Wow!
Can it really be that a *whole year* has passed, and some of you are STILL over there, copying posts and trollin'?
I have to say that I admire the dedication here. Requiem, for you to be over there for *four months,* posing as different people in order to plague the hated fat ones and then come over here ... I gotta say ... there must be some deep, deep hate going on. Hats off to you ... I guess.
Hard Ruler ... I'm sorry you got banned over there, and I don't really know why that happened.
I *do* know that there were some attitudes toward you when you posted about your mom that were inappropriate. I don't really know where those people were coming from.
HOWEVER: 1.) Not ALL people over there were like that, only a vocal few, and 2.) The same sort of intolerant attitude is also here, only the people differ in physical appearance and the ideals they are pushing.
Good luck in your weight loss efforts. I hope you succeed the *first* time and are able to keep the weight off, because take it from someone who knows, if you don't succeed the first time -- or you do and you can't keep it off -- things can get very interesting. You could find yourself the scapegoat for your new best buds here before you know it. Many of us over at NAAFA are people who have had major trouble losing or couldn't keep it off, and that's why we're soured on those with the attitudes here. I wish you the best and I hope your life is going better for you these days. I for one miss you over there. How are you doing?
Platehead Jim: emotional eating disorders and weak will are not the same thing.
To scrummy, who wrote:
here's one quote.
"We have gotten to a point where "normal" is defined as a size 2-6. Has anyone really LOOKED at any size 2-6 clothing lately?? It's TEENTSY!! When we start defining a *healthy,* normal size 10 as "too fat," there is a big problem in this country. And then, of course, someone who looks like Jennifer gets labeled as being much fatter than she really is. Stop listening to Hollywood and get real.
I think the people from the fat board are mistaking the people on this board for anorexic waifs. They are mixing up people who want to be muscular and possibly lean, with people who just want to be skinny. I don't think anyone on here actually wants to be described as skinny and the fat board people fail to realize that for some muscular women, a size 12 is not uncommon."
You *don't* get picked on for being a size 12???? Let me tell you, the vast majority of size 12 women in this country do. I know because I was when I was that size. I got picked on about my weight when I was a size 10, and even when I was a size 8!!! I was literally working my ass off, but it just wasn't enough for some people. If you are accepted at the size you are and people in your family, circle of friends, etc, are not telling you you are too big and need to lose weight, consider yourself very, very lucky. And very, very *atypical.* The WHOLE POINT of me posting that is that people like you, WHO ARE HEALTHY AT THE SIZE THEY ARE AT, SHOULD NOT GET PICKED ON for being healthy at a size 12!!!!
I find it encouraging to hear that somewhere in this Godforsaken country that actually is the case!
On the other hand, if you ever do get some flak for being the size you are at the fitness level you are, then NAAFA is there for you, too. You're one of the "large and fit" (according to the fashion industry you are "plus size" or almost there). If you have trouble finding the clothes you want in your size, if you get nasty remarks from people who really do think you would look better six sizes smaller, if you are sick and tired of never seeing your body type in the movies or on TV, *you're one of the people we're ostensibly there to help!* I say, ostensibly, because it seems to me there is some division in the ranks about what NAAFA's goals should really be, and I see some stated goals I don't support and wish I could help rein some of the extremists in a bit.
We're not all 400 lbs. Some of us are quite a bit smaller, and wish society would wise up *finally* about what HEALTHY women really look like.
Hulkster: Do please show me where on the NAAFA board J Portnik says she is 350 lbs. I want to see the link.
I want to see it because I have her picture on my refrigerator, and she is about my size, and I weigh NOWHERE NEAR 350 lbs!! Anyone her size has *at least* 100 lbs to go. And I find it highly unlikely that anyone 350 lbs could lead even one aerobics class even half the way through, let alone lead 6 or 7 a week.
And, finally, back to Platehead Jim:
"It's February and .................................................
HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE FUCKING FAT PEOPLE IN THE GYM?!!!
It's funny but in my gym I would estimate (and we all know how painful that can be) for every 10 newbies there is only 2 obese whales. The whales show up, blow their horn, look at me and other hardcore types angrily and never show up again."
It depends on what gym you go to. I have been at my gym nearly every day for the past 6 weeks, and we have all shapes and sizes there. I really have to admire some of the older women who come to work out. Some of them obviously have stiff knees and hips and can't get around as well as they used to, but they are trying to do something for their health, and they are in there doing what they can. Whether I lose weight or not, whether any of you people would approve (ever!) of how I look or not, that is how I want to be when I am 60 or 70, willing and able to come do whatever I can do to stay healthy.
What kind of gym *do* you go to? Mine is a women's gym where no person is judged for their body shape, what they look like, or what anyone surmises their previous habits might have been. We have two plus size instructors, several smaller aerobics instructors, and a yoga teacher. People feel comfortable and accepted there, not looked down upon and sneered at. That is the sort of environment plus size people want to stay at. Not to say that everyone in there is fat. There are several beautiful figures I see there on a regular basis as well, one lady who has to be at least 55 and I'd love to be in half her shape at that age!
My point is, perhaps attitudes like yours are part of the reason the plus size people don't come back. We know when we're being stared at, we know when we're not welcome, and we know when we're not wanted. I'm glad I've found a gym that isn't like that. I know how it feels to be completely new at free weights, be struggling to lift and lower some tiny thing, and feel really embarrassed watching the muscular jock next to me lift barbells the size of a freight train.
I think I'm done, except for issuing the standard plea: Why don't you people just go away and let other people alone? You're not going to change anyone else's mind. I've already given up on changing yours. Basically you're just hanging around over there to hate, hate, hate. Is it making you feel better in some way?
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