(......

I am sick and tired of spending hours in the gym ,eating clean diets and still just gain a kg or 2 with oodles of fat...Really need some big time help.Thanks a lot.tcare

whoa whoa whoa i dont like that last part " oddles of fat"
how long have you been on that diet ?
and a gain of a kilo or two is 2 to 4 lbs thats actually pretty soild gains per year being off roids

also you mentioned why you cant follow the diet or work out you lose weight
thats common and expected you have to keep eating and training to keep muscle mass its not one of those things you build it then stop and it stays, no it will go away and pretty quick to...

so once you start that diet your gonna have to do it for years to see its effects and training for years to see traings effects.

and no roids wont make you bulk up and keep all the muscle if you do not eat and train when you come off your gonna lose the muscle.

its just does not work like that
bodybuilding is a life time commitment .
or as long as you want to keep the muscle you have to eat and train

 

[amandhody]

you are right chazk,but i have no trouble doing it for a lifetime but something just isnt right....i have little strenth.endurance is good but thats all.
all my friends think there is a problem because i train much harder than them and play a lot of sports.walk a lot.
still the little fat i put on is female like ien hips and thighs,shoulders arms and cheast remain skinny so i look dispropotioned.
this is the reason i am scared of bulking diet.

I appreciate the help.

 

[ViperHMS]

dont know bro,i have done all the tests available here in india and the doctors are a big a**.all they tell me is i should stay away from anabolics or i'll scew myself further.

My thyroid function was ok and he said the test level was in the normal range so no medication for me:-(......

I am sick and tired of spending hours in the gym ,eating clean diets and still just gain a kg or 2 with oodles of fat...Really need some big time help.Thanks a lot.tcare

Humm, have you ever thought maybe you are overtraining? You say you spend hours in the gym, you play a lot of sports,and you walk a lot. You could very possibly be using more calories that you are consuming on a daily basis.

I see you outlined what you eat on a regular basis, but what about hard numbers such as total calories, fat grams, carb grams, and protein grams. Are you consuming 1-2grams of protein per pound of body weight? Which for you would be around 300-330g of protein per day.

 

[amandhody]

not 330 grms but i am sure that i ingest around 200-215 for sure..and the total calorie range shud be around 3000+ a day cause i eat a lot of heavy stuff ie: butter,whole milk,almonds etc.

 

[ViperHMS]

not 330 grms but i am sure that i ingest around 200-215 for sure..and the total calorie range shud be around 3000+ a day cause i eat a lot of heavy stuff ie: butter,whole milk,almonds etc.

So you are not actually tracking what you are eating. You are guessing and assuming that you meet your needs by eating "heavy stuff." By the way what makes butter, whole milk, almonds...heavy stuff?

Here is something I you could use, its free and easy. Start tracking.

http:/www.fitday.com

 

[amandhody]

Yes you are right i did not do much of tracking and i see i was a dumb*** by not doing it but the constant muscle loss and lack of motivation and energy is driving me nuts...
imagine everyday your old friends come to you and say "what the f**k happened to u"
It is really difficult

 

[UFC22]

I didn't want to read the whole ordeal, it was all jumbled up.
If this is your first cycle stick with test only or test+dbol kickstart. No need for anything other than test and a kickstart for your first run.

1-4 - Dianabol 30mgs/EW
1-12 - Test 250-500mgs/EW

An AI throughout such as armidex,femera,aifm,or aromasin.

Proper PCT consisting of Clomid and HCG if needed.

Proper diet consisting of 6-8 meals per day. 1.5g's protein per lb of body weight. Adjust carbs and fats for the goal in mind (dieting,bulking). Adequate h20 consumption 1-2 gal a day.

later.

 

[chazk]

Yes you are right i did not do much of tracking and i see i was a dumb*** by not doing it but the constant muscle loss and lack of motivation and energy is driving me nuts...
imagine everyday your old friends come to you and say "what the f**k happened to u"
It is really difficult

come on lets be honest your not tracking what your eating and now its from 300+ grams of protien to " your sure its 200 " well thats 400 calories difference
I'm sure if you though the carbs were 400 then its prob much lower same with the fats ..

dude listen man track every thing you eat and get it up to 3500 calories a day in real numbers no guessing and giggling and your gonna gain muscle and burn fat...

track it for 1-2 months see if you can even handle eating 50 grams of protien 6 times a day long with the fat and carbs,,,youll prob relize your falling short of it and need to strive everyday to read those goals..

after not knowing your caloric intake and just guessing i know your def not ready for this cycle.. put the gear back in a draw and wait untill you get the diet down...

to behonest your thread looks like agiant commercial about what drugs you can buy and resell to us american bodybuilders no offense but i'm sure guys have already sent you private messages asking for drugs ...from india