Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

The FAT Chronicles

All I ever post in is "General Discussion."

There are other boards there, but I don't really fit in any of the special interest groups, so I don't go there.

I do not mean any offense, and I'm not pre-"diagnosing" anyone here, but in the case that you ARE only going to point, laugh, and make fun, do us all a favor and don't.

P0ink, your activity that started this all off was mean-spirited, and water tends to seek its own level. You diagnosed some of us as a couple of things, and lo and behold, the same occurred to you. I personally don't believe either side was really on the money ... but if you go over there with the sole intention of being ugly, and reposting stuff over here to make fun, other people will be just as outrageous to you as you are to them.

Aside from that, it's like speaking different languages from that board to this one. It is very easy to misunderstand what someone wrote and get into an argument, when what no one gets is that the fat people are writing about oranges, and the bodybuilding people are writing about apples. You're talking about this kind of diet and exercise, the other person thinks you meant that kind. It's no wonder people get frustrated.
 
I´m not going to post over there, my knowledge on nutrition is limited and there already more competent people than me posting there.
Besides i don´t have the time or the interest anyway.

I have found a few posts of pOink though and i personally didn´t consider anyone of them to be offensive. Including the locked one where he stated that everyone is responsible for what one eats and that neither media nor the fast food industry is to be blamed for obesity.
 
When a person puts up one ugly post, or comes over here and reposts things just to make fun, the things posted in a more respectful tone tend to be seen in a different light.

Also, the fact that anyone would come over to a board where the express desire of the members is: Please leave us alone with the weight loss shit already, we hear enough of it and we want one place where we *don't* have to hear it! and argue that topic is, well ...

is not doing it to be kind or helpful, let's put it that way. The whole thing sounded punitive to us, just one more person who in the physical sense at least was comparatively better off, coming in uninvited to deliver once again, the time-honored YFF.

At least, that was how we saw it.

The problem isn't as simple as some people make it. I don't think everyone who fails to see that they are being misinformed by the media should be judged as harshly as p0ink thinks is appropriate.

Having been there, I know how it felt and why I did as I did. There clearly didn't look to be a better way at the time, and for some people the better ways are not so obvious. Instead of berating people for being easily mislead, it would be more productive to work for change, so it is easy for people to get the information they need.
 
>Also, the fact that anyone would come over to a board where >the express desire of the members is: Please leave us alone >with the weight loss shit already, we hear enough of it and we >want one place where we *don't* have to hear it! and argue >that topic is, well ...

Same did some other people like knowsaboutnutrition. YOu even invited some people on the thread here to go over and tell about cutting.

>The problem isn't as simple as some people make it. I don't >think everyone who fails to see that they are being misinformed >by the media should be judged as harshly as p0ink thinks is >appropriate.

They shouldn´t whine about it either, like blaming it on bad faith, or sue the companies selling fast food.

>When a person puts up one ugly post, or comes over here and >reposts things just to make fun, the things posted in a more >respectful tone tend to be seen in a different light.

I can understand that.
 
I personally don't know what suing fast food companies accomplishes, myself.

Same did some other people like knowsaboutnutrition. YOu even invited some people on the thread here to go over and tell about cutting.
Click to expand...

I didn't *invite* anyone. Some of the folks already posting here said they might go over there and post, so I said (quoting someone else over there who posted about hearing they were coming), "If you're going to do that, here are a few things I would think about first."

Knowsnutrition and 2 Ton Hoss are accepted over there because they posted respectfully, without putting anyone down, shouting, "Lose weight! Lose weight!!" or saying YFF.

There is a difference in saying, we're weightlifters and this is the way we eat, and saying, "YFF, don't you know you're supposed to eat like this and look like this???" If all you are saying is, This is my exercise regimen and eating plan, then people can decide for themselves whether or not they want to know more, without being put down if they don't. There are people posting on that board who out and out say they want to lose weight. That's fine with us as long as they are not putting down other people.
 
"I'm sure if you have advice about healthier ways of eating we would all appreciate it over there. Just be respectful and don't cram "X percent body fat" down people's throats, and we're happy to have folks there. "

"I posted over there that y'all might be coming over"

"So, ladies and gentlemen come on over! "

So you never invited anyone?But i guess that´s picking at details.

In the BB-thread which i read and where pOink posted he said that BB spend a lot of time with nutrition and training and therefore one should expect limitations.
He never said anything like BB won´t take any1 that doesn´t invest at least X hours in fitness herself, yet he got a little flame for that statement.
That´s a contradiction to your last two paragraphs.
 
I dont understand crap about this board.

its supposed to be for dealing with being fat right?>

unless your already like really old and weigh over 600 lbs you dont need to.
 
troll,

am i mean spirited cause i dont think it's right that they should bitch and moan and get 2 airline seats for the price of one? should i be happy that when i see them eating out in a restaurant i lose my appetite? should i be ok with knowing that i pay taxes to pay for their healthcare? should i be fine with being cramped between the last seat on the bus and a person so fat that my pants get soaked through with sweat from sitting next to them for so long? should i be thrilled that legitimate companies may have to reward laziness with money? should i like the fact that they try to peition the FDA to regulate OTC diet aids? am i a mean person because i dont like hearing about fat people being the paradigm for fitness, when other people have worked much harder, look much better, and are overall more competent than them? how horrible of a person am i that i don't believe that extremely fat people should have children because it will only pass it on to them and in turn, continue the cycle of being fat and disgusting. should i be willing to take people seriously when they demand more fat models to sell clothes? am i a tasteless person because i dont like to hear people bitch and moan because their lives are shitty because they bring it upon themselves? because they are lazy and a diet doesnt 'work' for them, should that require government regulation? the fucking list goes on and on and on.
 
I hear ya poink. i just got banned and all my posts deleted for daring to suggest that its possible for anybody to lose weight without harmfull causes while this is a scientific fact.

we actually tried to help them, we offered them to take 2 chairs, come sit with us and learn how to get their ignorant toilet seat cracking, unwiped asses to slim down and they get pissed just from the idea.

I hope they all fall on their guts and cant get up again and get crushed under their own weight.
 
btw, are they even physically able to have sex?

only thing i can think of is oral and that would be hard as all the flab would suffocate the active party.

well its their own fault, they like to think that "Dieting can kill you! seriously" (actual quote fromt the board)
 
Cant believe in a world where children starve everyday those FAT fucking bastards can be tolerated by anyone. Those that are fat due to genetics shouldnt be allowed to reproduce, all their genes are doing is bringing down the human race.
 
i dont believe in people who are genetically fat.

you may have fucked up hormone levels and a low maintenance level but well your just gonna have to adapt your diet to it
 
Robert Jan said:
obesity is more a mental than a physical problem. the key is to learn not to associate food with any feelings. you eat cuz you gotta, for no other reason. I dont even want to eat anything now. hell, it just costs money and time. if i didn`t need to to stay alive or to reach my bb goals id eat nothing at all.
Click to expand...




Wow, I disagree big time on this. I love to eat!! I always take a free day each week, and I truly love it.

I agree that obesity is more a mental problem then a physical one though. You do need to learn self control, and not eat anything and everything you see. But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the food that you do eat.
 
lol i guess i should admit that i enjoy eating well spiced chicken....

but like in general i just eat my diet without thinking about it or enjoying it
 
I eat on a schedule, and I eat when I don't feel like eating, and I eat things I really don't like--cottage cheese and plain tuna for example......

But for most of my meals, I have learned how to make them taste great, because if I didn't enjoy my food, there's no way I would have changed my body so much.
 
i jus... dont really think its like that for me.

I dont really care what it tastes like and im not going to spend time trying to make it taste better...
 
i was fat once like you was, i used to eat for enjoyment and out of boredom, now i dont give 2 shits anymore about what it tasted like.

at least, unless it is just nasty and makes me actually want to vomit. i had a soy powder supplement one time and i threw it out after having like 2 servings... i had to dilute it like 5 times before i could manage taking that shit down.... then i read about its bad effects on male hormone balances and their incomplete protein and i was happy to it
 
Robert Jan said:
i jus... dont really think its like that for me.

I dont really care what it tastes like and im not going to spend time trying to make it taste better...
Click to expand...

You are not of the norm......

Thats great that you don't care. But for most people it makes a world of difference.

For example, I could eat a plain cold chicken breast (which I have done serveral times) or, I could eat a breast that is juicy, hot, and ad a little cajun spices or whatever, and its SOOOO much better.

My food is very simple. I love to cook with olive oil because it ads so much flavor and its great for you.......

But again, if you don't care, thats cool, nothing wrong with that, but I hate choking down food
 
Norman,

I'll have to go look at that again before I respond to what you wrote. It's been a while, I *think* some of p0ink's posts got deleted over there, and the whole thing upset me so I don't go back and peruse. I've forgotten exactly what was said.

As far as inviting people, I said that after hoss and jennifer said they might be coming over. I wanted these people to feel welcome. I also went over, as you may have noticed, and let people know they were coming and tried to help things go a little more smoothly.

It's a free country and if people want to go over there and post they can, unless they get themselves banned. I think overall we are open-minded over there and if not insulted or put down we listen to a lot of different viewpoints from a lot of different people.

Robert Jan, what was your screen name over there?

I see the name calling and put-downs are starting again. I'll just answer p0ink's, as he seems the most angry and the most ... eloquent, I guess, and the rest of you are saying the same thing anyway.

am i mean spirited cause i dont think it's right that they should bitch and moan and get 2 airline seats for the price of one?

they do? I'm not big enough to know, myself.


should i be happy that when i see them eating out in a restaurant i lose my appetite?

p0ink, this is a matter of personal choice. You are deciding to react that way, and you can change it if you want to. Saying that you are completely at the mercy of the mere sight of a fat person eating, and can do nothing to change your reaction to it, is the same as me saying that I woke up this morning definitely not feeling like going to the gym, and I am completely at the mercy of that feeling, so I won't go. In my case you'd tell me that I most certainly can change my mind if I want, and so can you.

Of course, one way to do that is to develop some sense of that person as a fellow human being, with a life and a soul and a mind and a heart, as well as a simple body.

should i be ok with knowing that i pay taxes to pay for their healthcare?

I thought this had more to do with one's income level than their size? Yeah, some of your taxes go to help with the health care of poor people. Some of those people are large. But you know, if I were ever low income and in a bad health situation, I'd be really grateful that it was there for me, and it is also there for you if you should ever need it. Are you saying that certain people should be denied health care just because they are low income and large? Yeah, it is unfortunate that some people are large and they have health problems, but until we are able to prevent the problems altogether, they are human beings and they deserve health care. It's too bad that they got that way however they got that way, but the system is there for all of us. And the best way to prevent the problems is to have a helpful attitude in solving them. I don't think, for my own self, that hate has ever helped me deal with my weight, so I refuse to indulge in it any more.

should i be fine with being cramped between the last seat on the bus and a person so fat that my pants get soaked through with sweat from sitting next to them for so long?

Again, this is a matter of your own personal attitude toward the situation. You don't have to be anything. But if you want to look at it in a way that makes that ride 10 times worse for you, it is, I suppose, your prerogative.

I am trying to change my attitude toward things in a way that helps me move through life. For instance, I could focus on how difficult weights can sometimes be. As long as I did that, it sucked to go to the gym, and I had a hard time making myself go. But when I noticed improvement, I focused on that, and I have a much easier time getting there these days. Similarly, if you are waiting in a coffee shop for a date that doesn't show, you could sit there and steam, or you could bring some work to do or a book to read, thus having a completely different attitude.

Your attitude seems to say that you find yourself and your state of mind to be completely dependent on the presence or absence of fat people!!! If they are there, you have absolutely no control over your feelings or state of mind after that. That's a bad place to be. You are always in control of how you think abut something and react to something.

should i be thrilled that legitimate companies may have to reward laziness with money?

Well, you don't have to of course. I'm sure there are lawyers who are, as they are making the fees! I'm not thrilled about it personally either. But you know, it isn't just fat people doing this. There are frivolous lawsuits every day from all kinds of folks. I'd be happy if it all stopped.

should i like the fact that they try to peition the FDA to regulate OTC diet aids?

I do. Some harmful stuff has been taken off the market that way, plus some companies don't practice good quality control and what they say is in the pill isn't what is actually in the pill. People are paying for stuff they are not getting.

am i a mean person because i dont like hearing about fat people being the paradigm for fitness

I don't think anyone over there will claim to be the fittest person on earth. But you know, if you hate fat people so much, why argue with someone taking the time to work up to a certain level of exercise, and encouraging other large people to do the same? It's only gonna help. I don't think the girl who is trying to get hired as a fitness instructor and banned because of her size, means to suggest to anyone that her shape and size should be the goal of everyone. I see it more as, If I am this big and I can do this workout, so can you! Come work out with me where there is no need to be ashamed. I don't think she is suggesting that everyone thin put on weight to look like her! It seems to me that you hate fat people and don't want people to be fat, but anything that might help, you are also against.

when other people have worked much harder, look much better,

This is a matter of personal opinion.

and are overall more competent than them?

More competent at what?

When I was thin, I was more competent at running 5 miles than I was at running my life. I was lower in self esteem than I was in body fat. I allowed myself to take jobs that I would never even consider today, put up with crap from other people that I would never take today, and had such a general level of low self-confidence that I had very few friends and was miserable much of the time. I may not LOOK like what you consider that a competent person LOOKS like, but I am so much happier now and more functional in my life. I gained some weight along the way. But if I were offered the choice, to go back to the way I was then, thin and a mental mess or larger and well-adjusted, I'd be larger. You couldn't pay me to go relive those years.

You can't judge competence by how a person looks. And do keep in mind that there are many different ways a person can be competent in their life.

how horrible of a person am i that i don't believe that extremely fat people should have children because it will only pass it on to them and in turn, continue the cycle of being fat and disgusting.

Now, this is interesting. If you feel this way, you must believe fat IS genetic, when you have started this whole hullaballoo by telling folks, in an extremely punitive and hateful manner, that it is the fat person's fault.

Also, no matter what people look like, they are still human beings with feelings. If I said that extremely narrow-minded people shoudn't have children because it will just get passed down to them and in turn, continue the cycle of mean and hateful people in the world, and then I included you in that group, how would you feel?

should i be willing to take people seriously when they demand more fat models to sell clothes?

Why is this such a problem for you? Obviously somebody does want to see these models ... the people who actually buy the clothes!! Since you are not a woman and will never be in the market for this type of wear in the first place, why do you care what other people's tastes may be? You keep going, "Other people don't want to see that," but you were hearing right there from a few folks who did. And if your real point is, "Other people SHOULDN'T want to see that," why is it so important to you that other people think the same way you do, like the same things you like? Why?

am i a tasteless person because i dont like to hear people bitch and moan because their lives are shitty because they bring it upon themselves?

Well, I don't like to hear that either. My mother is that way and I have endured many countless hours of, "If only this person would do things differently, then I could be happy. I'm unhappy because this person acted this way to me and I thought they should have acted that way. This person didn't hug me. That person didn't smile at me and they usually do. The other person over there wrote me such-and-such in her letter." I try increasingly not to live like this because I see where it has gotten her and that is nowhere. But I don't get all up in her face about it either, because having been there myself, I KNOW THAT IT WON'T HELP.

When people are in that frame of mind, getting all malignant and ugly doesn't get them out of it. Hatin' 'em just keeps it going. Perhaps there are a FEW exceptions, such as Sebass, who says he got in shape because he hated the way he looked, but by and large people in this frame of mind don't respond to hatred.

Also, you are assumming that just because a person is fat, their life must be shit. Just as with any other person, some fat people's lives are shit ... but there a good many who don't fall under that particular stereotype. You can't boil a life and all the issues in it down to only one thing: Percent Body Fat. My life is just fine, thank you, and many other fat people's are as well. We are just tired of the hazing that comes at us all the time and feel we deserve to be treated with as much respect as a black person, or a handicapped person.

because they are lazy

Lazy at what?? Some fat people have worked harder at losing weight than some rich people have ever worked a day in their life. They're still fat. It may mean that what they've tried didn't work out so well, but that doesn't mean a hell of a lot of effort didn't go into it.

Also, you are making a judgement that just because a person has X body fat they must be lazy at everything. Some of our bestselling authors are overweight. If they were lazy they wouldn't be bestselling authors. Some of my professors at vet school were overweight. If they were lazy they wouldn't be full professors at a major university. I could go on about this. Just because a person carries excess body fat doesn't mean they are lazy at everything in life.

and the fucking list goes on and on and on.

Yeah, it does, and I can go on as long as you do.

I wish the world were as simple as you want to think it is. Everything and everyone would actually be just what it looks like on the surface, and problems would be a lot easier to solve.

But the more you act as if this is actually the case, the harder you make the problems TO solve.
 
damn dude.. thats longest non cut and paste post I have ever seen...

you must really care..

I know you are really into making a point and all, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks but you.

Care less about what others think, and care more about yourself.
 
OK, I had to respond to this one ...

we actually tried to help them, we offered them to take 2 chairs, come sit with us and learn how to get their ignorant toilet seat cracking, unwiped asses to slim down and they get pissed just from the idea.
Click to expand...

The reason for that is:

(here we go again. I've said this so many times that I am beginning to feel like a broken record ... broken record ... broken record.)

If you go in with a YFF attitude and say, "you ugly fat lazy people you have to lose weight or you are failures as human beings and everyone hates you and should" you will not get anywhere. We're so sick of it that we made anyone coming in and saying "you have to lose weight" against the rules. If we want to hear that all we need to do is turn on the TV, or go out to get the paper.

Fat people hear that over ... and over ... and over. That is why you get banned if you come in there saying that ... especially if you have an ugly attitude. It doesn't matter WHAT you know or WHAT good advice you have, if you come in screaming, "lose weight! lose weight!" people don't take too kindly to that.

However, if you can share your experience without insisting that the rest of the world be just like you, that is accepted and does go over well.

There is a big difference between, "Here's what I do," and YFF.

We have folks over there who say they are trying to lose weight. We don't run them off. Hoss came over and posted, and to my knowledge that hasn't degenerated into anything ugly.

It's all in your attitude.
 
I know you are really into making a point and all, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks but you.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I'm aware of that.

But I also care, not what somebody else THINKS, but what somebody else EXPERIENCES.

If I can help one person's day go a little bit better, I've done my job. If one fat person is spared an ugly hurtful remark because I wrote that, then I've done my job. If two people understand each other better because I wrote that, I've done my job. If I've helped any people with different views about weight get along better, I'm glad I took the time.

If everyone were more concerned with what they cause the other person to experience, the world would be a much nicer place for us all. If you ask me, everyone is TOO concerned with their own self.
 
Last edited:
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:


Yeah, I'm aware of that.

But I also care, not what somebody else THINKS, but what somebody else EXPERIENCES.

If one fat person is spared an ugly hurtful remark because I wrote that, then I've done my job. If two people understand each other better because I wrote that, I've done my job. If I've helped any people with different views about weight get along better, I'm glad I took the time.

If everyone were more concerned with what they cause the other person to experience, the world would be a much nicer place for us all. If you ask me, everyone is TOO concerned with their own self.
Click to expand...

Dude... you are way to soft (no pun)... Peoples problem is not weight, its being senstive to it... If people would learn to stop being sensitive, instead of drumming up creative ways to make excuses, less feelings would be hurt...

I mean comon, the old you hurt my feelings shit should have died in jr high school...

Life is not fair, and you can't make people like you or be nice to you.. To me that sounds like more of a problem than not being to control what you eat... You have to control how other people make you feel... You can rise above others non acceptance to find your own. Who gives a shit if p0ink or anyone else thinks its gross your fat?? Fuck him... You cant please all the people all the time.

Look buddy, you are who you are, for whatever reason.. If you want to change bad enough you can, you're a smart guy. If you dont want to change, that means you have no problem being who you are.. and you shoudl be happy...

If you want to change other peoples attitudes.. funnel your enerrgy some where else, because even if you could do it, its not worth it.
 
it is not out of hate or out of prejudice that i tell fat people who believe otherwise that they can too lose weight. it is because i feel sorry for them when they feel really bad about their shape, or when they are handicapped by their size, or get health problems thru it.

It seems that your board has this attitude like ok were all fat we cant help it, and a lot of plain proven falsehoods are stated.

"Dieting can kill you, seriously" some guy actually posted that and meant it and nobody even argued with it.

if being overweight takes up a such great part of your persona and how you feel about yourself that your interested in being part of a "dealing with it" board you should at least take the time to find out just what it is your dealing with.

some guy on there thought Metabolism was some kind of big word smartass people use and it didn`t mean much to him.
to think that a person struggled for years with his weight and doesn`t know the standard term in his first language (english is my third) for the process it all revolves around, is simply mindboggling to me.

I do not understand how it can go this way.....

obesity is genetical- yeah right. sure there are whole families who are fat. their kids end up fat as well. but kids from a fat family that get adopted from birth to a fitness freak family will probably end up more like their host parents than their biological parents. its a habit a lifestyle that needs fixing. and it is doable, a main requirement is that your motivation is the will to reach your goals, and not the fear of failing at that or being fat.
 
Steroid_Virgin said:


Dude... you are way to soft (no pun)... Peoples problem is not weight, its being senstive to it... If people would learn to stop being sensitive, instead of drumming up creative ways to make excuses, less feelings would be hurt...

I mean comon, the old you hurt my feelings shit should have died in jr high school...

Life is not fair, and you can't make people like you or be nice to you.. To me that sounds like more of a problem than not being to control what you eat... You have to control how other people make you feel... You can rise above others non acceptance to find your own. Who gives a shit if p0ink or anyone else thinks its gross your fat?? Fuck him... You cant please all the people all the time.

Look buddy, you are who you are, for whatever reason.. If you want to change bad enough you can, you're a smart guy. If you dont want to change, that means you have no problem being who you are.. and you shoudl be happy...

If you want to change other peoples attitudes.. funnel your enerrgy some where else, because even if you could do it, its not worth it.
Click to expand...

awesome!!

and very true......

great post
 
once more..... it IS doable.

a female i know went from 420 lbs and not wanting to leave the house cuz of the looks to now showing her first muscle definition.

a guy i know is 400 down from 470 and still going strong.

I myself lost 5 inches off my waist in a few months

why am i even argueing this? its plain biology that you can.
 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:

p0ink, this is a matter of personal choice. You are deciding to react that way, and you can change it if you want to. Saying that you are completely at the mercy of the mere sight of a fat person eating, and can do nothing to change your reaction to it, is the same as me saying that I woke up this morning definitely not feeling like going to the gym, and I am completely at the mercy of that feeling, so I won't go. In my case you'd tell me that I most certainly can change my mind if I want, and so can you.
Click to expand...

do you think i make it a choice to be grossed out when i see these disgraceful people smacking their lips, slurping their sodas, and seeing only quick flashes cause their silverware is moving so fast? when you see people with necks that are so fat, that the rolls just blend in with their face, it is simply disgusting. it is disgusting that they can even let themselves get in such a state. don't they look in the mirror and get grossed out as much as everyone else does? when i see them in a fast food restaurant it is even worst. and no, i dont feel bad for them *AT ALL*. let me make that abundantly clear, because if they wanted to do something about it, they could, but eating fucking mcdonalds and BK isnt the way. do you think only americans are 'inflicted' with obesity? if so, go to some third world countries and let me know how many people there are fat slobs.
 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
I thought this had more to do with one's income level than their size? Yeah, some of your taxes go to help with the health care of poor people. Some of those people are large. But you know, if I were ever low income and in a bad health situation, I'd be really grateful that it was there for me, and it is also there for you if you should ever need it. Are you saying that certain people should be denied health care just because they are low income and large? Yeah, it is unfortunate that some people are large and they have health problems, but until we are able to prevent the problems altogether, they are human beings and they deserve health care. It's too bad that they got that way however they got that way, but the system is there for all of us. And the best way to prevent the problems is to have a helpful attitude in solving them. I don't think, for my own self, that hate has ever helped me deal with my weight, so I refuse to indulge in it any more.
Click to expand...

it is not my responsibility or anyone elses for that matter, to pay for another person's laziness and lack of responsibility. and yes, i am saying if they cant afford health care they should not be allowed to recieve if it, *IF* they brought it upon themselves. why should hard working people pay for another person's apathy and complete lack of responsibility? it sure is easy to be liberal with other people's money isnt it?
 
Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this...
Doctor: Ok, just dont do that anymore..
Patient: Gee.. Thanks Doc...

Moral.. if it makes you sick to look at fat people, dont look.


p0ink.. just as it is stupid for this Toll guy you change your mind, its stupid for you to try to change him.

Neither is going to happen.

Both of you need to get a hobby.
 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
Again, this is a matter of your own personal attitude toward the situation. You don't have to be anything. But if you want to look at it in a way that makes that ride 10 times worse for you, it is, I suppose, your prerogative.

I am trying to change my attitude toward things in a way that helps me move through life. For instance, I could focus on how difficult weights can sometimes be. As long as I did that, it sucked to go to the gym, and I had a hard time making myself go. But when I noticed improvement, I focused on that, and I have a much easier time getting there these days. Similarly, if you are waiting in a coffee shop for a date that doesn't show, you could sit there and steam, or you could bring some work to do or a book to read, thus having a completely different attitude.

Your attitude seems to say that you find yourself and your state of mind to be completely dependent on the presence or absence of fat people!!! If they are there, you have absolutely no control over your feelings or state of mind after that. That's a bad place to be. You are always in control of how you think abut something and react to something.
Click to expand...

excuse me, but how the fuck is it my choice that i get stuck next to the fat piece of shit that sweats like an animal? and how the fuck am i dependent on that shit? i was saying that it is not fair to the rest of society when they get stuck to a person like that. was it fair to me that i was drenched with another person's sweat since their ass and thighs cant fit on one oversized chair? does this mean im infatuated with fat people, cause i dont like having pig sweat on me? no. your arguments are simply ridiculous
 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
Well, you don't have to of course. I'm sure there are lawyers who are, as they are making the fees! I'm not thrilled about it personally either. But you know, it isn't just fat people doing this. There are frivolous lawsuits every day from all kinds of folks. I'd be happy if it all stopped.
Click to expand...

yes. there are retarded law suits, but these people are blaming legitimate companies for making them fat. i dont call the cashiers at mcdonalds car jacking people, driving them to the drive thru, and telling them, "order two fuckin big macs, a large fry, and a diet coke. or i will blow your motherfuckin head off!" they need to stop depending on people to solve their own laziness and to even pay them at the same time.
 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
I do. Some harmful stuff has been taken off the market that way, plus some companies don't practice good quality control and what they say is in the pill isn't what is actually in the pill. People are paying for stuff they are not getting.
Click to expand...

so we should ban otc diet drugs cause they dont work for people who eat shit and dont workout, and still expect to drop 30lbs? talk to anyone here that has used them, and you will get an overwhelming positive response on them. and no, they arent dangerous unless you are in shitty health or unless you abuse them. if people would talk to their doctors before using them, this wouldnt be a problem. and for the most part, people are getting what they pay for, if they buy from a legitimate business and follow a sound diet and training routine. so stop giving this bullshit about them not working. not too many people are going to believe that propaganda here.
 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:

I don't think anyone over there will claim to be the fittest person on earth. But you know, if you hate fat people so much, why argue with someone taking the time to work up to a certain level of exercise, and encouraging other large people to do the same? It's only gonna help. I don't think the girl who is trying to get hired as a fitness instructor and banned because of her size, means to suggest to anyone that her shape and size should be the goal of everyone. I see it more as, If I am this big and I can do this workout, so can you! Come work out with me where there is no need to be ashamed. I don't think she is suggesting that everyone thin put on weight to look like her! It seems to me that you hate fat people and don't want people to be fat, but anything that might help, you are also against.
Click to expand...

be real, no person in their right mind wants someone that looks like she eats bon bons while watching visions each and every day giving them fitness advice, let alone being the god damn instructor. fitness instructors are supposed to look 'fit' and be the ideal of what people are trying to accomplish. roseanne bar telling people to hop on a treadmill isnt going to be much of an incentive, especially with women. i would be surprised how many women would actually want a fat chick telling them how to get in shape.
 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
Now, this is interesting. If you feel this way, you must believe fat IS genetic, when you have started this whole hullaballoo by telling folks, in an extremely punitive and hateful manner, that it is the fat person's fault.

Also, no matter what people look like, they are still human beings with feelings. If I said that extremely narrow-minded people shoudn't have children because it will just get passed down to them and in turn, continue the cycle of mean and hateful people in the world, and then I included you in that group, how would you feel?
Click to expand...

no, im not saying obesity is completely genetic, i am saying that fat people will make shitty parents. since i doubt they stock healthy food in the house, guess what the kids will be eating as well? do you think the kids will eat vegetables and grilled chicken as their parents eat crisco topped with fritos and ranch dressing? plus even without food being an issue, do you think a fat, lazy, sedentary parent would present a good example for a kid when it comes to exercising and being healthy? no. not at all.
 
Oh, christ. We're back at DEFCON 4. Someone call the President. We may have to cancel the Summit.

ATFTFB: Ignore it all. You'll never change an inflexible mind.

p0ink: The more you open your mouth the less you disprove your ignorance.
 
rockafella, with all your infinite wisdom you think you possess, could you kindly tell little ol' me, where and how i am being ignorant?

this bullshit of not liking a person or group of people making a person 'ignorant' is a load of pc propaganda. like if a person doesnt approve of gay people, they are 'homophobic' right? since when does disapproving of something mean you are afraid of it/dont understand it/ignorant? give me a fucking break.

and no, i have nothing against gay people in the slightest bit, so dont try using that for more fucking ammo.
 
Last edited:
he's not being ignorant, everything poink said is true. Its mean stuff but its the truth ;(. People starve all over the world while they eat all day long.
 
hold up- most the shit he sayd is factually true but the poor people - fat people argument is off.

the dishonesty would lie more between the very rich and the starving than the fat and the starving.

also if your gonna pick on people for eating a lot i guess that puts off all advanced bodybuilders as well.
 
i have no problem with eating alot, cause lord knows i do. but there is such a big difference here between fat people and bodybuilders, and you know that.
 
IGNORANT may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing.

To be disgusted by something or someone is not the issue. What I find ignorant is one person's willingness to decry someone for a percieved lack of responsibility, yet accept no repsonsibility for his own reactions/responses/emotions. No one other than you can make you feel as you do.

What I find ignorant is considering a person's physical appearance to be the sole arbiter and regulator of said person's value and/or competence for anything. There are people on this board in amazing physical shape, yet their emotional shape is saddening. Very recent examples abound.

What I find ignorant is one's decision to discard tools of education for the benefit of making truly informed, positive choices. There are numerous and appalling examples on both boards.

What I find ignorant are the assumptions about others one makes based on so little factual information.

What I find ignorant is wasting such valuable energy on both disgust and persuasion. Ultimately, neither are done for the benefit of the other.

I have made no claims of infinite wisdom and I certainly hope that I never have it. I made no accusations of deeply seated resons for your anger, nor do I claim to hold expertise on such matters. I have made no claims to be perfect.

What I will claim is that nothing is ever black or white. That I am responsible for my choices, my actions and my emotions. That changing myself is difficult and frustrating and angering enough without the added bonus of changing countless others when they haven't asked for my "help" (and believe me ... my previous post wasn't intended to be particularly helpful to you or to ATFTFB).

Frankly, I don't care why you think the way you do. Nor do I care why ATFTFB feels compelled to be the champion of fat people here, or anywhere else for that matter. Both pursuits are a waste of time.
 
p0ink, I'm going to stop speaking with you.

It doesn't do any good at all.

Go on and hate people. You do anyway. If it weren't us, it would be someone else.

To the guy who posted about self acceptance, you are preaching to the choir. *I* feel better about myself these days, but it took me ten years to do that ... ten years I spent *listening to people put me down for this and that,* and getting fat on the side.

What I am trying to tell you is that not everybody is there yet in having a positive self image. People don't get where I am today by osmosis. It is pretty damn difficult to change your outlook on life when the entire world is as cruel as they can possibly be, your looks are all you are, and everyone thinks that is OK. Can't we please HELP people out with this, instead of blaming, shaming, and hurling more insults??? Is it THAT tough???

WHO CARES HOW THEY GOT THAT WAY! Is it so difficult to be kind to someone worse off than you? Must we go out of our way to make someone's life as miserable as it can possibly be? Must it be as hard as it can possibly be for people to find the right information to help themselves? And I can't believe, no, I just can't believe someone could come onto this board or anywhere else and say that someone suffering with a potentially fatal, miserable disease should be left to die just because "it's all their own damn fault, and they don't have any money." That is heartless. I work in veterinary medicine and we treat DOGS that way, not people. And from some of the posts here, some of you seem to have more empathy for the dogs. If it were you, say, with a drug problem or some such, would you want to be left for dead in a gutter somewhere, because "you did it to yourself??"

This sort of attitude reminds me of something that happened just last week where I live. A woman jumped off of a bridge at midday and killed herself. The policeman who spent over an hour with her out there on that bridge trying to talk her down reported that motorists, stopped on the bridge because of the incident, were yelling, "Jump, bitch!" and even worse things at this desperate, suffering person. Why? She was holding up traffic and they absolutely had to get somewhere!!!

I see echoes of that very attitude, man's inhumanity to man, right here.

It's all part of the same thing, folks. How are we ever going to get along and stop all the fighting in the world with attitudes like this?? For some people the hot button is religion, for some it's sexual orientation ... and for some it's plain old weight. Well, they're fat (they're Arabs, they're Muslims, they're Jews, they're gays), they don't deserve to live, let's just let them die. Who deserves to live??? ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST LIKE ME!!!!

p0ink, I hope that if you ever have some situation in your life where you are in some sort of mental or emotional trouble, you encounter more compassion from people than you've shown here. If everyone in the world acted like you we'd have blown ourselves into the nuclear winter back in the sixties.

In closing, may I please point out:

Maybe it is true that everyone can be thin. I don't know. But making it a pillar of my self esteem, such that I hated myself if I wasn't, has done nothing to help motivate me to eat right and exercise. I personally do much better with these things if I focus on the other benefits and don't have a goal for how I look. It makes sense that if we are trying to eat right and exercise and are having difficulty staying motivated, we do whatever works for us instead of what works against us.

Lastly, everyone is down on us for not actively pursuing The Holy Grail Of Weight Loss on that board. Why is it that, if we are fat, every place we gather has to be about weight loss?? Some of these people are involved in weight loss efforts elsewhere. We just don't bring it to THAT board. It isn't the place. That's all.
 
Last edited:
Ignore it all. You'll never change an inflexible mind.
Click to expand...

I'm not arguing with you there. I'm also not trying to change p0ink's mind. I know I can't do that.

What I am doing, I hope, is giving others who stop by here, whose minds are perhaps a little less inflexible, something to think about the next time they see a larger person on the street and are tempted to walk up and say something unkind. To me, as I have been the recipient of such remarks, this is far from pointless.

I am also practicing for the next time that happens to me. I'm pretty good in writing, but in person I still need a little help. Perhaps the more I write what I need to say the more likely it will be on the tip of my tongue, ready to be delivered with dignity the next time I need it.

Life is short. Will everybody be kind to one another please?

Blessed be.
 
Well, Troll means well, she doesn't get a damn thing p0ink's saying, but she means well. We're just talking about two different minds/schools of thought/whatever. But I'll be damned if I can let her have the last word in this thread, so let me just thrown in another "Amen p0ink."

And also I want to underscore that the VAST MAJORITY of fat people NEVER try (or try very half-ass for a very short time) to do anything about it. They are LAZY, they are IRRESPONSIBLE. These are the ones I have the problem with, these are the ones who should not be defended, so don't give me that shit.

And to the "live and let live" kinda spiel Troll posted above: I would LOVE if if the fat people never messed with me in any way. But like p0ink pointed out, we have to pay for them. We have to hear them bitch about accomodations. We have to see them eat. God forbid sometimes we have to try to cram in next to them. We have to hear them bitch about how it's so hard for them, blah blah wah wah -[rock voice] AW SHUT THE HELL UP! [/rock voice] We have to etc etc etc. It's kind of a double-edged sword. Fat people are ridiculed so much (which I find ironic as they're quickly becoming a huge majority), yet they get all kinds of allowances and special treatment. What other group is allowed such leniency and accomodations? The disabled. But the thing is, the disabled have no choice. YFF's do. Read that again. Nothing will change that in 99.9% of cases. That's the bottom line. It might be hard (aww, and being a body builder is so fucking cake), but it can be done.
 
Last edited:
I AGREE THERE IS TOO MUCH HATRED AND I GENERALLY LIVE AND LET LIVE. HOWEVER IT DOES FROST ME WHEN AN OVERWEIGHT PERSON "SITS" IN MY AIRPLANE SEAT. THIS HAS ONLY HAPPENED ONCE BUT IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ALL CONCERNED. I NEVER SAID A THING BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO EMBARRASS THE LADY (SHE WAS NICE, TOO). BUT DANG IT, WHY SHOULD I SUFFER BECAUSE SHE IS OBESE???
 
I get what p0ink is saying, all right.

I just find very little of it I agree with.

I also find that he misses the point of some of what I say.

I've addressed most of Mad Hatter's comments already, so I won't repeat myself.

But how many fat folk do you know? Yeah, I know a few who aren't doing anything. I also personally know many who are doing quite a bit, and being frustrated by lack of progress, or by weight regain even though they are still following their program and have lost many inches and pounds. (No, these people aren't doing weights to my knowledge.) To their credit, they haven't quit out of frustration yet. Many do.

I do not yell at my obese brother who doesn't eat right and work out, because I know the situation and know it won't help.

You folk keep saying: If your program isn't working for you, change it. Well, why don't you take your own advice? Yelling YFF at fat people isn't helping motivate most of them and just makes them hate themselves and you even more, and then they are even more immobilized. It also promotes the view that fat people are more like animals than people, and should be treated as such.

If it isn't working, how about changing it???

How does hating people for the way they look, and telling them in no uncertain terms, do any good???

One thing NAAFA works on is getting better seating made, so prices are fair and seating is comfortable for all. Until there are no fat people, it seems like a good idea to me.
 
BTW, Hoss, thank you for being a gentleman in that situation.

I'm quite sure that that lady was aware of the problem, and I'm betting she was already embarrassed, whether she showed it or not.

All fat people know they're fat, and they know when they have a problem fitting somewhere and cause someone else an inconvenience. It isn't news. The latest statistics on how many people are on diets in this country at any one time show that SOMEone is trying to do SOMEthing. Maybe it's the wrong thing, but people do care.
 
"something to think about the next time they see a larger person on the street and are tempted to walk up and say something unkind. "

what kind of asshole would do that anyway?
Ive never done that.
 
Actually I get people screaming abuse at me as I walk past all the time. Not for being fat, as I'm not, but because I like to dress up in gothic period costume when I go out. Now, I don't give a fuck what these ignorant bastards think, but when it happens the nth time in a month I get angry because the law forbids me from going on over and smashing their skulls off the pavement and teaching them some fucking manners. Do I stand around and yell "gap slave!" at them or critique their girfriend's taste in (usually trailer ho) clothing? Nope! But they feel the need to share their views with me.

For the record, I've been yelled at 4 times in the last 2 weeks, inclyuding a guy pushing me off the pavement because I was wearing black lipstick. I know that if I was black or asian I'd have to put up with crap like that EVERY day and not just when I was going clubbing, but it's still annoying.

So yes, a LOT of people are rude ignorant bastards who go round hassling people for no good reason.

circusgirl
 
Gothic...

circusgirl said:
Actually I get people screaming abuse at me as I walk past all the time. Not for being fat, as I'm not, but because I like to dress up in gothic period costume when I go out. Now, I don't give a fuck what these ignorant bastards think, but when it happens the nth time in a month I get angry because the law forbids me from going on over and smashing their skulls off the pavement and teaching them some fucking manners. Do I stand around and yell "gap slave!" at them or critique their girfriend's taste in (usually trailer ho) clothing? Nope! But they feel the need to share their views with me.

For the record, I've been yelled at 4 times in the last 2 weeks, inclyuding a guy pushing me off the pavement because I was wearing black lipstick. I know that if I was black or asian I'd have to put up with crap like that EVERY day and not just when I was going clubbing, but it's still annoying.

So yes, a LOT of people are rude ignorant bastards who go round hassling people for no good reason.

circusgirl
Click to expand...

You know, gothic chics have always turned me on... Always the most fun to date..:kiss:
 
There are a few Goths I see sometimes in the university.
But i didn´t have the impression as if they would like to mix up with normal guys.
In a Japanese lesson there was one, never sat next to a normal but always sat so that one empty seat was between her and the next guy/girl.
 
fat logic

here is one person's argument regarding the southwest airlines decision....

jamacphoto - actually you are quite not wrong. if It is typical of many airlines to charge on their most heavily used routes on the most heavily used flights to charge extra for a seeing eye dog if it will require a seat (and they typically do as they are usually larger breeds).
then i feel for you i have 5 business asscoiated that are member of a blind group with over 100 member in the seattle area and none have happened what you speak of

if, as you state, SW says that this policy will affect only 1% of the travelers, then it
seems that it is only good business sense to enact it.
Why do they need money that badly.
a loss of 1% which they have missed for the past 8 years
yes some people are fat by choice but what about the ones that are not
what is next chinees will have to pay for 3 seats
The argument that it is unfair for someone to pay for two seats if they occupy two seats is
a moot one.
maybe to you not to me. i have problems with kids that need car seats as well. they should get a free seat as well. the airlines loses more money on payment for kids injured from sitting on laps and would save money if they did that. but they are nto that smart


our argument that an airline should not practice overbooking is one that is also quite ridiculous from a business perspective.
maye to you not to me. the plane is full if all have paid for their seats. if they do ntoo show they do not get money back. i make a effort to get to the airport 3 hours early to make sure i make the flight

You want to fly on a plane? You want to get from one place to another quickly, right?
book early of take chances stand by i do

Well, airlines employ actuaries who determine that a certain percentage of specific flights encounter a certain number of "no shows". Thereby, it is astute business practice to "overbook" to allow for those no-shows. To expect an airline to do otherwise is ridiculous. You're asking them to become unprofitable.
are you listening to yourself

if they sell 100%of seats anfd there are 20 no shows and they still loose money something is wrong. charge more for all tickets then not just specfic ones

You don't care?
That's not your problem? Ah, but it is.....Jamacphoto, because if the airline becomes unprofitable it will close up and then you will not have an airline on which to fly. But there are other airlines..... you say. Not if you ask them all to act as you are stating.

again that is not true and if it is they should all close up if my business goes under
nobody will be there to bail me out


look, if 99% of your passengers can fit into a single seat (albeit uncomfortable for all but 10 year olds), then you must target your business to those in the majority, not the
minority.


so if only 99 percent are white tthen we can make racial slures to blacks on that airline
?
i do not think so
you are way off

Use logic and not emotion and you'll see the method in the madness.

you should try the same
your story does not add up
 
I don't know if anyone has addressed this yet (this thread has gotten to long to read every post), but the woman who sued Jazzercise won did NOT go to work for them. She is doing her own aerobics classes.

The problem I have with her, and other sue-happy people, is that she is forcing her opinion on the company. If the company felt that she was not the image they wished to portray, no matter how competent she was at Jazzercise, they should have the right to refuse her employment. She may have been an asset to the company, but that is not her decision to make, and it will only hurt the company in the long run, in terms of lost clients.

This type of litigation only further opens the flood gates for worthless lawsuits. What happens if a company interviews a person for a sales position, and he/she has a horrible personality, will this person be able to sue and win, if they can prove that they are qualified at all other aspects of sales?
 
but seriously, what women would want a personal trainer like that? shouldnt a personal trainer reflect the goals of being 'fit' and 'in shape' not some mcdonalds eating monkey ass looking fat slut?
 
I dont see any reason at all why fat people should get more than one seat.
im a ball player and none of my 7"+ friends get extra space and they dont fit well either, and they dont expect people to pay for their shit. AND THEY CANT EVEN HELP IT WHILE YOU CAN.
 
Jennifer Portnik is my hero!

I know this will make not the least impression on the person who posted it (nothing ever does), but for everyone else's edification:

but seriously, what women would want a personal trainer like that? shouldnt a personal trainer reflect the goals of being 'fit' and 'in shape' not some mcdonalds eating monkey ass looking fat slut?
Click to expand...

I finally saw Jennifer Portnik's picture in a recent issue of People magazine. And was unpleasantly surprised at the negative tone with which some of you describe someone who is not even all that fat.

To hear you people talk she is as big as a house. I have news for you, in the overall size range of fat people she is almost as small as you can get and still be called "plus-size." This is about the amount of body fat that most of us overweight Americans have. This means she looks like the average Joe (or Josephine). If she can look the way she does and still do the amount of work that she can do, that ought to send a wake up call to those sitting around the house who look just like her, thinking they can't do stuff because they look fat. Telling people that no matter what they can achieve in terms of lifting a weight into the air or running any distance or speed, it is all meaningless unless they also LOOK LIKE YOU not only demoralizes people into doing absolutely nothing, it's just plain incorrect.

We have gotten to a point where "normal" is defined as a size 2-6. Has anyone really LOOKED at any size 2-6 clothing lately?? It's TEENTSY!! When we start defining a *healthy,* normal size 10 as "too fat," there is a big problem in this country. And then, of course, someone who looks like Jennifer gets labeled as being much fatter than she really is. Stop listening to Hollywood and get real.

To me, inches are cosmetic. Circumference is cosmetic. This bump, that ridge, that ripple, is something someone else is looking at. I feel no benefit from what someone else is looking at, whether they approve or disapprove. (Physically speaking, that is. Emotionally, when dealing with certain butt-heads, that is another matter.)

However, when I have the stamina to go faster on the treadmill, that directly benefits me. When I can pick up and move things I never used to be able to, I can feel that difference, and it is useful to me, inside my body, in MY life.

I don't care nearly as much what is cosmetically appealing to you as I care about how my body feels and works for me. As long as it works the way I want it to, it can look any way it wants, thank you. I am just grateful that I DO have a body that works as well as it does. In my condition, I could well be in the hospital, or curled up in pain for days out of every month.

A person who can teach hours of aerobics every week is a person who can teach hours of aerobics every week. She has to be fit in *some* way to be capable of doing this. It is not something that most people who look like her can do for even ten minutes, let alone earn their living at. This is heartening, because if she can do it, I can do it, too. Even if I NEVER look like whatever you stipulate I should look like.

Those who stipulate that it doesn't matter what something/someone can DO if it doesn't look the way you think it should have their priorities in the wrong place.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Q: If the body works the way it is supposed to, who cares what it LOOKS like??

A: Somebody *shallow.*
 
Campos: Fat 'fact' takes on life of its own
June 18, 2002

An abiding weakness of the conventional wisdom is that, once a supposed fact has become part of that wisdom, it becomes almost impossible to dislodge it. Contemporary journalism contributes to this problem by relying on technologies that help ensure an assertion, once it is repeated enough times, will never be checked against the actual evidence. Consider for example the claim that fat kills 300,000 Americans per year, and is thus the nation's second-leading cause of premature death, trailing only cigarettes. A Lexis database search reveals that this "fact" has been repeated in more than 1,000 news stories over the past three years alone. Yet the evidence for this claim is so slim as to be practically nonexistent.

As University of Virginia professor Glen Gaesser points out in the forthcoming revised edition of his book Big Fat Lies, the supposed source for this claim was a 1993 medical study that made no such assertion. That study attributed around 300,000 extra deaths per year to sedentary lifestyle and poor dietary habits, not to weight, which was not even evaluated as a risk factor. Indeed the authors of the study, Michael McGinnis and William Foege, became so frustrated by the chronic miscitation of their data that in 1998 they published a letter in the New England Journal of Medicine, objecting to the misuse of their study.

A year later the journal published an article which actually did assert that obesity causes approximately 300,000 deaths annually. This article, "Annual Deaths Attributable to Obesity in the United States," is a classic example of junk science at its worst. After calculating the death risk associated with various weight levels derived from six epidemiological studies, the authors employed the following assumption: "Our calculations assume that all excess mortality in obese people is due to their obesity" (emphasis added). That was, to put it mildly, a remarkable assumption. As Gaesser points out, "the authors made no attempt to determine whether other factors -- such as physical inactivity, low fitness levels, poor diet, risky weight loss practices, and less-than-adequate access to health care, just to name a few -- could have explained some, or all, of the excess mortality in fat people."

In fact there is a great deal of evidence that such factors are far more relevant to mortality than weight. Indeed, long-term studies conducted at Dallas' Cooper Institute, involving tens of thousands of subjects tracked for a decade or more, have concluded that all of the excess mortality associated with increasing weight is accounted for by activity levels, not weight. These studies show moderately active fat people have far lower mortality rates than thin sedentary people, and essentially the same mortality rates as thin active people. In other words, adding just one variable to the mix -- activity levels -- eliminates fat as a risk factor (the activity levels associated with optimum mortality rates are quite modest -- a brisk daily half-hour walk will by itself put a person in these categories).

Furthermore the 300,000-deaths-per-year figure was derived without taking into account factors such as yo-yo dieting and diet drug use, both of which have been shown to have devastating effects on health. Nor were variables such as class -- poor people die sooner than the well-off -- and social discrimination, which has been shown to have a very negative impact on health, taken into account. In short, the claim that fat causes 300,000 deaths per year should be dismissed as an assertion for which there is essentially no evidence. Journalists in particular ought to start noticing that fact, rather than endlessly reprinting the same piece of junk science.




Paul Campos is a professor of law at the University of Colorado. He can be contacted at [email protected].
 
People in the fitness industry are selling the image of being slim.
If Jennifer Portnik isn´t slim and at the same times claim that her aerobics work to get slim people won´t believe her.
So an aerobic instructor that is not slim is bad for business.
The management believed that and wouldn´t want to hire her.
Than Ms. Portnik sued them and forced them to do a not favorable business decision.

It doesn´t matter if her looks actually are bad for the business, only if the management believed that it would.
It should be their right to decide if they wanted her in their company or not and since looks seems to be important in that industry it is a criterium for hiring people.

It´s the same as if i sued Karl Lagerfeld for not hiring me as model. I can walk up and down a catwalk ,too. But i´m not looking good enough for that job.

For some jobs looks are important and for some not.If she gets descriminated in a job where looks don´t matter i think she has the right to sue, but not in that case with a job where looks are very important.
 
That's interesting. I've read in a few places that it is now thought that it is not actually FAT that cuases the problems, it is INACTIVITY and POOR DIET. If you eat well, exercise and are still fat, that's not bad for you.

Eating nothing to stay skinny and not exercising, otoh, is a good way into an early grave.

BTW one of my ex-housemates was a big guy, he was also on the unversity soccer team. (Over ehre, soccer is most definitely a man's sport, unlike Canada, where it eems to be mainly women who play). OK, so he could have stood to lose at least 50 pounds, but he was active, exercised every day, jogged, ran, trained, and ate burritos a lot.... I wouldn't consider him unhealthy. His view was that he was a good enough player without going on a diet, and dieting hindered his performance on the field, as he had less energy...
 
"it is INACTIVITY and POOR DIET. If you eat well, exercise and are still fat, that's not bad for you.
"

this would only possibly apply to those who are not extremely heavy. most people on NAAFA seem to be 400+. you cant exercise and eat well and weigh 400+ unless you are a huyge, tall lifter or so. it just mutually rules each other out.

"As Gaesser points out, "the authors made no attempt to determine whether other factors -- such as physical inactivity, low fitness levels, poor diet, risky weight loss practices, and less-than-adequate access to health care"

you seem to be so sure that people can eat well, exercise a lot and still be really overweight. some people can live a healthy life at some higher bf% than a BB would like to have but not over 35 let alone over 50 or 60
 
Aggreed - my housemate was certainly not over 35%bf.

However, from a woman's point of view -

A LOT of people (including my mother) are very quick to comment on any woman who is over 130 pounds (c. 60kg). I KNOW a lot of folks consider me to be grossly fat, although I am within the medical norms for my height (5ft6, that's 1m66) at 148 pounds.

Although I do not suffer as much crap as, say, someone who is 200 pounds, I know snide comments are made about my stomach etc when I hit the cardio machines by the gym bunnies and that's irritating. I find the health benefits of lifting and martial arts etc to be far more useful than any weight loss, yet it seems as though, as a woman, I should be making weight loss my number one priority. In fact my priorities, are, in order, marriage, family, work, health and fitness, and looks are a bit further down that list.

I know that folks on this board are not like that, they are more interested in how my lifts are progressing etc, but the world in general sees me as somehow less of a person (well, the female world in general) because I am not SLIM. I am not FAT, but I am not SLIM.

It is possible for a fit and healthy woman to be a bit bulky, dammit, cf Russian shotputters and weightlifters at Olympic level...

There is INTENSE pressure on women in society in general to obsess over their looks and hate their bodies and I resent that pressure. I think a lot of the responses here from guys do not pick up on that pressure - Troll pointed out that 20 extra pounds can weigh on the mind as much as 150, and she's right. Even though most guys will not even NOTICE those extra 20 pounds on a woman unless they are your trainer or athletics coach.
 
In light of all of the above, I feel that concern about LOOKS should not be as important in the fitness industry as it is.

The person who pointed out that looks are very important and that is why the whole controversy is correct, but SHOULD it be that way??

I don't think so.

What's wrong with looking average? whether it be modeling, fitness, or what have you? Why must every human being's looks be in the top 95% or else? What exactly is so bad about NOT looking like a movie star or a fitness model?

The emphasis on looks has gotten to the point where it is counterproductive and HARMFUL to most people in this country. Some sanity would be appreciated by those of us who ARE about 200 lbs, ARE exercising and making an effort to eat better, but don't seem to be able to lose a whole lot of weight or be successful at keeping it off.

I have not really taken a survey of NAAFA folks to see what percentage are super-size. I know a lot are, but there are as many who are my size. We also, believe it or not, have a few skinny folks.

If we can get the 300 lb people down to a more healthy 200 or so, isn't that a worthwhile goal? But who will want to do it if they believe that all that work to lose 100 lbs doesn't matter if they do not/can not look like the more buff members here or reach a size 4???
 
  • Like
Reactions: Puc
The last post is something that I wish the denizens of this board would take to heart... they seek the extreme at the cost of hurting themselves (extreme dieting, drugs, antisocial lifestyle choices (absurd regiments, etc.))

kudos to the fat board troll for trying.
 
It's obvious to me that this guy is really attracted to fat chicks but knows that none of us would want him. Have you all ever heard of the term "projection"? Usually, the most vocal hate sayers against any particular group are ones that "fear" they have tendencies of the particular groups behavior. For example, there may be some people who think Homosexuality is wrong BUT they keep that opinion to themselves and can interact with homosexuals in a decent and respectful manner. However, the extremely LOUD and obnoxious hate groups against gays are probably sporting some closeted "feelings" of their own.
I think this very ugly person is sporting some type of "fat fear" and therefore must come against us by saying ugly things. He probably lays awake at night fighting inner conflicting feelings of both fearing he will one day become fat and both desperately wanting a fat woman; thus, producing feelings of guilt and shame that he must eraddicate by vehemently posting against Naafa and fat people in general on that site.

Dawn

You know poink, there is a lot of truth to what this person said there. But the're still fat :D
 
Who wouldn't be attracted to a 380lb 5'6 women?

I saw one post where they said you, p0ink, were a skinny kid who wanted to be fat.. 140lbs struggling to get to 220 (?)? lol.. putting on muscle isnt the same as fat..
 
Last edited:
Dude, I'd be fucking ecstatic if I had a thing for fat chicks. Just think of all the poonanny you'd get. You'd be the fat lady pimp.
 
It's February and .................................................

HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE FUCKING FAT PEOPLE IN THE GYM?!!!
:confused:

It's funny but in my gym I would estimate (and we all know how painful that can be) for every 10 newbies there is only 2 obese whales. The whales show up, blow their horn, look at me and other hardcore types angrily and never show up again.

Oh and another thing - For some reason my gym decided that hiring obese personal trainers was a good idea. For some reason they added two people (a fat chick and guy) that appeared to be more qualified at twinkie mashing to help the members. They run around and give advice - what are the members thinking when they give them tips? What fucking role models!

Let's keep this thread going - It's that time of the year afterall and this board is boring the shit out of me lately.
 
Why???

Are you people so mean??

The NAAFA boards are about ACCEPTANCE!

Everyone has the right to be accepted regardless of race, colour, size or religion or anything else that makes us all unique!

You ever heard the saying

I may be fat but I can diet, you on the other hand will always be ugly.

This applies here, you may be beautiful to look at but you will always be ugly where it counts ON THE INSIDE!

Good luck to you all may your muscles be a comfort to you in your old age when you have alienated everyone else around you!

A 400lb 5'4 fat chick who's darn proud of being beautiful INSIDE and OUT!
 
Re: Why???

Plumper said:
Are you people so mean??

The NAAFA boards are about ACCEPTANCE!

Everyone has the right to be accepted regardless of race, colour, size or religion or anything else that makes us all unique!

You ever heard the saying

I may be fat but I can diet, you on the other hand will always be ugly.

This applies here, you may be beautiful to look at but you will always be ugly where it counts ON THE INSIDE!

Good luck to you all may your muscles be a comfort to you in your old age when you have alienated everyone else around you!

A 400lb 5'4 fat chick who's darn proud of being beautiful INSIDE and OUT!
Click to expand...

We will live to an old age while you will have a heartattack in your late 20's or early 30's because of your lack of cardio conditioning. So looks like my ugly ass will be around longer than your beautiful one. Thanks for playing.
 
Re: Re: Why???

SupraHero said:


We will live to an old age while you will have a heartattack in your late 20's or early 30's because of your lack of cardio conditioning. So looks like my ugly ass will be around longer than your beautiful one. Thanks for playing.
Click to expand...

I am already in my early thirties with a normal heart rate and blood pressure.

I swim around 2 miles a session 5 days a week, I walk the mile and half each way to work each day and walk my dog on avarage 4 times a day a mile a time! I am (nor are many other fat people) lazy!

I also work as a care assistant with the elderly, our 2 oldest residents (94 and 89) both weigh in excess of 300lbs and have done most of their adult lives, so it dosen't always follow that fat means unhealthy! DOES IT!
 
i love when i hear people saying they are happy being fat, but yet they need to go to a fat support group to get other people to tell them their unhealthy lifestyle is ok.

they need constant reassurance from other lazy people that are in the same boat as they are, even though they are prefectly 'conten't and 'happy' with being fat.

imagine if drug addicts went to support groups to simply tell each other that there is nothing wrong with them, and it is society that needs to change.

you people are a joke.
 
Re: Re: Re: Why???

Plumper said:


I am already in my early thirties with a normal heart rate and blood pressure.

I swim around 2 miles a session 5 days a week, I walk the mile and half each way to work each day and walk my dog on avarage 4 times a day a mile a time! I am (nor are many other fat people) lazy!

I also work as a care assistant with the elderly, our 2 oldest residents (94 and 89) both weigh in excess of 300lbs and have done most of their adult lives, so it dosen't always follow that fat means unhealthy! DOES IT!
Click to expand...

i call bullshit to your '2 miles a session 5 days a week' thing. the fucking navy seals workout to prepare you for bud/s doesnt even have you swimming 10 miles a week.

you're full of shit.
 
I think the people from the fat board are mistaking the people on this board for anorexic waifs. They are mixing up people who want to be muscular and possibly lean, with people who just want to be skinny. I don't think anyone on here actually wants to be described as skinny and the fat board people fail to realize that for some muscular women, a size 12 is not uncommon.

here's one quote.
"We have gotten to a point where "normal" is defined as a size 2-6. Has anyone really LOOKED at any size 2-6 clothing lately?? It's TEENTSY!! When we start defining a *healthy,* normal size 10 as "too fat," there is a big problem in this country. And then, of course, someone who looks like Jennifer gets labeled as being much fatter than she really is. Stop listening to Hollywood and get real. "

What the hell are they talking about with their " size 2-6" crap. This is not Shape magazines website. As for this trainer, she isn't huge. It seems like she does way too much cardio. She just looks like one of those cardio addicts. I have no problem with a fitness person that is not ideal, but she is only an inspiration to people who are much bigger than she is. This is not a bad thing, it just sort of limits her audience.

here's a good quote
"It's just that I'd rather be fat like this, than go through the hell that it'd be for me to lose weight. I just was pointing out, everyone can lose weight, it's just a matter of how much pain you want to go through. Myself I'll keep my extra 240 lbs than starve myself and exercise like a hamster on a wheel.

Who the hell is starving themselves? No athlete or active person I know. I have to go train on my hamster wheel. I love that little wheel.

i sound kind of bitchy in this. sorry. not the intent. just frustrated.
 
It's not a case of going there for reassurance, there are other reasons as well, such as pratical advice. There are certain things that someone who is slim can't help with.

I just think it is a sad thing that the NAAFA is actually needed (not because people shouldn't be fat!! before your oh so predictable response says that!) but because people like you should be able to accept others whatever their lifestyle choice.
 
Plumper said:
It's not a case of going there for reassurance, there are other reasons as well, such as pratical advice. There are certain things that someone who is slim can't help with.

I just think it is a sad thing that the NAAFA is actually needed (not because people shouldn't be fat!! before your oh so predictable response says that!) but because people like you should be able to accept others whatever their lifestyle choice.
Click to expand...

i'll accept obesity when:

-you people stop costing billions in health care costs

-you people stop lobbying for special rights

-you people stop suing for jobs where you are obviously not wanted (see jennifer portnick)

-you people pay for 2 seats you take up on airline without bitching about it

-you people stop lobbying the FDA to regulate dietary supplements

-you people stop saying, 'diets dont work' and should be regulated

-you people stop harassing legitimate clothing businesses for not using fat models

-you people stop harrassing movie studios for putting out movies like 'shallow hal'

-you people stop trying to impose your idea of 'tolerance' to the rest of us
 
I think the people from the fat board are mistaking the people on this board for anorexic waifs. They are mixing up people who want to be muscular and possibly lean, with people who just want to be skinny. I don't think anyone on here actually wants to be described as skinny and the fat board people fail to realize that for some muscular women, a size 12 is not uncommon.

here's one quote.
"We have gotten to a point where "normal" is defined as a size 2-6. Has anyone really LOOKED at any size 2-6 clothing lately?? It's TEENTSY!! When we start defining a *healthy,* normal size 10 as "too fat," there is a big problem in this country. And then, of course, someone who looks like Jennifer gets labeled as being much fatter than she really is. Stop listening to Hollywood and get real. "

What the hell are they talking about with their " size 2-6" crap. This is not Shape magazines website. As for this trainer, she isn't huge. It seems like she does way too much cardio. She just looks like one of those cardio addicts. I have no problem with a fitness person that is not ideal, but she is only an inspiration to people who are much bigger than she is. This is not a bad thing, it just sort of limits her audience.

here's a good quote
"It's just that I'd rather be fat like this, than go through the hell that it'd be for me to lose weight. I just was pointing out, everyone can lose weight, it's just a matter of how much pain you want to go through. Myself I'll keep my extra 240 lbs than starve myself and exercise like a hamster on a wheel.

Who the hell is starving themselves? No athlete or active person I know. I have to go train on my hamster wheel. I love that little wheel.

i sound kind of bitchy in this. sorry. not the intent. just frustrated.
 
p0ink said:


i'll accept obesity when:

-you people stop costing billions in health care costs

-you people stop lobbying for special rights

-you people stop suing for jobs where you are obviously not wanted (see jennifer portnick)

-you people pay for 2 seats you take up on airline without bitching about it

-you people stop lobbying the FDA to regulate dietary supplements

-you people stop saying, 'diets dont work' and should be regulated

-you people stop harassing legitimate clothing businesses for not using fat models

-you people stop harrassing movie studios for putting out movies like 'shallow hal'

-you people stop trying to impose your idea of 'tolerance' to the rest of us
Click to expand...

The last time I saw the doctor was for my tonsils removing (not weight related) In fact I have never had to consult my doctor about anything regarding my weight! I am surely not alone so therefore many other fat people don't cost anything either! In fact the last time i visited the doctors was with my young neice and 4 people in the waiting room were there due to problems they had caused themselves through over exercising.

I don't want special rights, but I want the right to be able to do things that anyone else can do and if that means being able to sue for discrimination on my size then why not, you can sue for any other discrimination!

Airlines should see that people are getting bigger and accomodate this, the same goes for allowing extra legroom for taller passengers. I don't want 2 seats, I just want a bigger seat!

I know nothing about lobbying the FDA so I won't comment on that!

Diets don't work as such. You could try a hundred (or more) til you find the one that's going to work for you if there is one! Yo-yo dieting is more harmful that staying fat.

I am fat I buy big clothes! I want to see what they look like on a fat person before I go try them on! What is wrong with that? I am not asking that shops that sell small size clothing use fat models, that would be stupid a small person wouldn't need to see what an item of clothing looks like on someone who dosen't represent them, why should fat people be any different??

I actually thought "Shallow Hal" was a good movie. Obviously they couldn't use a fat actress and slim her down for parts of the movie so what they did was the only way to go! What Hal saw was the person inside, beautiful to him as a thin girl, because that is his perception of beautiful, that dosen't mean his perception is right (or wrong) what the movie did show is that outward appearances shouldn't be the be all and end all!

I have a right to live my life as I want, and if you don't like that that is everyones problem, because we ALL should have the right to be accepted REGARDLESS of whatever makes us different.
 
I was banned from the NAAFA boards and I don't know why.

First let me give you all a little background. I'm a 17 yr old highschool senior. My current weight is 300lbs. I am down from 362 and I am interrsted in fitness. I know, thanks to a book by Bill Phillips I will achive an ideal body weight and eventually a high level of fitness.

I get teased and tortured at my school because I am fat and I have male breasts. I was onthe net trying to find a diet when I stumbled onto the NAAFA website. I was greeted with open arms and told to love my body and that being fat was genetic. At first it made sense to me or at least I wanted it too. Then a "troll" came to the boards called Wazoo who claimed to be a high school health who also use to have male breasts. I was a little rude to this guy but I could not overcome his logic.

Soon it became clear to me that the real reason I am/was fat is because I eat too much and sit on my butt all day. Soon Wazzo stopped posting. I think he was banned but he put me on the right track. I realized that FAT BY NATURE PROUD BY CHOICE (the naafa motto) was a bunch of crap but I didn't express that because there were a few people at NAAFA that I became somewhat fond of. They know who they are.

When I began to think about my eating habits I soon began to realize that for the most part my obesity was caused by my mother. She is close to 500lbs and is pretty much a mental case. When I revealed that to the board and the fact that I was losing weight suddenly I became a "troll"

I now understand where pOink is coming from. Even if he is a fat basher he is still right about fat people taking responsibility. Unlike pOink I will not judge fat people but I do know why they are fat. They are fat because the eat too much, end of story.

It seems when I decided to be responsible and stop being a victim in denial like they are and acting like a man they attacked me like a plate full of Twinkies.

Whether fat accptance is a good thing or not I really can't say and I can't proclaim to know but NAAFA is certianly hurting the cause of fat acceptance and spreading misinformation about health. Further for a supposed civil right organization they are extremely bigotted. I have found that NAAFA has never had a minority on their board of directors. Racial slurs are allowed and encouraged on their disscussion boards.

NAAFA is a very twisted organization that ecourages bad health pratices and a perverted sexual practice called feederism.

Maybe you don't like how he says it but pOink is 100% correct.
 
p0ink said:


i'll accept obesity when:

-you people stop costing billions in health care costs

-you people stop lobbying for special rights

-you people stop suing for jobs where you are obviously not wanted (see jennifer portnick)

-you people pay for 2 seats you take up on airline without bitching about it

-you people stop lobbying the FDA to regulate dietary supplements

-you people stop saying, 'diets dont work' and should be regulated

-you people stop harassing legitimate clothing businesses for not using fat models

-you people stop harrassing movie studios for putting out movies like 'shallow hal'

-you people stop trying to impose your idea of 'tolerance' to the rest of us
Click to expand...

DAMN RIGHT BROTHER!!!! I am sick of this bullshit that is going on with everyone wanting to sue because they are a lazy fat piece of shit that thinks everyone should accept them for who they are and love them because they are fat. To the guy that posted at the bottom I have nothing but respect for you buddy, you were fat but you realized why you were fat and you are CHANGING IT!!! You realized you were being lazy and eating to much and you are changing that I have nothing but respect for that once again. Back to my bitching. Being fat may be genetic but so is being skinny. ALot of guys on this board started out as skinny guys and CHANGED THEIR BODIES into muscular machines through hard work and diet. Fat people on the other hand sit around and bitch about being fat and want other fat people to agree and society to accept them. However I don't see any skinny bodybuilder boards around where hardgainers bitch to eachother on how unfairly they are treated by the big bro's because they are not big yet. My basic fact is stop your bitching if you don't like being fat then change it if you do like being fat don't expect people to accept it.
 
My thoughts on NAAFA and fat people:

NAAFA

- A sorry ass political group that focuses on avoiding them problem of obesity by encouraging other obese members to take a "I'm normal and thin people are not" mentality.

- Full of a great deal of racism/hate/etc! I'm astonished at all the angry defensive fat members like Jenni or whoever the fuck that seem to be fixated on roid use.

- In general NAAFA members somehow feel that since their fat and don't waste their time on needless activities such as weight lifting and eating right their IQ must be superior to that of a body builder? Astonishing... FAT=SMART? :confused: I don't think so.

FAT PEOPLE

- 90% have emotional eating disorders and weak will. Most people (including and especially body builders) have eating disorders but the healthy ones deal with it instead of giving the victim speech.

- Have very very low self-esteem and live in a fantasy world where they can't handle society and the truth.

- Spend too much time shopping/eating and watching TV.

- Spend too much time working - Hell, I'm a manager and make a good deal - guess what? I work 40-45hrs normally and if my corporation doesn't like that - fuck them! Health is the last priority in some peoples agenda.

Just some thoughts. Obvious I know. :rolleyes:
 
p0ink said:


-you people stop saying, 'diets dont work' and should be regulated
Click to expand...

This reminds me of some old posts on alt.support.diet where people would say that the Atkins diet should be banned.

Just exactly how do you "regulate" or "ban" a diet, require people to get a doctor's prescription to eat less?
 
hard ruler said:


NAAFA is a very twisted organization that ecourages bad health pratices and a perverted sexual practice called feederism.
Click to expand...

I have to disagree with you on this one. There are some positions that NAAFA takes that I disagree with but they don't take a position on "feederism". There was some threads on the "fat board" that covered it with mixed opinions from the participants. Yes Dimensions Magazine links to NAAFA's website but NAAFA has no control over that.

My problem with the concept of "feederism" is that it's no different from one trying crash diet because their mate wants to see them ultra skinny and I pointed that out there.
 
It has taken me 2hrs to read the whole thread.....and I have to admit it was pretty funny.

Both groups will go along set in their own existentialist ways, oblivious to the fact that us "athletes" will double the life span
of the "NAAFA" people.

As sad as that fact is, it will ultimately become a reality.

Fonz
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Z
boosting fertility with supplements?
Replies
6
Views
557
Arabian
Arabian
R
how do women bulk on steroids?
Replies
12
Views
1K
ceo
ceo
Titties
Approved Log Testosterone Sustanon Trenbolone hgh bpc tb injury repair LOG
2 3
Replies
220
Views
17K
Ulter
Ulter
Noah Wixx
Approved N2BM N2Guard TD Bottle
Replies
20
Views
2K
25homes
25homes
Wookie1
Approved Log Fat Loss and Recovery Journey
2 3 4 5
Replies
410
Views
30K
Tiger Salman Khan
Tiger Salman Khan
Top Bottom