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ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Awwww, Sebass ... be an optimist!
After all, if people aren't capable of change, we'll have incidents like 9/11 forever ...
After all, if people aren't capable of change, we'll have incidents like 9/11 forever ...
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Oh, get over it.
We're tryin' to be productive here.
We're tryin' to be productive here.
the nature boy
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wow this thread has became somewhat positive. lets lock it while it's going good.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
Well, in a perfect world...it could happen but not here. There is a vicious cycle going on and regardless of what you say there is one thing that will always hold true.
A fat person with the same qualifications can't compete with a good looking person with the same qualifications.
When you line up a overweight person against a leaner counterpart the lean person almost always wins. It is a fact. If you want the sources from where i know this i can give them to you.
Overweight people have too little confidence to speak up because society has made them ashamed of themselves, sorry, but it is just the way it is.
I know one thing for sure and that is that i would prefer a girl who has put the same amount of time into their body as i have.
The body is a gift and intend to make it the best that it can be under the circumstances i am in.
Yep, it's true alright.
Sebastian,
What you say is, unfortunately, true. And regarding a choice of mate, I have to say I agree with you there, too. I like being married to someone who has the same interests and beliefs, including eating and fitness.
My only purpose in being obnoxious was just to try to promote some decency in every day life.
I know I came on strong, but I wanted people to stop and think. I mean, everyone got so irritated when I went on and on about my level of education and such, and when I put them down about theirs. What if one was to take out all my references to lack of education and intellect and replace them with insults about fitness and weight? That's just how irritated overweight people get.
I *was* overweight, once. I'm 5'6" and in my 20's was up to a size 16, women's. That's not obese, but it's pretty heavy. With a lot of hard work and watching what I ate, I got down to a 10. I remember what it was like before: I was ignored by salesclerks, mechanics, etc. The difference after my weight loss was stunning. Suddenly, I was treated like a real person. I should have been happy about that, but I was a little sickened. After all, I was the same person before and after, but because I was heavy, I was treated like a non-person.
Sebastian,
What you say is, unfortunately, true. And regarding a choice of mate, I have to say I agree with you there, too. I like being married to someone who has the same interests and beliefs, including eating and fitness.
My only purpose in being obnoxious was just to try to promote some decency in every day life.
I know I came on strong, but I wanted people to stop and think. I mean, everyone got so irritated when I went on and on about my level of education and such, and when I put them down about theirs. What if one was to take out all my references to lack of education and intellect and replace them with insults about fitness and weight? That's just how irritated overweight people get.
I *was* overweight, once. I'm 5'6" and in my 20's was up to a size 16, women's. That's not obese, but it's pretty heavy. With a lot of hard work and watching what I ate, I got down to a 10. I remember what it was like before: I was ignored by salesclerks, mechanics, etc. The difference after my weight loss was stunning. Suddenly, I was treated like a real person. I should have been happy about that, but I was a little sickened. After all, I was the same person before and after, but because I was heavy, I was treated like a non-person.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I AM an overweight person. I don't need any sources quoted to me, because I see this phenomenon up close and personal all the time. Including on this board!
Uh, yeah, I can relate to this one as well.
But I have to say that perhaps all this "lookism" is a little misguided, because
I hate to bring up the obvious, but what about the personality??? I actually read that a survey done among young men revealed that the majority would rather date a drug addict than someone who is overweight.
So what if a person comes wrapped up in a pretty little package? I would personally prefer someone who has put time into their personality over someone who has slaved over their body. Loyalty, fairness, kindness, humor, and the ability to truly care for another person are qualities you can't put a price on. There are an awful lot of jerky men out there who think they are wonderful because they LOOK a certain way. But when you are down with somebody, in a marriage, raising kids, and the stresses of life hit, it's what the heart is made of, not what the body is made of, that is going to get you through.
This is not to say that people who are physically fit can't/don't have some of these qualities. But, from some of the posts on this thread, I have to wonder if the quality of human compassion is lacking in more than a few. And I think looks receive much, much too much importance in our society. Pretty doesn't mean that goodness or mental health necessarily lie underneath.
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Just today I received a fax from a man, married thrity-nine years, who describes his wife as, "not just my friend, but my best friend and lover. I have a love for her that is more to me than life -- to me she grows more beautiful each year." I doubt he said that because after thirty-nine years she looks more and more like Playboy bunny.
-- Dr. Laura Schlessinger
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Gorlim said:
hahhahahhaa
I am tired of reading this entire thread so I shall just post my neanderthal views. Fat people are lazy and before you critize me shut the fuck up fattie and listen. I have seen NUMEROUS times in all these fat fucks posts about them "not wanting" to work out hard enough to lose weight so they are happy with "learning to love themselves" well excuse me while *yawn*. I don't give a damn if you have "learned to love yourself" it doesn't mean I will learn to love you also. I look at fat people as lazy people simply because they have no determination to make themselves better they instead look for fat asses of fellow mindset to blow wind up their skirts and make them feel all "warm and fuzzy" inside. Working out isn't easy its not supposed to be complaining because you have ran a couple miles and didn't see any improvements makes me more pissed than it does sympathetic. If anyone wants something bad enough they will change no matter what it takes. If fat asses want to be thin bad enough they will do whatever it takes for how long it takes to acheive their goals, same thing with bodybuilders. Do you think we woke up one day with muscles???.......NO most of us "sans genetic freaks" have worked our asses off day in and day out eating like tanks in the winter and dieting like hell in the summer, is it fun?? To me it is to most its not but I WANT IT BAD ENOUGH so I will go through whatever I have to to reach my goal. My basic analogy in this entire post isn't fat asses don't want it bad enough they are just to fucking lazy to do it. Thats all it boils down to fat= lazy and I don't care how many fat fucks post here telling me their sob story if you wanted to get in shape and made a concious effort to remove the cheeto bag from your hand you could succeed. Until then shut the fuck up and move your fat ass outta my way.
Drizz
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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*sighs*
Drizz, I just don't think you're getting it, dear.
I wasn't "running a couple of miles." With the amount of work I did I could almost have run a marathon. I didn't choose to, but that's beside the point.
I did enough work to get thin, so don't tell me I am too lazy to do the work. I weighed 135 lbs and wore a size 8, and I guess I was about a size 14 when I started, so don't tell me I "didn't see any improvements." You just aren't reading carefully. What happened to me was that I hit the Wall Of Diminishing Returns, got frustrated, and quit.
Perhaps if I had known enough to look into weightlifting at that point, none of that would have happened to me. From what I read on here, I should have been doing weights. If I had stopped running so much and started working with weights, would things have turned out differently for me? But that's beside the point now. The point is, I have to start all over again. Kinda like climbing a greased pole ... but my goal will never be to look like a bodybuilder. That doesn't mean I think that isn't a worthy goal, or that I don't respect people who do. It just isn't a goal *I* want to pursue at this point.
Having said that: *What* is the deal with all this judgement, guys?? You don't read carefully, then you tell me I am lazy. You just look at someone, and you think you know all about them. That makes as much sense as me looking at the next really buff person I see and thinking, "Those people are all the same. They are vain, narcissistic, and egotistical; they think because they look good that they are perfect, and they are narrowminded and condescending." How much sense would that make?? It's very analogous to what you are doing here.
When you meet someone fat, you may THINK you know why they are the way they are, you may THINK you know their whole life story, but you do not. Is it that hard to keep an open mind about other people, and to respect another as you would yourself? Is it that hard to treat the next person the way you would like to be treated?
I wonder sometimes if some of you who are so proud of your bodies are perhaps putting too many of your self-esteem egg (whites) in one place -- the gym. Suppose some terrible accident befell you tomorrow, like Christopher Reeve, and you could never have the body you have now again? What other internal resources have you developed, what else is there about you that is strong and full of integrity, that you are proud of? I see some people being very shallow here, so I wonder about that.
Some fat people blame everything that is wrong in their lives on their fat and never address their other shortcomings. I wonder if some of you never bother to address your shortcomings either... we've all got 'em. It worries me that you aren't more compassionate toward other people who are worse off than you -- and no, that doesn't mean supporting them in staying the way they are. It means looking at them as people worthy of respect no matter what they've done or how they got the way they are, and speaking to them that way if you really care about them and their problems. It's the only way to effect positive change in the world. The fact that we've just celebrated Easter suggests to me that even God isn't as hard on people as you are. Jesus came to save everybody -- not just the people who are bodybuilders.
Drizz, I just don't think you're getting it, dear.
I wasn't "running a couple of miles." With the amount of work I did I could almost have run a marathon. I didn't choose to, but that's beside the point.
I did enough work to get thin, so don't tell me I am too lazy to do the work. I weighed 135 lbs and wore a size 8, and I guess I was about a size 14 when I started, so don't tell me I "didn't see any improvements." You just aren't reading carefully. What happened to me was that I hit the Wall Of Diminishing Returns, got frustrated, and quit.
Perhaps if I had known enough to look into weightlifting at that point, none of that would have happened to me. From what I read on here, I should have been doing weights. If I had stopped running so much and started working with weights, would things have turned out differently for me? But that's beside the point now. The point is, I have to start all over again. Kinda like climbing a greased pole ... but my goal will never be to look like a bodybuilder. That doesn't mean I think that isn't a worthy goal, or that I don't respect people who do. It just isn't a goal *I* want to pursue at this point.
Having said that: *What* is the deal with all this judgement, guys?? You don't read carefully, then you tell me I am lazy. You just look at someone, and you think you know all about them. That makes as much sense as me looking at the next really buff person I see and thinking, "Those people are all the same. They are vain, narcissistic, and egotistical; they think because they look good that they are perfect, and they are narrowminded and condescending." How much sense would that make?? It's very analogous to what you are doing here.
When you meet someone fat, you may THINK you know why they are the way they are, you may THINK you know their whole life story, but you do not. Is it that hard to keep an open mind about other people, and to respect another as you would yourself? Is it that hard to treat the next person the way you would like to be treated?
I wonder sometimes if some of you who are so proud of your bodies are perhaps putting too many of your self-esteem egg (whites) in one place -- the gym. Suppose some terrible accident befell you tomorrow, like Christopher Reeve, and you could never have the body you have now again? What other internal resources have you developed, what else is there about you that is strong and full of integrity, that you are proud of? I see some people being very shallow here, so I wonder about that.
Some fat people blame everything that is wrong in their lives on their fat and never address their other shortcomings. I wonder if some of you never bother to address your shortcomings either... we've all got 'em. It worries me that you aren't more compassionate toward other people who are worse off than you -- and no, that doesn't mean supporting them in staying the way they are. It means looking at them as people worthy of respect no matter what they've done or how they got the way they are, and speaking to them that way if you really care about them and their problems. It's the only way to effect positive change in the world. The fact that we've just celebrated Easter suggests to me that even God isn't as hard on people as you are. Jesus came to save everybody -- not just the people who are bodybuilders.
Well, about the part with fat women compared to a drug addict.
I guess it would depend on how obese she was.
But the point is this: It's not that i don't love a good personality, personality is huge in my book. I have high standards. I would go on a date or two with a good looking girl but if i can't have a good conversation it's over. I ain't wasting my time.
Interesting thing i hear all the time is this paradigm:
Good looking girls don't learn to have good conversation because they don't need to.
Not so attractive girls need to have good personalities in order to make up for flaws in their bodies.
??? Merit?
Well, my picky assness has left me with no girlfriends ever but it only bugs me once in a while to be honest. I'll wait it out and i am sure it will be worth it.
Drizz,
Ok...a significant portion of obese North Americans do dick all for themselves besides stuffing doritos down their throats and watching TV all day. But, at least give some respect to someone who has made an effort to change and maybe, with education, can make a change that will last if she makes that decision.
I guess it would depend on how obese she was.
But the point is this: It's not that i don't love a good personality, personality is huge in my book. I have high standards. I would go on a date or two with a good looking girl but if i can't have a good conversation it's over. I ain't wasting my time.
Interesting thing i hear all the time is this paradigm:
Good looking girls don't learn to have good conversation because they don't need to.
Not so attractive girls need to have good personalities in order to make up for flaws in their bodies.
??? Merit?
Well, my picky assness has left me with no girlfriends ever but it only bugs me once in a while to be honest. I'll wait it out and i am sure it will be worth it.
Drizz,
Ok...a significant portion of obese North Americans do dick all for themselves besides stuffing doritos down their throats and watching TV all day. But, at least give some respect to someone who has made an effort to change and maybe, with education, can make a change that will last if she makes that decision.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Just don't put us all in the same boat. (Thanx, Sebass! 
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And even if you do get some info that suggests that a person, fat or thin, is a lazy-ass, think about this:
All lazy-ass fat people (as well as the ones that are not lazy-all) have been scorned for their weight for as long as they have been fat.
It hasn't motivated them to change (obviously).
Now, if you are doing the SAME OLD THING over and over and over again and it doesn't work ... why not try a different approach to the person??? Or, accept that that person has made a decision not to grow (psychologically, I mean ... obviously!), and turn your efforts, without bitterness and judgement, to someone who wants to change and whom you CAN help.
Even rats in a maze learn to change their approach when what they are doing isn't working ...
)And even if you do get some info that suggests that a person, fat or thin, is a lazy-ass, think about this:
All lazy-ass fat people (as well as the ones that are not lazy-all) have been scorned for their weight for as long as they have been fat.
It hasn't motivated them to change (obviously).
Now, if you are doing the SAME OLD THING over and over and over again and it doesn't work ... why not try a different approach to the person??? Or, accept that that person has made a decision not to grow (psychologically, I mean ... obviously!), and turn your efforts, without bitterness and judgement, to someone who wants to change and whom you CAN help.
Even rats in a maze learn to change their approach when what they are doing isn't working ...
See...there is this air about the whole situation.
Case Example #1: My brother: Alright, he has put on a bunch of weight and now he would never go to the pool because he is ashamed. So, i ask him if he wants to come to the gym with me. Than he sells me out a few times and i get pissed. This shit drives me mad like when someone is that lazy and it is THAT hard just to go to the gym. My mom gets pissed at me tells me to layoff. I layoff, i try to be gentle. So here is what happens. He goes to the gym on his own: barely touches a weight, only does cardio, this does DICK all. Than he starts weights but i guess that was too hard for him and now, all of a sudden he has no time and can't go to the gym anymore. BYE BYE membership and he is back on his way to being a fat ass. I am not riding his ass allday either, i don't even live with him. When i bring the topic up, all he talks about are cars to divert attention. He doesn't like talking about it and he isn't willing to change. He settles for mediocrity.
His girlfriend is a lazy bitch and this only comes to make him feel better.
Fat mentality is contagious i swear. That mentality of helplessness is the biggest piss off in the world. Wanna know what set me off the deep end and got me lose my weight besides tons of other shit i've heard: 1 guy on my football team makes a smart ass comment while we are watching film saying something along the lines of: Look at the gut on that guy. Well, i am glad he did because i realized just what kind of fat ass i was. I said to myself that that summer i was going to go through hell i wouldn't care how painful it would be or if the results would come overnight. I worked and worked and worked and lost 30 pds and i am better for it.
One reason people say shit to fat people is because they have proven time and time again that they can't do it themselves.
Case Example #1: My brother: Alright, he has put on a bunch of weight and now he would never go to the pool because he is ashamed. So, i ask him if he wants to come to the gym with me. Than he sells me out a few times and i get pissed. This shit drives me mad like when someone is that lazy and it is THAT hard just to go to the gym. My mom gets pissed at me tells me to layoff. I layoff, i try to be gentle. So here is what happens. He goes to the gym on his own: barely touches a weight, only does cardio, this does DICK all. Than he starts weights but i guess that was too hard for him and now, all of a sudden he has no time and can't go to the gym anymore. BYE BYE membership and he is back on his way to being a fat ass. I am not riding his ass allday either, i don't even live with him. When i bring the topic up, all he talks about are cars to divert attention. He doesn't like talking about it and he isn't willing to change. He settles for mediocrity.
His girlfriend is a lazy bitch and this only comes to make him feel better.
Fat mentality is contagious i swear. That mentality of helplessness is the biggest piss off in the world. Wanna know what set me off the deep end and got me lose my weight besides tons of other shit i've heard: 1 guy on my football team makes a smart ass comment while we are watching film saying something along the lines of: Look at the gut on that guy. Well, i am glad he did because i realized just what kind of fat ass i was. I said to myself that that summer i was going to go through hell i wouldn't care how painful it would be or if the results would come overnight. I worked and worked and worked and lost 30 pds and i am better for it.
One reason people say shit to fat people is because they have proven time and time again that they can't do it themselves.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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"sells you out a few times"?? I have never heard this phrase.
I understand your situation because the same is true of my brother.
Well, perhaps SOME people do get motivated by being shamed by other people and feeling embarrassed. I wasn't one of them, and most of the NAAFA people aren't either. Especially if you have worked hard and failed, multiple times, the shame factor just pisses you off.
I wonder why your brother REALLY stopped working out. A lot of times the stock excuses are covers for some other, deeper reason. I used to say I did not have time, but the fact was that even when I was working really long hours on this shitty job I still took an hour to try to jog (til my knees swelled up and I had to quit). (This was after I had quit the first time and gained all this weight.) The deeper reason in my case was that I felt betrayed by all the well-meaning advice I had gotten over the years and by my body that wasn't doing what everyone else's (supposedly) was. I was very put out by the thought that I was going to have to expend even MORE time than I did originally, when I was fed up then already! I was very angry at how things had turned out, and that Someone or Something had given me a body that was so much harder than everyone else's to maintain. I felt that it wasn't fair, because I didn't do anything to deserve an indentured servitude just to be socially acceptable. Other people didn't have to do all this to stay slim, why me???
Also, I had been exposed to the myths "other" people believe about weights ... that it's masculine, you'll look ugly, etc.
I also didn't like being embarrassed about how little I was capable of doing in the gym and feeling like others were staring and laughing.
I didn't like how hard it was. I didn't like that about running either. I found that I just had to practice at it before it felt more tolerable, and I had to remind myself that this was only for an hour or so, and that I was highly unlikely to fall down dead on the floor at the gym! I found that I was so out of shape when I started that for a while I felt WORSE overall, not better. I was working out (inconsistently) for 4-5 weeks before I noticed, finally, that on the days I worked out, I might feel bleah while I was there, but for the rest of the day I had lots more energy and felt much better, was better able to get through the day more easily, and -- best of all -- my backaches went away!! But it took some time of sloggin' through something I HATED and had to get up early to do to get to this point.
My brother's issues are different. Basically, he doesn't have a very good life overall (not going into detail here) and can't find the motivation to do one more thing he hates when everything else in life is shitty enough already. *sigh* I suppose I could talk with him about this if we had the right sort of relationship, but I don't think I'd feel comfortable having this sort of conversation with my brother, and I doubt he'd feel comfortable having it with me.
My basic point is, your mom is right about laying off. If all you can say are negative, put-down kinds of remarks, you are putting the other person in the position of having to defend himself, and he won't/can't listen. Most people don't feel challenged by a put-down. All they hear is, "You're not good enough, you're not good enough, you're not good enough. You have to meet MY standards or I'm going to hate you/I won't love you/I reduce your entire being to one single issue: WEIGHT," and that makes people angry, and then they are in no mood to speak with you about the problem or follow any advice you have.
I am a veterinarian. In my profession there is a popular saying: People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. Especially in families this is true. If you can approach the problem with a nonjudgemental attitude, just asking why the person quit, and if there was some other reason along with "not enough time," the person may feel safe enough to share other problems they may have had that you can actually help with. But they will not do this if they fear another bout of ridicule. So don't try this unless you can do it without yelling.
But sometimes you are right, and there ARE some lazy-asses out there. My mother is trying my patience right now with a life problem she refuses to do anything constructive to change (no, it isn't weight but trust me it is MORE annoying!) and I am having to decide how I am going to respond to that. Because gritting my teeth over it all the time is just going to land me an expensive visit to the dentist!!!
I am reading about that sort of thing now, because it is a significant problem in my life. One of my favorite passages about this sort of thing comes from "Remembering Wholeness" by Carol Tuttle. She is a (don't laugh) rapid-eye technician, a sort of spiritual therapist.
Sue is one of the few clients I have worked with over the years who did not get as far along in her process as I had hoped. I am reminded when this occurs that it is not my job to heal people or be responsible for waking them up to the truth that resides within them. Ultimately it is each individual's choice.
(And NO, I'm not contradicting myself here. Just because people are responsible for themselves doesn't mean we should be as mean and hateful as we can be, and society should make it as hard for them to change as it possibly can. Other people's bad behavior is no excuse for our own!!!)
I know that once they have chosen to allow the solutions to their life's challenges to be awakened within themsleves, I can assist them to do it with more grace and ease. When I meet someone who is not ready to make that choice, I can create a feeling of peace by telling myself, "... God loves all of us. I choose to see this person lovingly and accept that they still need more of their current experience." I turn them over to God and notice that I want to attract people who are ready to heal and not just looking for sympathy or relief.
I understand your situation because the same is true of my brother.
Well, perhaps SOME people do get motivated by being shamed by other people and feeling embarrassed. I wasn't one of them, and most of the NAAFA people aren't either. Especially if you have worked hard and failed, multiple times, the shame factor just pisses you off.
I wonder why your brother REALLY stopped working out. A lot of times the stock excuses are covers for some other, deeper reason. I used to say I did not have time, but the fact was that even when I was working really long hours on this shitty job I still took an hour to try to jog (til my knees swelled up and I had to quit). (This was after I had quit the first time and gained all this weight.) The deeper reason in my case was that I felt betrayed by all the well-meaning advice I had gotten over the years and by my body that wasn't doing what everyone else's (supposedly) was. I was very put out by the thought that I was going to have to expend even MORE time than I did originally, when I was fed up then already! I was very angry at how things had turned out, and that Someone or Something had given me a body that was so much harder than everyone else's to maintain. I felt that it wasn't fair, because I didn't do anything to deserve an indentured servitude just to be socially acceptable. Other people didn't have to do all this to stay slim, why me???
Also, I had been exposed to the myths "other" people believe about weights ... that it's masculine, you'll look ugly, etc.
I also didn't like being embarrassed about how little I was capable of doing in the gym and feeling like others were staring and laughing.
I didn't like how hard it was. I didn't like that about running either. I found that I just had to practice at it before it felt more tolerable, and I had to remind myself that this was only for an hour or so, and that I was highly unlikely to fall down dead on the floor at the gym! I found that I was so out of shape when I started that for a while I felt WORSE overall, not better. I was working out (inconsistently) for 4-5 weeks before I noticed, finally, that on the days I worked out, I might feel bleah while I was there, but for the rest of the day I had lots more energy and felt much better, was better able to get through the day more easily, and -- best of all -- my backaches went away!! But it took some time of sloggin' through something I HATED and had to get up early to do to get to this point.
My brother's issues are different. Basically, he doesn't have a very good life overall (not going into detail here) and can't find the motivation to do one more thing he hates when everything else in life is shitty enough already. *sigh* I suppose I could talk with him about this if we had the right sort of relationship, but I don't think I'd feel comfortable having this sort of conversation with my brother, and I doubt he'd feel comfortable having it with me.
My basic point is, your mom is right about laying off. If all you can say are negative, put-down kinds of remarks, you are putting the other person in the position of having to defend himself, and he won't/can't listen. Most people don't feel challenged by a put-down. All they hear is, "You're not good enough, you're not good enough, you're not good enough. You have to meet MY standards or I'm going to hate you/I won't love you/I reduce your entire being to one single issue: WEIGHT," and that makes people angry, and then they are in no mood to speak with you about the problem or follow any advice you have.
I am a veterinarian. In my profession there is a popular saying: People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. Especially in families this is true. If you can approach the problem with a nonjudgemental attitude, just asking why the person quit, and if there was some other reason along with "not enough time," the person may feel safe enough to share other problems they may have had that you can actually help with. But they will not do this if they fear another bout of ridicule. So don't try this unless you can do it without yelling.
But sometimes you are right, and there ARE some lazy-asses out there. My mother is trying my patience right now with a life problem she refuses to do anything constructive to change (no, it isn't weight but trust me it is MORE annoying!) and I am having to decide how I am going to respond to that. Because gritting my teeth over it all the time is just going to land me an expensive visit to the dentist!!!
I am reading about that sort of thing now, because it is a significant problem in my life. One of my favorite passages about this sort of thing comes from "Remembering Wholeness" by Carol Tuttle. She is a (don't laugh) rapid-eye technician, a sort of spiritual therapist.
Sue is one of the few clients I have worked with over the years who did not get as far along in her process as I had hoped. I am reminded when this occurs that it is not my job to heal people or be responsible for waking them up to the truth that resides within them. Ultimately it is each individual's choice.
(And NO, I'm not contradicting myself here. Just because people are responsible for themselves doesn't mean we should be as mean and hateful as we can be, and society should make it as hard for them to change as it possibly can. Other people's bad behavior is no excuse for our own!!!)
I know that once they have chosen to allow the solutions to their life's challenges to be awakened within themsleves, I can assist them to do it with more grace and ease. When I meet someone who is not ready to make that choice, I can create a feeling of peace by telling myself, "... God loves all of us. I choose to see this person lovingly and accept that they still need more of their current experience." I turn them over to God and notice that I want to attract people who are ready to heal and not just looking for sympathy or relief.
See...the thing is...I don't think i would have reacted that way unless at the same time i was looking at myself on the screen.
I didn't say anything because he was right.
Sold out...umm...left on the hook...like when he says he is going to come and doesn't show up...
It just is frustrating to see people slip up like that. They do not know what they are missing out on and either way it seems like they are not making progress. See, if i stand back nothing will get better quickly, but if i help than things can get a lot better quickly if he listens to me, but he has too much pride for that and doesn't want to deal with things like that. Instead he is happy with his 1 slurpee a day.
I didn't say anything because he was right.
Sold out...umm...left on the hook...like when he says he is going to come and doesn't show up...
It just is frustrating to see people slip up like that. They do not know what they are missing out on and either way it seems like they are not making progress. See, if i stand back nothing will get better quickly, but if i help than things can get a lot better quickly if he listens to me, but he has too much pride for that and doesn't want to deal with things like that. Instead he is happy with his 1 slurpee a day.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I understand you being frustrated. I am SURE my bro is going to drop dead of a heart attack before 35 because he is more obese than I am and he doesn't eat ANYTHING other than burgers and fries!!
But those are my best thoughts on how to approach the subject.
Like I said, if one approach isn't workin' for ya, try something else.
I know cruel remarks from others motivated YOU, but everyone else *isn't you.* I can't think of anything more frustrating than doing something with your anger and worry that isn't working and keeping on doing it.
But those are my best thoughts on how to approach the subject.
Like I said, if one approach isn't workin' for ya, try something else.
I know cruel remarks from others motivated YOU, but everyone else *isn't you.* I can't think of anything more frustrating than doing something with your anger and worry that isn't working and keeping on doing it.
"That's terrible. Those are truly awful people. I blame no one but myself for my current state (700+ pounds), and I don't think it's right that they just lump all us big folks into one group of lazy slobs.
They're all very lucky that I'm a shut-in. "
Is that guy serious?
They're all very lucky that I'm a shut-in. "
Is that guy serious?
ladymacbeth
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superdave said:
Wow Superdave, that's really sad. I can't believe the way which people prefer drama and pain in their relationships to please the status quo. Pretty damn pathetic, really.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I don't know, I suppose he is ... 
True. But that doesn't mean it's right.
Plus, as human beings we have been given brains and independent wills to think with and to rise above nature. To discern right from wrong, and to decide what kind of people we really want to be. We aren't controlled by biology like a cat or dog.
I don't mean to say that a person should date fat people if he or she really can't stomach that at the present time. But how you treat people is always under your control.
True. But that doesn't mean it's right.
Plus, as human beings we have been given brains and independent wills to think with and to rise above nature. To discern right from wrong, and to decide what kind of people we really want to be. We aren't controlled by biology like a cat or dog.
I don't mean to say that a person should date fat people if he or she really can't stomach that at the present time. But how you treat people is always under your control.
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Rockafella Skank
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I've begun seeing parallels between this thread and US-Soviet/Russian relationships since the 1950s. When it began it was much like McCarthy-ism at its peak. Then we had the Cold War at its most bitter (Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missle Crisis, Kruschev pounding his shoe on the lectern at the UN). There was even a Nixon trip to China (kinda, sorta). Now it's like the Ronnie/Gorby era. It's just a matter of time before the Berlin Wall comes down.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I personally wouldn't complain ...
Zirakzigil
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I don't think I'm ready for the Berlin wall to come down, I'm fresh out of trojans.
Rockafella Skank
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:I personally wouldn't complain ...
Who said I was complaining?
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I wasn't.
I was teasing.
Bodmin, sorry you have such a weak stomach ...
I was teasing.
Bodmin, sorry you have such a weak stomach ...
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Frackal
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I have developed quite a bit of respect for Trollfromthefatboard due to the way (she?) handles herself here.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I'm on a mission. Ya can't judge all fat people by their blubber ...
Now ... if I can only do as well in the gym this week ...
Now ... if I can only do as well in the gym this week ...
Rockafella Skank
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It was late. My ability to grasp context was impaired.ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:I wasn't. I was teasing.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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p0ink
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troll (aka LL)
I noticed you posted this shit over at the fat monstrocity site. get your fucking facts straight, before you start posting retarded shit.
"OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! I've been posting on the elite board that p0ink guy was from. Now he's going into sex sites and posting people's "role plays" onto those boards!!!!!wtf???? I leave you to draw your own conclusions ... since I'm trying to stay out of judgement these days ..."
Those are fucking conversation logs off of a comedian's website, not my own. And how you did not know they weren't there to be a joke is beyond me. Plus, you act as if 'cyber sex' is some foreign idea to these people, you know, the same fat people that couldnt get fucked in the dark by a blind and dumb quadrapalegic.
I noticed you posted this shit over at the fat monstrocity site. get your fucking facts straight, before you start posting retarded shit.
"OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! I've been posting on the elite board that p0ink guy was from. Now he's going into sex sites and posting people's "role plays" onto those boards!!!!!wtf???? I leave you to draw your own conclusions ... since I'm trying to stay out of judgement these days ..."
Those are fucking conversation logs off of a comedian's website, not my own. And how you did not know they weren't there to be a joke is beyond me. Plus, you act as if 'cyber sex' is some foreign idea to these people, you know, the same fat people that couldnt get fucked in the dark by a blind and dumb quadrapalegic.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Sorry.
I did not check on the link before I posted that.
I thought that perhaps you, having gotten tired of the fat people, were making a career out of making fun of people.
I apologize.
I did not check on the link before I posted that.
I thought that perhaps you, having gotten tired of the fat people, were making a career out of making fun of people.
I apologize.
Madd Hatter
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If this bumper sticker saying isn't appropriate here, it never will be:
NUKE THE WHALES!
NUKE THE WHALES!
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Gee, thanks.
I guess you've never made a mistake in your whole life.
Or if you have, it doesn't count, because of the shape of your body.
I guess you've never made a mistake in your whole life.
Or if you have, it doesn't count, because of the shape of your body.
Troll i have a idea how about you stop your CONSTANT whining about how we sould accept your fat ass, I don't give a fuck if people like what I am gonna say or not. Stop posting with your "please understand why I want to eat like a fucking pig and not workout" "please understand that I like being a fat lazy pig" I am personally sick of hearing you whine on this thread. How about you get on a flatbed one-ton and take your ass back over the the fatassboard where it belongs and leave the fitness site to the ones of us who actually want to better ourselves.
Drizz
Drizz
Madd Hatter
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I have managed to send this thread degenerating again! Whoo-hoo!
Oh, and starfish, don't call me a loser, especially since when I insult/flame, I have good backup, and I've never said a damn thing about you period. Thanks.
Oh, and starfish, don't call me a loser, especially since when I insult/flame, I have good backup, and I've never said a damn thing about you period. Thanks.
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2 ton hoss
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I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH FAT PEOPLE BUT I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO THINK THEY ARE LAZY SODS. ANYONE WHO COULD MAKE SUCH A HABIT OF GORGING THEMSELVES ON GOODIES, TO GET THEMSELVES INTO THAT STATE, IS NOT WORTHY OF RESPECT UNTIL THEY DEMONSTRATE THEIR WILLPOWER AND SLIM THEMSELVES AGAIN.
2 TON HOSS
2 TON HOSS
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Drizz, you're just not listening at all, sweetie.
None of that ... drizzle is what I've been trying to say here.
But you're as incapable of hearing that as we are of hearing, "You fat fuck, etc. etc. etc.," so I'm going to drop it and not hold it against you.
As far as those of you whose thinking runs along these lines:
My response to you runs sort of like this:
No human being is perfect.
The last perfect human to walk the earth ascended into Heaven about 2000 years ago.
I realize that larger people make easy targets because whatever physical or mental flaws they have, cause visible evidence. They show up on our bodies, so that others (whose problems in living don't happen to end up as fat) have something at which to point and laugh, mock, ridicule, and judge.
However, as I said, there won't be any perfect humans on this planet until the Second Coming.
It certainly is easy, isn't it, to reduce our complicated lives to one issue: eating, fat, and weight. If you eat perfectly, exercise perfectly, and look perfect, you must have a free pass beyond the pearly gates.
Life isn't that simple.
Perhaps it makes you feel good to point at another, someone with visible flaws, and imagine that since that person has a problem you can see and you do not, you must not have anything in your life you might want to think about doing differently yourself.
I submit that your problems in living become evident the moment you open your mouth. I can't see them, but I sure can hear them ... or in this case, read them. That the world is much more forgiving of you because you look nicer than me is, I suppose, to your advantage.
You seem to think you are better than certain other people in the world because you look better than they do. Therefore, you feel entitled to treat them as less. And it is because you think you are better that you think you are right.
But, as soon as you think you are better, look how you start to *act.* Can you really call this good?
Is this the way you think Jesus would treat fat people, if He showed up here tomorrow? Why is it OK for you, then?
The truth is, we are *all* doing the best we can with whatever life issues we face. I am, and I realize as I read these not-so-compassionate things you write that you are, too.
______________
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
The evolution of a society is measured by how well it treats the least among its members. As I have said, the challenge is to find the balance between helping people and hurting them.
--Neale Donald Walsch
"Whatsoever ye do unto the least of these ... ye do unto me."
None of that ... drizzle is what I've been trying to say here.
But you're as incapable of hearing that as we are of hearing, "You fat fuck, etc. etc. etc.," so I'm going to drop it and not hold it against you.
As far as those of you whose thinking runs along these lines:
My response to you runs sort of like this:
No human being is perfect.
The last perfect human to walk the earth ascended into Heaven about 2000 years ago.
I realize that larger people make easy targets because whatever physical or mental flaws they have, cause visible evidence. They show up on our bodies, so that others (whose problems in living don't happen to end up as fat) have something at which to point and laugh, mock, ridicule, and judge.
However, as I said, there won't be any perfect humans on this planet until the Second Coming.
It certainly is easy, isn't it, to reduce our complicated lives to one issue: eating, fat, and weight. If you eat perfectly, exercise perfectly, and look perfect, you must have a free pass beyond the pearly gates.
Life isn't that simple.
Perhaps it makes you feel good to point at another, someone with visible flaws, and imagine that since that person has a problem you can see and you do not, you must not have anything in your life you might want to think about doing differently yourself.
I submit that your problems in living become evident the moment you open your mouth. I can't see them, but I sure can hear them ... or in this case, read them. That the world is much more forgiving of you because you look nicer than me is, I suppose, to your advantage.
You seem to think you are better than certain other people in the world because you look better than they do. Therefore, you feel entitled to treat them as less. And it is because you think you are better that you think you are right.
But, as soon as you think you are better, look how you start to *act.* Can you really call this good?
Is this the way you think Jesus would treat fat people, if He showed up here tomorrow? Why is it OK for you, then?
The truth is, we are *all* doing the best we can with whatever life issues we face. I am, and I realize as I read these not-so-compassionate things you write that you are, too.
______________
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
The evolution of a society is measured by how well it treats the least among its members. As I have said, the challenge is to find the balance between helping people and hurting them.
--Neale Donald Walsch
"Whatsoever ye do unto the least of these ... ye do unto me."
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2 ton hoss
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I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN AND AS SUCH I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS A PERFECT MAN. JESUS CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF. PERHAPS IF YOU SPENT LESS TIME PRAYING AND HANDWRINGING AND MORE TIME PUSHING THE STEEL, YOU WOULD NOT BE HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OVERWEIGHT. NO ANIMOSITY MEANT HERE.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I don't mean to offend anyone on the basis of religion. I personally am not a Christian, either. But most people here are, I think. I was using it as an example.
I suppose in the case that you don't believe Jesus was perfect, then there are and never WERE any perfect humans.
The attitude which seems to be prevalent here, that fat is a sin rivaling child rape, murder, and 9-11, and fat people should be treated accordingly, is, well ... arguable at best. Lighten up, people. You aren't perfect yourselves.
I am not, contrary to popular belief, "hundreds of pounds" overweight. And I do work out most days of the week.
But it really shouldn't matter HOW overweight I or anyone else is.
People are more than just bodies.
I suppose in the case that you don't believe Jesus was perfect, then there are and never WERE any perfect humans.
The attitude which seems to be prevalent here, that fat is a sin rivaling child rape, murder, and 9-11, and fat people should be treated accordingly, is, well ... arguable at best. Lighten up, people. You aren't perfect yourselves.
I am not, contrary to popular belief, "hundreds of pounds" overweight. And I do work out most days of the week.
But it really shouldn't matter HOW overweight I or anyone else is.
People are more than just bodies.
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2 ton hoss
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I DO NOT THINK THAT BEING FAT IS A SIN, OR EVIL.
I THINK IN ALL BUT THE MOST EXTREME CASES OF RAW GENETICS, BEING MASSIVELY OVERWEIGHT IS A RESULT OF CONSISTENT LAZINESS. MAYBE NOT ALWAYS BEING LAZY. BUT BEING ON THE AVERAGE LAZY ENOUGH TO GROW TO HAVE DOZENS OR HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OVERWEIGHT.
I MAY BE PREJUDICED HERE. I USED TO DO A LOT OF WILDERNESS SURVIVAL, MOST OF THE TIME FOR FUN, SOME OF THE TIME OUT OF NECESSITY. DURING THOSE TIMES, YOU THANKED YOUR LUCKY STARS FOR EACH DIGESTIBLE CALORIE YOU CAME BY.
SURE I EAT 5000 CALORIES A DAY NOW. BUT I USE ALL THOSE - AS I AM NOT GAINING FAT. I DO NOT CONSIDER GAINING FAT TO BE A VALID USE OF CALORIES.
I THINK IN ALL BUT THE MOST EXTREME CASES OF RAW GENETICS, BEING MASSIVELY OVERWEIGHT IS A RESULT OF CONSISTENT LAZINESS. MAYBE NOT ALWAYS BEING LAZY. BUT BEING ON THE AVERAGE LAZY ENOUGH TO GROW TO HAVE DOZENS OR HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OVERWEIGHT.
I MAY BE PREJUDICED HERE. I USED TO DO A LOT OF WILDERNESS SURVIVAL, MOST OF THE TIME FOR FUN, SOME OF THE TIME OUT OF NECESSITY. DURING THOSE TIMES, YOU THANKED YOUR LUCKY STARS FOR EACH DIGESTIBLE CALORIE YOU CAME BY.
SURE I EAT 5000 CALORIES A DAY NOW. BUT I USE ALL THOSE - AS I AM NOT GAINING FAT. I DO NOT CONSIDER GAINING FAT TO BE A VALID USE OF CALORIES.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I'm not sure that EVERY person who is now fat got that way by being lazy and eating too much.
Many, many women started when they were teenagers and of NORMAL body weight, dieting due to seeing magazines, movie stars, etc, and thinking they were fat. Many times these women will cut their food intake WAY down. Then their metabolism slows down, and before they know it, they are truly starting to get fat.
But the only way they know to solve the problem is to diet more, eat only salads and lowfat substitute nasty stuff, and do aerobics. The less they like the way they look, the more they try to starve themselves, and that sets them up to have food cravings and binge.
This is how I started to get fat. If I had known when I was 14 and 15 that my HEALTHY body looked FINE just the way it was, I might not have started on the diet-binge merry-go-round. I might not have gotten fed up with exercise when, in reality, I was actually doing pretty well and probably should have just added weights. Women need to be more educated so they don't do this to themselves.
I do not know if it will ever be possible to reclaim my slim figure. But I am going to do the best I can to take care of the body I have now.
From what I read on here the advice that is out there in the mainstream about how to get rid of excess fat is incorrect at best. But too many people only know the "Prevention Magazine lifestyle," which is basically, "Eat crates of kale."
I think people would benefit from what I read on this board. But it will never reach the overweight if it is delivered to them in a punitive manner.
People are overweight for lots of reasons. It isn't always as simple as you think.
Many, many women started when they were teenagers and of NORMAL body weight, dieting due to seeing magazines, movie stars, etc, and thinking they were fat. Many times these women will cut their food intake WAY down. Then their metabolism slows down, and before they know it, they are truly starting to get fat.
But the only way they know to solve the problem is to diet more, eat only salads and lowfat substitute nasty stuff, and do aerobics. The less they like the way they look, the more they try to starve themselves, and that sets them up to have food cravings and binge.
This is how I started to get fat. If I had known when I was 14 and 15 that my HEALTHY body looked FINE just the way it was, I might not have started on the diet-binge merry-go-round. I might not have gotten fed up with exercise when, in reality, I was actually doing pretty well and probably should have just added weights. Women need to be more educated so they don't do this to themselves.
I do not know if it will ever be possible to reclaim my slim figure. But I am going to do the best I can to take care of the body I have now.
From what I read on here the advice that is out there in the mainstream about how to get rid of excess fat is incorrect at best. But too many people only know the "Prevention Magazine lifestyle," which is basically, "Eat crates of kale."
I think people would benefit from what I read on this board. But it will never reach the overweight if it is delivered to them in a punitive manner.
People are overweight for lots of reasons. It isn't always as simple as you think.
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2 ton hoss
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FIRST, THAT IS THEIR OWN STUPIDITY OR IGNORANCE. THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR. I NEVER TRUST FLASHY MAGAZINES OR WEBSITES.
SECOND, THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY SOMEONE WOULD BE PUDGY OR PLUMP. I CONTEND THAT IT WOULD STILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO BE, SAY, 60+ POUNDS OVERFAT WITHOUT BEING A LAZY GLUTTON.
SECOND, THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY SOMEONE WOULD BE PUDGY OR PLUMP. I CONTEND THAT IT WOULD STILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO BE, SAY, 60+ POUNDS OVERFAT WITHOUT BEING A LAZY GLUTTON.
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Frackal
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Yes troll I agree t hat the proper information on how to transform one's body properly should be more readily available, but these people are ultimately responsible for their own lack of progress by following BS methods....I'm here, you're here, where are the rest?
The number 1 cause of obesity in the country is gluttony, and sloth.
(Just watched "Seven")
But it's true.
The number 1 cause of obesity in the country is gluttony, and sloth.
(Just watched "Seven")
But it's true.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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*sigh*
You guys are making this WAY too simple.
Overweight is a MULTIFACTORIAL problem.
I have been there, and even though I tried and tried and TRIED to do something about it over and over for ten years, I'm still fat. If there were a simple answer, do you think ANYONE would still be fat after all the hazing we get from folks like you?? You must be kidding!!!
Well, OK, maybe there are some individuals who might. (I think I just met one over there.) But most of us would get back to work on it if we knew something that might actually work.
The reasons fat people don't are:
1. The "eat salad and do aerobics" game is pretty much the only game in town in their minds. When you hear it over and over and over and it's entrenched in your mind, you don't really even know enough to *look* for any other info. I didn't. I had even seen Body for Life before and thought, simultaneously, "Ugh! I don't want to look like THAT!" and, "There's no way that's possible for someone like me." The only way I came over here is because I was pissed about someone from here coming over to our board and posting this thread, and then someone else over here was actually NICE to me and this inspired me to look around.
2. People THINK they know about bodybuilding, but of course they do not. Think how many times you have to explain to people right here on this board: "No, you don't look like that without years of hard work. No, some people even need pharmaceutical help to get results like that." If you know that these stereotypes are out there even among the thin, know that they are out there among the fat, too. It kind of reminds me of a certain mindset here.
You cannot open your mind to learn *unless and until* you let go of what you already THINK you know. People who don't bodybuild are like that about bodybuilding ... and people who do bodybuild are the same way about fat, it would seem.
3. Why don't more people check this out? Yes, the books are out there. But, um, some people, and I don't say this to offend, don't like the bodybuilding physique at ALL. It seems to me that this lifestyle, like the more mainstream "weight loss plans," seems to sell itself mainly on the image of WHAT YOU COULD LOOK LIKE. So there's always some ripped example of success on the cover, which just feeds people's perceptions. Secondly, someone who looks like us is often ashamed to approach someone who looks like you, say, at the gym or whatever, because they are afraid that they will be laughed at. I know I felt the same way when I first went to a trainer. They know they will have to demonstrate EXACTLY how out of shape they are, and the person may laugh at them behind their back. The only reason I swallowed it and went anyway was because I was having backaches and had to be on my feet over 10 hours a day for a job and knew if I didn't do *something* I'd be toast.
I haven't seen too much on *this* thread that would make me think otherwise.
Guys, you can't have it both ways.
If bodybuilding information is ever going to be more mainstream, it needs to learn how to talk to that audience. I saw on another thread where some women were lamenting the number of girls in their gym who were working out with tiny pink weights and doing aerobics forever, and how they felt this wasn't helping them.
I can't stress this enough: When I was doing that kind of exercise, I seriously thought I was doing the best thing for myself. Then I thought it wasn't working (fed by the worthless goals the media encourages one to adopt), wondered why it wasn't working (must be MY fault! Everyone around me says this works "if only you work hard enough"), and why I hated it (must be MY fault! We're supposed to *like* running down the road for hours and hours every week ...)
PLEASE READ:: Years and years and years of "must be MY fault" depress the overweight and convince them that they can never be anything BUT overweight. That's why you HAVE a group today whose credo is, "Please. Just leave us alone and accept us the way we are."
*I* personally don't think I am ever going to change my body shape. Yeah, I know, self-defeating attitude, but when you have been devastated by failure again and again and again, you *have* to give up any attachment to being slim in order to do any kind of program at all. The risk of failing ("Maybe I'm just born to be fat no matter WHAT I do") AGAIN and feeling horrible YET another time is just too daunting to approach exercise and eating any other way. Basically, if they are basing self acceptance on WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, most people are never going to get started.
As I said, if you want this information to get out and you seriously want to help people, YOU MUST LEARN HOW TO TALK TO YOUR AUDIENCE. (And I respectfully request that if you don't want this information to get out and you don't seriously want to help people, please just shut up.)
We do this all the time in veterinary medicine. If I know your dog should be vaccinated for parvo, and I think you should know because the last four puppies you brought home from the pound came into your house and died from it and I've explained that you have parvo on your premesis, can I say: "Look, you idiot. I don't know why you didn't hear me last time, but here's what you have to do ... LISTEN!!" No, I can't. That just alienates people ... and she who alienates clients at the veterinaary practice loses business, doesn't get her message out, and gets fired.
Look at advertising. Do they show you a car and talk demeaningly to you? No; they know that doesn't interest people.
I realize that for all of you, weightlifting is very much about what you look like. If you didn't look "ripped," you would consider the experience all for nothing. But I certainly would not, and neither would someone else who perhaps you would call "skinny fat" who is just trying to have an easier time keeping her weight down at her current shape and size. Somebody from here could write a book, "weightlifting for 'regular' people" (OK, title could use some work!) using models that aren't "ripped," and cover the basics and the benefits without the emphasis on appearance, include a chapter on how to learn more about getting "ripped" if you're interested, and make a lot of money. I think most people would be interested to hear that the type of diet and exercise they thought they were doing right actually is working against them.
But it seems to me that bodybuilding is an insular, elitist, and in some instances snooty and arrogant group. IF YOU WANT MAINSTREAM PEOPLE TO DEVELOP AN INTEREST IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY YOU HAVE TO SPEAK "MAINSTREAM." And derogatory shit like "You fat fuck, this is all your fault," won't help you.
You DON'T know how people got there, no matter what you think you know. And focusing on "how they got that way" does not address, "What are we going to do about it?" It KEEPS you from addressing, "What are we going to do about it?"
As I've said here before, you can put people down and just laugh at them, or you can employ a little compassion, learn something about your audience, and actually be of some help.
PICK ONE.
You don't know all there is to know about the problem of overweight any more than I know all there is to know about your lifestyle. I put aside what I THOUGHT I knew and came over here.
I now extend that same challenge to you.
Boldly go.
You guys are making this WAY too simple.
Overweight is a MULTIFACTORIAL problem.
I have been there, and even though I tried and tried and TRIED to do something about it over and over for ten years, I'm still fat. If there were a simple answer, do you think ANYONE would still be fat after all the hazing we get from folks like you?? You must be kidding!!!
Well, OK, maybe there are some individuals who might. (I think I just met one over there.) But most of us would get back to work on it if we knew something that might actually work.
The reasons fat people don't are:
1. The "eat salad and do aerobics" game is pretty much the only game in town in their minds. When you hear it over and over and over and it's entrenched in your mind, you don't really even know enough to *look* for any other info. I didn't. I had even seen Body for Life before and thought, simultaneously, "Ugh! I don't want to look like THAT!" and, "There's no way that's possible for someone like me." The only way I came over here is because I was pissed about someone from here coming over to our board and posting this thread, and then someone else over here was actually NICE to me and this inspired me to look around.
2. People THINK they know about bodybuilding, but of course they do not. Think how many times you have to explain to people right here on this board: "No, you don't look like that without years of hard work. No, some people even need pharmaceutical help to get results like that." If you know that these stereotypes are out there even among the thin, know that they are out there among the fat, too. It kind of reminds me of a certain mindset here.
You cannot open your mind to learn *unless and until* you let go of what you already THINK you know. People who don't bodybuild are like that about bodybuilding ... and people who do bodybuild are the same way about fat, it would seem.
3. Why don't more people check this out? Yes, the books are out there. But, um, some people, and I don't say this to offend, don't like the bodybuilding physique at ALL. It seems to me that this lifestyle, like the more mainstream "weight loss plans," seems to sell itself mainly on the image of WHAT YOU COULD LOOK LIKE. So there's always some ripped example of success on the cover, which just feeds people's perceptions. Secondly, someone who looks like us is often ashamed to approach someone who looks like you, say, at the gym or whatever, because they are afraid that they will be laughed at. I know I felt the same way when I first went to a trainer. They know they will have to demonstrate EXACTLY how out of shape they are, and the person may laugh at them behind their back. The only reason I swallowed it and went anyway was because I was having backaches and had to be on my feet over 10 hours a day for a job and knew if I didn't do *something* I'd be toast.
I haven't seen too much on *this* thread that would make me think otherwise.
Guys, you can't have it both ways.
If bodybuilding information is ever going to be more mainstream, it needs to learn how to talk to that audience. I saw on another thread where some women were lamenting the number of girls in their gym who were working out with tiny pink weights and doing aerobics forever, and how they felt this wasn't helping them.
I can't stress this enough: When I was doing that kind of exercise, I seriously thought I was doing the best thing for myself. Then I thought it wasn't working (fed by the worthless goals the media encourages one to adopt), wondered why it wasn't working (must be MY fault! Everyone around me says this works "if only you work hard enough"), and why I hated it (must be MY fault! We're supposed to *like* running down the road for hours and hours every week ...)
PLEASE READ:: Years and years and years of "must be MY fault" depress the overweight and convince them that they can never be anything BUT overweight. That's why you HAVE a group today whose credo is, "Please. Just leave us alone and accept us the way we are."
*I* personally don't think I am ever going to change my body shape. Yeah, I know, self-defeating attitude, but when you have been devastated by failure again and again and again, you *have* to give up any attachment to being slim in order to do any kind of program at all. The risk of failing ("Maybe I'm just born to be fat no matter WHAT I do") AGAIN and feeling horrible YET another time is just too daunting to approach exercise and eating any other way. Basically, if they are basing self acceptance on WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, most people are never going to get started.
As I said, if you want this information to get out and you seriously want to help people, YOU MUST LEARN HOW TO TALK TO YOUR AUDIENCE. (And I respectfully request that if you don't want this information to get out and you don't seriously want to help people, please just shut up.)
We do this all the time in veterinary medicine. If I know your dog should be vaccinated for parvo, and I think you should know because the last four puppies you brought home from the pound came into your house and died from it and I've explained that you have parvo on your premesis, can I say: "Look, you idiot. I don't know why you didn't hear me last time, but here's what you have to do ... LISTEN!!" No, I can't. That just alienates people ... and she who alienates clients at the veterinaary practice loses business, doesn't get her message out, and gets fired.
Look at advertising. Do they show you a car and talk demeaningly to you? No; they know that doesn't interest people.
I realize that for all of you, weightlifting is very much about what you look like. If you didn't look "ripped," you would consider the experience all for nothing. But I certainly would not, and neither would someone else who perhaps you would call "skinny fat" who is just trying to have an easier time keeping her weight down at her current shape and size. Somebody from here could write a book, "weightlifting for 'regular' people" (OK, title could use some work!) using models that aren't "ripped," and cover the basics and the benefits without the emphasis on appearance, include a chapter on how to learn more about getting "ripped" if you're interested, and make a lot of money. I think most people would be interested to hear that the type of diet and exercise they thought they were doing right actually is working against them.
But it seems to me that bodybuilding is an insular, elitist, and in some instances snooty and arrogant group. IF YOU WANT MAINSTREAM PEOPLE TO DEVELOP AN INTEREST IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY YOU HAVE TO SPEAK "MAINSTREAM." And derogatory shit like "You fat fuck, this is all your fault," won't help you.
You DON'T know how people got there, no matter what you think you know. And focusing on "how they got that way" does not address, "What are we going to do about it?" It KEEPS you from addressing, "What are we going to do about it?"
As I've said here before, you can put people down and just laugh at them, or you can employ a little compassion, learn something about your audience, and actually be of some help.
PICK ONE.
You don't know all there is to know about the problem of overweight any more than I know all there is to know about your lifestyle. I put aside what I THOUGHT I knew and came over here.
I now extend that same challenge to you.
Boldly go.
Steroid_Virgin
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bro..
You have to lose that attitude... the attitude that says I'll be fat for the rest of my life no matter what. I mean, you can do the stomach staple thing, you can get on some thryroid meds.. there is plenty you can do. Its all your mind set... you have to believe.. If you do not believe, you cannot do... If you do believe.. and you put the effort in, you will achieve... This is about behavoir modificaion.. yeah, you may need help.. but dont I dont think ya want it bro.
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You have to lose that attitude... the attitude that says I'll be fat for the rest of my life no matter what. I mean, you can do the stomach staple thing, you can get on some thryroid meds.. there is plenty you can do. Its all your mind set... you have to believe.. If you do not believe, you cannot do... If you do believe.. and you put the effort in, you will achieve... This is about behavoir modificaion.. yeah, you may need help.. but dont I dont think ya want it bro.
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p0ink
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more of the same bullshit attitude
"Hi everyone, I am flat out angry at the advertising of Lane Bryant! I am 5'9, 230 pounds, and I wear a size 14/16 top and size 16 or 18 pants from Lane Bryant. My issue is their advertising! They use slim/average sized women in their ads!
Why is this allowed? I have asked several sales girls (and most of them are very large or super sized), and they justify this. I had one salesgirl tell me tonight that they use women who are sized 10, 11/12, and that is considered "plus sized". THIS IS WRONG!! I BELIEVE NAAFA SHOULD JOIN AND EFFORT TO STOP THIS TYPE OF THING!
How can a company who sells clothing to larger women show women who are slim in their ads???!! This is insane!
Can someone tell me what I can say or do about this? What kind of message are we sending out to younger girls?
I am very serious about this. PLEASE someone tell me what I can do to fight this!"
See what I mean troll? this is the same bullshit attitude that i am talking about. these people get up in arms cause their disgusting obesity is not used in ads to sell clothing. And not only do they bitch and moan about it, they try to form so kind of group to do something about it. This is bullshit. Why should a company that is trying to market clothes to make people look attractive be forced to have fat mongrels glossing the pages of their advertisements. No one wants to see that. Maybe CK should get people like john goodman or sam kinnison (yes i already used this example, and yes i know kinnison is dead) to do their ads for their clothing. THe sales would skyrocket right? after all this would only be 'fair' right?
"Hi everyone, I am flat out angry at the advertising of Lane Bryant! I am 5'9, 230 pounds, and I wear a size 14/16 top and size 16 or 18 pants from Lane Bryant. My issue is their advertising! They use slim/average sized women in their ads!
Why is this allowed? I have asked several sales girls (and most of them are very large or super sized), and they justify this. I had one salesgirl tell me tonight that they use women who are sized 10, 11/12, and that is considered "plus sized". THIS IS WRONG!! I BELIEVE NAAFA SHOULD JOIN AND EFFORT TO STOP THIS TYPE OF THING!
How can a company who sells clothing to larger women show women who are slim in their ads???!! This is insane!
Can someone tell me what I can say or do about this? What kind of message are we sending out to younger girls?
I am very serious about this. PLEASE someone tell me what I can do to fight this!"
See what I mean troll? this is the same bullshit attitude that i am talking about. these people get up in arms cause their disgusting obesity is not used in ads to sell clothing. And not only do they bitch and moan about it, they try to form so kind of group to do something about it. This is bullshit. Why should a company that is trying to market clothes to make people look attractive be forced to have fat mongrels glossing the pages of their advertisements. No one wants to see that. Maybe CK should get people like john goodman or sam kinnison (yes i already used this example, and yes i know kinnison is dead) to do their ads for their clothing. THe sales would skyrocket right? after all this would only be 'fair' right?
Troll, this is a self-defeating attitude as stated earlier by Steroid _Virgin.. First let me address a couple of points:
But, um, some people, and I don't say this to offend, don't like the bodybuilding physique at ALL
What? How do you define a BB physique? They are across the board. Also, people who are in that bad of shape don't have to worry about looking like Mr. O overnight - they won't wake up one morning and say "Oh my god, I look like Mr. O! What the fuck do I do???????"
Also, you stated mis-conceptions forced onto fat people - like pink weight pumping & tons of cardio. True, but this is where the human mind takes over - research and don't believe every moron and jackass that gives you advice - Like Prevention Magazine.
IF you stick with a solid program like body for life for 6 months you'll notice enough improvement to keep you motivated to continue on. Another thing, if you want to get in shape and will accept the fact that you can do it then ignore and pretty much drop any fat friends you have - leave them as they will want to discourage you , whine, and spend their time shopping for big clothes, picketing Lane Bryant, watching Oprah, have "special" occasions 3-4x a week that justify eating huge amounts of shit and will be in shock if you don't schedule your life around bad TV shows..
Wake up, drop all fat lazy friends, don't be a victim - try it for 6 months WITH 0 tolerance for anything but a healthy lifestyle and you'll be amazed..
But, um, some people, and I don't say this to offend, don't like the bodybuilding physique at ALL
What? How do you define a BB physique? They are across the board. Also, people who are in that bad of shape don't have to worry about looking like Mr. O overnight - they won't wake up one morning and say "Oh my god, I look like Mr. O! What the fuck do I do???????"
Also, you stated mis-conceptions forced onto fat people - like pink weight pumping & tons of cardio. True, but this is where the human mind takes over - research and don't believe every moron and jackass that gives you advice - Like Prevention Magazine.
IF you stick with a solid program like body for life for 6 months you'll notice enough improvement to keep you motivated to continue on. Another thing, if you want to get in shape and will accept the fact that you can do it then ignore and pretty much drop any fat friends you have - leave them as they will want to discourage you , whine, and spend their time shopping for big clothes, picketing Lane Bryant, watching Oprah, have "special" occasions 3-4x a week that justify eating huge amounts of shit and will be in shock if you don't schedule your life around bad TV shows..
Wake up, drop all fat lazy friends, don't be a victim - try it for 6 months WITH 0 tolerance for anything but a healthy lifestyle and you'll be amazed..
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2 ton hoss
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TROLL YOU NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME. YOU ARE STILL BLAMING THE MEDIA. "STUFF THE MEDIA FED TO ME" (INTERESTING ANALOGY). "STUFF POPULAR CULTURE FED TO ME". MAYBE IT IS YOUR DAMN FAULT YOU BELIEVED THAT SHIT. MAYBE YOU HAVE WORKED YOUR ASS OFF TO TRY TO GET THIN (AFTER READING YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS IT IS CLEAR YOU DID SO WITH NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER OF NUTRITION, SO I AM NOT SURPRISED IT FAILED) - THAT IS IRRELEVANT TO MY POINT. MY POINT WAS YOU COULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN VERY FAT IN THE FIRST PLACE UNLESS YOU HAD INDULGED IN A FAIRLY LENGTHY PERIOD OF LAZINESS AND GLUTTONY.
WEIGHTLIFTING FOR ME IS NOT FOR MY LOOKS. I AM AN UGLY SON OF A BITCH AND I HAVE A BUNCH OF SCARS. I AM NOT A PRETTY BOY, I JUST WANT TO BE STRONG.
IT IS AMUSING TO ME HOW FAT PEOPLE WANT A VALIDATION OF THEIR LIFESTYLE. THEY WANT THE MEDIA TO SAY IT IS NO BETTER AND NO WORSE TO BE A 5'4 275 POUND BLOB OF OVERINDULGENCE THAN IT IS TO BE 5'4 AND IN GREAT SHAPE. HOW AMUSING.
WEIGHTLIFTING FOR ME IS NOT FOR MY LOOKS. I AM AN UGLY SON OF A BITCH AND I HAVE A BUNCH OF SCARS. I AM NOT A PRETTY BOY, I JUST WANT TO BE STRONG.
IT IS AMUSING TO ME HOW FAT PEOPLE WANT A VALIDATION OF THEIR LIFESTYLE. THEY WANT THE MEDIA TO SAY IT IS NO BETTER AND NO WORSE TO BE A 5'4 275 POUND BLOB OF OVERINDULGENCE THAN IT IS TO BE 5'4 AND IN GREAT SHAPE. HOW AMUSING.
The thread takes a new turn...
Troll, i don't know what possibly to say to you. Well, there are two factors that held you back from losing weight correctly.
1.) Education- Which you have here.
and.
2.) Your Attitude- This is the part of you that is really holding you back i believe. You say how daunting it is for you to try to lose the weight again. That, to me, sounds like well packaged BS. There are ways to change your mentality. If you keep your goal in focus and remind yourself everyday in someway than you will succeed.
Now, i digress. You say that you can't have any connection with being slim. I don't quite understand that statement. Is it a thing where you constantly look in the mirror and are unhappy with what you see? B/c if it is than that would motivate me and it does. But bottom line is that i am making progress.
Troll, i really think that if you really aren't interested in making the necessary changes for YOURSELF than you really have no need to even be here.
About educating people, i think you see this a little differently than us...see when we educate we don't really do it for ourselves. When you educate you must be nice b/c well, you'll get fired. We, in our opinion, offer a gift that can change someones life for the better and when they fail to see this gift or reject it, this becomes very frustrating.
What it all comes down to is YOU. You do what you want. You create mental barriers and you can break them.
And you can choose whether to accept the gift or reject it.
Troll, i don't know what possibly to say to you. Well, there are two factors that held you back from losing weight correctly.
1.) Education- Which you have here.
and.
2.) Your Attitude- This is the part of you that is really holding you back i believe. You say how daunting it is for you to try to lose the weight again. That, to me, sounds like well packaged BS. There are ways to change your mentality. If you keep your goal in focus and remind yourself everyday in someway than you will succeed.
Now, i digress. You say that you can't have any connection with being slim. I don't quite understand that statement. Is it a thing where you constantly look in the mirror and are unhappy with what you see? B/c if it is than that would motivate me and it does. But bottom line is that i am making progress.
Troll, i really think that if you really aren't interested in making the necessary changes for YOURSELF than you really have no need to even be here.
About educating people, i think you see this a little differently than us...see when we educate we don't really do it for ourselves. When you educate you must be nice b/c well, you'll get fired. We, in our opinion, offer a gift that can change someones life for the better and when they fail to see this gift or reject it, this becomes very frustrating.
What it all comes down to is YOU. You do what you want. You create mental barriers and you can break them.
And you can choose whether to accept the gift or reject it.
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2 ton hoss
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BY THE WAY IS IT NOT INTERESTING HOW NEARLY EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD HAS TOLD TROLL THAT HER ATTITUDE TOWARDS WEIGHT LOSS IS A BARRIER, AND YET SHE STILL TRIES TO CLAIM THAT IT IS NOT.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Guys, let me try to explain this to you so you CAN understand it. My attitude these days is MY BEST FRIEND.
Concern about slimness, body fat, and looks HASN'T HELPED ME, *EVER.*
It HASN'T HELPED me that no matter who a person is, what else a person has done in his or her life, what kind of person they are, it's somehow less if they aren't slim. You could discover the cure for cancer, but somehow it just isn't as legitimate if you aren't the socially prescribed shape and size.
I am not going to make myself miserable by making this a "have-to-be-thin-or-else-I-will-hate-myself" goal in my life EVER AGAIN. It HASN'T HELPED me get thin!!!!!
All this self abuse HASN'T MADE ME THIN in the past TEN YEARS. Why would hating myself some more help out somehow in the future?? If I continued on this way, and it still didn't make me thin, I'd want to kill myself, and I don't want to go there. Why stick with a motivation for myself that makes me want to kill myself rather than exercise??
What we are arguing about, my friends, is what sort of attitude facilitates healthy change.
And we are arguing about: What IS healthy change?
Regarding the second question: I see some attitudes here that seem to say that Low Body Fat is the most important measure of health, and no matter what other ways your body changes, if you don't have X body fat, you might as well go out and shoot yourself, because you haven't done anything at all.
I respectfully disagree with that. And no, that doesn't mean that I believe everyone should weigh 300 lbs. It means that, even if you haven't taken off enough fat to look whatever way, if you have lost some of what you started with, intake healthier food, and put on muscle and gain stamina, you are light years better off than if you did NOTHING.
Regarding the first question: Why does motivation have to be the same for all people? People are not all the same (no matter how much certain of you might wish they were.)
When I had my heart set on being thin, I couldn't sustain ANY motivation to exercise or eat well. Nothing I did seemed good enough. I was a perpetual failure, and I WAS thin!!! I only weighed 135 lbs, and I wore a size 8! But, because my heart was set on how much body fat I had where, how I looked, and what size I wore, I was STILL, in my own mind, a complete failure as a human being. It didn't matter what other gains I made, how I did in school, what the rest of my life was like, if I didn't look what I thought was thin enough, I hated myself, I berated myself, I put myself down as mercilessly as you are now.
Please pay attention: That didn't help ME continue any sort of program at ALL. All it helped ME do was QUIT. And what happened as a result??? *points to screen name*
Now I AM eating better, and I am exercising five days a week, and I actually LIKE weights!! If all I had cared about was Losing The Fat and Becoming Thin, I WOULD HAVE QUIT BY NOW.
But that was the old me. Because I *no longer care* about this many inches and that size pants, I can focus on all the other benefits, which I *can* see, AND THAT IS WHAT KEEPS ME GOING.
If what you want is for people to exercise and eat better, WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH THE ATTITUDE THAT HAS KEPT ME GOING??? Because if I thought like you people, I would be all depressed by now, "lying on the sofa and stuffing my 'piehole.' " I would have quit, because I don't LOOK any thinner.
Instead I say to myself, "I can DO two sets of this now!! When I started I couldn't even lift the thing three times!! I can DO thirty leg lifts now!! When I started I couldn't even do three!!" And THAT keeps me *excited* and *wanting to do more,* and get better. If I continue on in this mindset, and I enjoy what I am doing, and I move up to more and more weight because I'm *proud* that *I can do it,* and I build more muscle ... Hmm, maybe it won't be such a "barrier," after all.
Don't destroy that sort of mindset by telling someone like me, "Sorry, hon. If you don't lose X body fat, NONE of it matters!!!"
(After all, if I quit AGAIN, I really would be addin' to your health insurance costs, now, wouldn't I???
)I am NOT MOTIVATED by a need/desire to lose fat and look thin. That isn't what WORKS to get me out there and keep me moving. It hasn't WORKED my entire life, and it never will. Because "I hate myself unless I am thin," really is just shorthand for "I hate myself," period.
That attitude keeps ME sad, stuck, and depressed, and that is what makes me give up on myself, lay down, and eat. Maybe it motivates you, but it doesn't motivate me.
Let me say that again. Maybe that sort of punitive mindset motivates YOU, but it doesn't motivate ME.
You are like the wife who nags her husband to do the dishes and then stands over him while he washes and critiques. If you want me to eat better, work out, and be healthier, you cannot prescribe for me how to motivate myself. I am me, I obviously think differently from you, and I have to motivate myself MY way. I know this from long and *painful* experience.
The people over at NAAFA are trying to find some sort of respect for themselves. If that is going to motivate them to take better care of themselves, maybe you shouldn't argue. After all, piddling concerns about compassion for your fellow man aside, it IS your health insurance rates ...
There are some people who are never going to take better care of themselves if told nothing but, "You're nothing if you're not THIN." If you can't get your mind around how different people motivate themselves differently, you are part of the problem.
Now.
Why else are millions of people still doin' it the same old way?? Because they already think they're doing things right. If you think you're on the program that's supposed to work, and you blame YOURSELF because it doesn't, where is the impetus to go lookin'?
I was indoctrinated into the code of Prevention Magazine when I was a CHILD. Most girls are. Children are especially vulnerable to whatever information is out there. Isn't that a good reason to clean up the messages they hear?
Hoss, you're giving people way too much credit when you say they should know better. Sadly, most people are like sheep. I guess we really should make it as hard as it can possibly be for them, put whatever will make money out there for public consumption, and oh, well, if they have problems it's all their fault. Rolleyes, .gif!!!
Is it asking too much for society to help out even a little? I am not saying that the individual bears NO responsibility at all. But do we have to make it as hard as it can possibly be??? The media could SUPPORT people in taking better care of themselves, instead of working against them at every turn.
They are???? I didn't know that. And I'm a newbie *here*. How can you expect the average lay person to know that?? They don't. They see people like Arnold, and they think that's all it's about.
I'd be interested to see what you are talking about.
I already AM motivated to continue on. I like doing it, and I like being able to do more. I don't have to look better, just feel better.
Uh, no. This is TOTALLY not the case. I haven't said much on the NAAFA board about what I am doing, but if I did, the people there would be *very* supportive of me. We don't encourage each other to remain fat and get fatter. (Well, most of us ...
) But that board is specifically for problems in daily living we all face because we're fat. Even if you *are* trying, ya ain't gonna lose a hundred pounds overnight, and what do ya do in the meantime? That's the kind of board it is. It isn't for weight loss. Some of the folks there might be in weight loss programs, I know for sure a few that are. But that isn't the purpose of that board.p0ink, I'm not even gonna reply. You did it AGAIN, and that's what brought me here in the first place. Aren't you tired of it yet??
And Virgin, there is no WAY I'm going to take hormones or resort to *surgery* like that JUST to get fat off. That shit can really mess you up if you don't know what you're doing, and sometimes even if you do! Plus I'd run the risk of losing my license and livelihood.
Surgery is something you do if you have cancer. It's something I was glad to escape because my emdometriosis, unlike thousands of other women's, doesn't warrant it. WHY THE HELL would anyone want to HAVE THEMSELVES CUT OPEN????????? Get real, bro.
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2 ton hoss
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IN THE END EACH PERSON BEARS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS. THERE MAY BE INFLUENCING FACTORS BUT THE ACTUAL DECISIONS, UNLESS THEY ARE MADE UNDER DURESS, ARE UP TO YOU AND NO ONE ELSE.
YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO TRUST THE MEDIA OR TO DISTRUST IT. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO RESEARCH ON THINGS THAT IMPACT YOUR LIFE, OR TO NOT. EVEN AS A CHILD/TEEN.
"THEY TOLD ME THE WRONG THING" --- SO? YOU BELIEVED THEM. WHAT AUTHORITY DOES THE MEDIA HAVE? IT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC. THEY TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, WHAT SELLS MORE PAPERS.
YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION - DO YOU DISAGREE WITH MY POINT THAT THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A LONG PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANT LAZINESS AND GLUTTONY FOR SOMEONE TO BE 60+ POUNDS OVERFAT. AND I DO NOT MEAN 60 POUNDS OVER KATE MOSS. I MEAN 60 POUNDS OVER A NORMAL HUMAN BEING.
Norman Bates
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
One of your board rules is not to post anything about weight loss or dieting or how to use sport to get thin.
If you posted about your diet or about how you lost fat with your diet your post would get deleted and you would get banned.
You claimed you invested so much time with dieting without success.
Didn´t you ever wonder why you didn´t have success and consult some expert on nutrition?
Or spend 5$ on some book?
Or join weight watchers?
OR did you just do that to show how hard you were working at yourself but nevertheless for some strange reason it didn´t work and you were not to blame?
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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No, it wouldn't get deleted. It isn't that you can't post ANYTHING, it's what you say and how you say it that gets you kicked.
I could share that without judgement of any other person, or any recommendations of any sort, and it'd stay up there. People who were interested could ask about it, and people who weren't don't have it shoved rudely down their throats.
Others have come in and said they lost weight, and their stuff is still there. p0ink probably didn't see their posts, because they didn't start an inflammatory fight. Coming on and saying, "I used to be X, but I did Y and now I'm Z," is well tolerated. It's just that when you come in and say, in effect, "You fat fuck," (I'm gonna start abbreviating it), and the time-honored, "I Really Think You Should Lose Some Weight," which we hear daily, that's when it gets deleted.
Here we go: (also in all caps)
MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
*I* didn't have a clue until a couple of years ago. And how did I GET a clue??? By reading more fat-friendly publications!!!!
Yeah, I did.
*points to*
And, before you even get started, that line does not erase the paragraph that came before. You know ... the one that tells WHY I quit.
*now points Hoss to*
I had a lot of success, actually. I had some trouble maintaining it, which I might not have if I had been doing different things. But I couldn't even wear pants that were too tight when I started, because they fell off me, so that is some measure of success.
My point was that *I* wasn't happy with it, because I had some ideal fixed in my mind of how I should LOOK, and I was ignoring all the other spectacular things I'd done. I was a size 8, and I was reacting to myself as if I were my present size, which is 18!!! And that is my point. If I focus on how I LOOK, I set myself up for another episode like that one.
I don't want to do THAT again.
As in, EVER.
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CoolFitChick80
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I think you are way off base on that lady wanting to lead aerobics. This would be a GREAT way for the fat people to shape up if they had bigger people leading the aerobics. I have a few overweight friends and they have said the think they dont like about gyms are the skinny people there, which is kind of funny because they are skinny BECAUSE they are there!! Maybe if they had some people more their size, they would be more apt to join and get fit!
There are fat people all around us. There are some things that are never going to change. Why not just live your life and they will live theirs. They make their choices and we make ours. NO reason to get mad or angry. You wont be able to change anything. They are on that board because they want to be. We are on this board because WE want to be. No amount of flaming or rudness is going to change their attitudes. Neither is them coming to our board
Really, just let it go, its not even worth talking about. One day maybe they will wake up and realize that they are killing themselves. They eat loads and dont exercise becuase the like it. I eat healthy, and am never hungry, and workout hours a day because I like it. Two different lives, two different lifestyles.
Let it be......
There are fat people all around us. There are some things that are never going to change. Why not just live your life and they will live theirs. They make their choices and we make ours. NO reason to get mad or angry. You wont be able to change anything. They are on that board because they want to be. We are on this board because WE want to be. No amount of flaming or rudness is going to change their attitudes. Neither is them coming to our board
Really, just let it go, its not even worth talking about. One day maybe they will wake up and realize that they are killing themselves. They eat loads and dont exercise becuase the like it. I eat healthy, and am never hungry, and workout hours a day because I like it. Two different lives, two different lifestyles.
Let it be......
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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One of the reasons I HATED aerobics was the thin teachers with beautiful bodies that even after a whole school year of aerobics classes I never got *even one inch closer* to looking like.
Constantly comparing yourself to someone else and finding yourself wanting, especially when you are doing the *same* exercise, makes a lot of larger people discouraged and wanting to quit.
If larger people offered classes, it would encourage larger people TO GET STARTED. Then, if they got to like the classes and wanted to move up to harder classes later, they might be inspired to. But if they never get their foot in the door this will never happen, will it? Some of us look at this thin little will-o'-the-wisp teacher and think: How the hell am I ever gonna keep up with HER?
We have a larger instructor in our gym who really seems to give the ladies a workout. I wouldn't say she is "fat" exactly. She has more body fat than your average aerobics instructor, but she doesn't look "flabby." She is really tall and sturdy looking. She has all shapes and sizes in her class, and I think what is important is that they are all there, working out.
I agree with that one, girlfriend. It is hard not to with attitudes like this tho. I am working on it. But I must respectfully say that:
is a stereotype and not true in every case.
Not every fat person eats and eats and eats. There are some who eat about what any "normal" person eats. I think the difference may be in how they got fat to begin with ... just an opinion however.
And there are fat people who exercise.
Please don't just look at someone and think you know all about what they eat and how they live. It really isn't true in every case.
And we are so, sooo sick of the "YFF" attitude that results.
Well, here is something that i am sure many MANY people on this board have heard and i think this could apply to you as well.
Make a goal an ideal for YOURSELF!
This is the key...don't pick something you can't attain because than you are simply picking the wrong dream. Not all people have the genetic disposition to get on Men's Health Magazine or to look like Heidi Klum. Make goals that you can ATTAIN and this will keep you happy about the changes you have made.
Make a goal an ideal for YOURSELF!
This is the key...don't pick something you can't attain because than you are simply picking the wrong dream. Not all people have the genetic disposition to get on Men's Health Magazine or to look like Heidi Klum. Make goals that you can ATTAIN and this will keep you happy about the changes you have made.
satanic goatslayer
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Fat people smell funny* when you roast them on a spit.
* - funny as in the kind of laugh emitted when you see a man being thrown into a grinder while alive.
Turpentine.
* - funny as in the kind of laugh emitted when you see a man being thrown into a grinder while alive.
Turpentine.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Sebass: Gotcha!!!
Goatslayer: I don't know, but from THAT remark, I suspect you smell "funny" all the time.
Goatslayer: I don't know, but from THAT remark, I suspect you smell "funny" all the time.
Steroid_Virgin
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will this stupid thread ever die?? 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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then quit replyin' to it!
LOL!
LOL!
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Well, mean, narrow minded people make me sick ... so we're even.
Magnus T Rico
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
Sebass is right. Make a goal that says something along the lines of "The best body for me". Don't compare yourself to Miss Thang teaching aerobics. What she did may or may not work for you. I don't give a damn what the other guys look like. I ain't building my body for them. I am building it for myself. I train differently from them because I want MY BEST BODY FOR ME. Sure a good deal of them live in the gym, training one part a day. That works for them. It won't get me in line for tickets for the next "Redeye" flight, because I don't won't to look like Arnold, Ronnie, or Gunter. I want to look like me.
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2 ton hoss
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BUMP!!
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Yeah, that is what I am attempting. It doesn't do me any good to try to look the way someone else insists I must look. That only leads to dissatisfaction and quitting. Frankly, if I can do the work I don't care how it looks. A body that can lift 10X more than it did six months ago is a body that can lift 10X what it did six months ago!!
But, as I am starting out with al dente pasta as opposed to any muscle, who knows what the final product will look like!
*gets butt back to gym*
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2 ton hoss
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THIS IS A QUOTE FROM THE FAT BOARD.
NOW THIS REALLY ANGERS ME. IT IS TOTALLY CLEAR TO ME WHY SHE DID NOT LOSE WEIGHT. YOU EAT THAT LITTLE, YOUR BODY GOES INTO STARVATION MODE - YOUR METABOLIC RATE PLUNGES. NOT TO MENTION THERE'S VERY LITTLE PROTEIN IN THAT DIET, TOFU HAS SOME, BUT IT IS NOT COMPLETE PROTEIN. AND SHE DID NOT SAY, BUT I DOUBT SHE WAS EXERCISING AT ALL, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST DOING SITTING LEG RAISES IN FRONT OF THE TELLY. IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY SHE LOST SOME MUSCLE AND GAINED WATER WEIGHT.
I SHOULD REGISTER AND POST THERE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO REPLY TO THIS POST PLEASE DO IT, IT'S IN THE "NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF WEIGHT LOSS" THREAD IN THE GENERAL BOARD. JUST GO THERE, BE POLITE, AND POINT OUT THAT YOU DO NOT LOSE WEIGHT EFFECTIVELY BY DOING NO EXERCISE AND STARVING YOURSELF (BUT NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB, IF YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF STARVING YOURSELF, I.E. EATING NOTHING, YOU WOULD LOSE WEIGHT WONDERFULLY)
YOU KNOW I AM WILLING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE TIME THESE FAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO LOSE SOME FAT AND MUSCLE IN THEIR DIETS BUT PROBABLY GAIN IN WATER WEIGHT SINCE THEY ARE NOT EATING CORRECTLY. I MEAN WHEN YOU WEIGH 900 POUNDS, 30 POUNDS OF WATER IS NOTHING. THEN THEY GET FRUSTRATED AND QUIT.
NOW THIS REALLY ANGERS ME. IT IS TOTALLY CLEAR TO ME WHY SHE DID NOT LOSE WEIGHT. YOU EAT THAT LITTLE, YOUR BODY GOES INTO STARVATION MODE - YOUR METABOLIC RATE PLUNGES. NOT TO MENTION THERE'S VERY LITTLE PROTEIN IN THAT DIET, TOFU HAS SOME, BUT IT IS NOT COMPLETE PROTEIN. AND SHE DID NOT SAY, BUT I DOUBT SHE WAS EXERCISING AT ALL, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST DOING SITTING LEG RAISES IN FRONT OF THE TELLY. IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY SHE LOST SOME MUSCLE AND GAINED WATER WEIGHT.
I SHOULD REGISTER AND POST THERE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO REPLY TO THIS POST PLEASE DO IT, IT'S IN THE "NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF WEIGHT LOSS" THREAD IN THE GENERAL BOARD. JUST GO THERE, BE POLITE, AND POINT OUT THAT YOU DO NOT LOSE WEIGHT EFFECTIVELY BY DOING NO EXERCISE AND STARVING YOURSELF (BUT NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB, IF YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF STARVING YOURSELF, I.E. EATING NOTHING, YOU WOULD LOSE WEIGHT WONDERFULLY)
YOU KNOW I AM WILLING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE TIME THESE FAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO LOSE SOME FAT AND MUSCLE IN THEIR DIETS BUT PROBABLY GAIN IN WATER WEIGHT SINCE THEY ARE NOT EATING CORRECTLY. I MEAN WHEN YOU WEIGH 900 POUNDS, 30 POUNDS OF WATER IS NOTHING. THEN THEY GET FRUSTRATED AND QUIT.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I'm sure if you have advice about healthier ways of eating we would all appreciate it over there. Just be respectful and don't cram "X percent body fat" down people's throats, and we're happy to have folks there.
There's another thread about nutrition bars, if you know anything about them .... (we don't!)
We have a few formerly fat people who post there. As long as they aren't rude and judgemental, it's cool.
[EDIT] Now that I have gone and read it, it doesn't sound as if this person starved herself by choice. Some people with gall bladder problems have pain *whenever* they eat, and can only eat certain foods. My mother had this problem for a while, thankfully it went away without surgery, as they don't have health insurance!
I think she means that she was sort of forced onto a "diet" by her gallbladder, and is shocked that she didn't lose weight eating as little as she did.
From what I read here, there are good reasons. If you want to post about them, please do, but try to avoid a "YOU MUST LOSE BODY FAT" slant. Folks are a little spooked about trolls over there now. If you show people you really are respectful of their situation and truly want to share expertise (without that l-o-n-g look down the nose), most folks there will be interested. Not all, but most.
There's another thread about nutrition bars, if you know anything about them .... (we don't!)
We have a few formerly fat people who post there. As long as they aren't rude and judgemental, it's cool.
[EDIT] Now that I have gone and read it, it doesn't sound as if this person starved herself by choice. Some people with gall bladder problems have pain *whenever* they eat, and can only eat certain foods. My mother had this problem for a while, thankfully it went away without surgery, as they don't have health insurance!
I think she means that she was sort of forced onto a "diet" by her gallbladder, and is shocked that she didn't lose weight eating as little as she did.
From what I read here, there are good reasons. If you want to post about them, please do, but try to avoid a "YOU MUST LOSE BODY FAT" slant. Folks are a little spooked about trolls over there now. If you show people you really are respectful of their situation and truly want to share expertise (without that l-o-n-g look down the nose), most folks there will be interested. Not all, but most.
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jennifer BFL chick
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
Maybe I will stop by and say hi then........
I was never OBESE, but I did tip the scales at 205, so I know how you can lose control and gain weight. I gained over 70 pounds in 2 years, but great nutrition and kicking my ass in the gym has gotten me in good shape. It takes time, and it takes patience. Alot of people are not willing to invest what it takes. And I DON'T have a body type that loses fat easy.
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I saw your pics, you have really worked hard!!!
Let me just say, for anyone thinking of posting over there:
There is a rule against advocating any kind of "diet" or weight loss because people there have been ostracized for their weight, some of them all their lives, and want a safe place away from the YFF attitude. (That stands for You Fat Fuck, or perhaps You Fat Fuck-up.)
But I have found that people who post without that attidude are generally well received. If you said, for example, "Here's what I did ... " without any value judgement about the character of those who don't do the same, or any value judgement about looks, or The Holy Grail Of Losing Body Fat, a few folks may get interested and want to ask you questions.
I just bought the BFL book myself. Actually I was reading my bf's a year ago, but the reason it didn't inspire me then was because the pictures made me feel incredibly bad about myself. I couldn't believe anyone could do that in three months, much less me, and I knew if I failed to look like that AGAIN in my life I'd just be crushed. It was actually UN-motivating at that point in my life.
I find that the book, while it does offer sound advice, is very look-ist and weight-ist. Statements like: "I firmly believe that a strong, healthy mind resides in a strong, healthy body. That, my friends, is a fact. When I see men and women who are out of shape, I see lives not fully lived. I see lost potential," discount the kind of progress I have made in my life that has nothing to do with the body.
I used to be a very emotionally messed up person. When I was thin and ran at least 20 miles a week, I was a weak, co-dependent female who developed obsessive "crushes" on men that were very self-destructive to me. I took jobs in which I was poorly treated and poorly paid, ones that were even more damaging to my self-esteem, because I didn't think I was worth any better. My life has undergone a lot of changes for the better and I am 200% more whole and healthy emotionally than I ever was. I also gained weight during this time.
Do I believe I was better off when I was almost suicidal over some guy because my body was in better shape?? No. My body was in OK shape, but my mind was in la-la land, and I was a MESS.
So body size and shape isn't the whole story.
I'm ready to work on my body now, but I'm going to filter out all the messages in that book that say fat people are somehow less/sick in mind. My life is 200% better even though I gained weight, and if my mind/heart/life HADN'T gotten better, I still wouldn't be able to take better care of my body!!!
Let me just say, for anyone thinking of posting over there:
There is a rule against advocating any kind of "diet" or weight loss because people there have been ostracized for their weight, some of them all their lives, and want a safe place away from the YFF attitude. (That stands for You Fat Fuck, or perhaps You Fat Fuck-up.)
But I have found that people who post without that attidude are generally well received. If you said, for example, "Here's what I did ... " without any value judgement about the character of those who don't do the same, or any value judgement about looks, or The Holy Grail Of Losing Body Fat, a few folks may get interested and want to ask you questions.
I just bought the BFL book myself. Actually I was reading my bf's a year ago, but the reason it didn't inspire me then was because the pictures made me feel incredibly bad about myself. I couldn't believe anyone could do that in three months, much less me, and I knew if I failed to look like that AGAIN in my life I'd just be crushed. It was actually UN-motivating at that point in my life.
I find that the book, while it does offer sound advice, is very look-ist and weight-ist. Statements like: "I firmly believe that a strong, healthy mind resides in a strong, healthy body. That, my friends, is a fact. When I see men and women who are out of shape, I see lives not fully lived. I see lost potential," discount the kind of progress I have made in my life that has nothing to do with the body.
I used to be a very emotionally messed up person. When I was thin and ran at least 20 miles a week, I was a weak, co-dependent female who developed obsessive "crushes" on men that were very self-destructive to me. I took jobs in which I was poorly treated and poorly paid, ones that were even more damaging to my self-esteem, because I didn't think I was worth any better. My life has undergone a lot of changes for the better and I am 200% more whole and healthy emotionally than I ever was. I also gained weight during this time.
Do I believe I was better off when I was almost suicidal over some guy because my body was in better shape?? No. My body was in OK shape, but my mind was in la-la land, and I was a MESS.
So body size and shape isn't the whole story.
I'm ready to work on my body now, but I'm going to filter out all the messages in that book that say fat people are somehow less/sick in mind. My life is 200% better even though I gained weight, and if my mind/heart/life HADN'T gotten better, I still wouldn't be able to take better care of my body!!!
jennifer BFL chick
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Thankyou, I have worked very hard
I agree with you 100% that being "thin" or lean for that matter, dosn't make you a happy or "better" person. The problem I personally see, is that alot of people reach a "perfect" body, but they are unhealthy, which typically equals unhappy.
When you are unhappy, its very hard to keep doing what your doing day in and day out----thus, people gain the weight/fat back.
This is why I'm so glad I'm actually HEALTHY now, and have truly changed my lifestyle.
I would never tell anyone that they have to lose weight to be happy, or that they should do exactly what I did to get in shape. Every person is different, but I do feel that I have some knowledge I could share with anyone interested. I'm not an "expert" but I have lived in a fat body, and now I'm in a strong healthy one.
I agree with you 100% that being "thin" or lean for that matter, dosn't make you a happy or "better" person. The problem I personally see, is that alot of people reach a "perfect" body, but they are unhealthy, which typically equals unhappy.
When you are unhappy, its very hard to keep doing what your doing day in and day out----thus, people gain the weight/fat back.
This is why I'm so glad I'm actually HEALTHY now, and have truly changed my lifestyle.
I would never tell anyone that they have to lose weight to be happy, or that they should do exactly what I did to get in shape. Every person is different, but I do feel that I have some knowledge I could share with anyone interested. I'm not an "expert" but I have lived in a fat body, and now I'm in a strong healthy one.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Boy, ya got that one right!!! That is one of the things that happened to me ...
At this point, I'd settle for the strong body, with or without fat. It's nice to be able to carry your own groceries and not have backaches all the time!!!
Congratulations on all the hard work you have done. I'm glad things are going so well for you!!!
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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FYI
I posted over there that y'all might be coming over, and here's what someone had to say:
I would welcome anyone who wants to participate in this board that has input to offer in a positive, encouraging, compassionate manner. It's very difficult for two groups of people who are poles apart in their beliefs to find common ground.
I would ask that the people from BOTH Elite and our board, consider what you're saying before you type it. Question yourself before you click on submit - Am I acting superior? Am I being insulting? Am I positively influencing this discussion? Am I following the rules of the board? Would I speak this way to my own child, a cherished loved one, or family member who is right in front of me, face to face?
Before we assume it's an offensive post, ask questions and wait for clarification. Sometimes, what you understand it to be, isn't what the person meant. Then, if you still feel the person is being an a******, then go for it! The moderators can deal with it, I guess.
The main bone of contention - WEIGHT LOSS. I would most certainly welcome constructive input on how different foods chemically affect my body and make my body behave better, or worse. But, to adjust my eating for the goal of weight loss or discussion of that goal, is not what this board is about, or at least that's what I'm understanding. That's why I'm here and not a member at Elite.
Let's all accept that we disagree on this issue. Disagreeing about an issue doesn't mean hostility has to be involved. I would no more call any of the people over at elite "dumb jock" or profane nicknames because they believe in something totally different than I. I have nothing but admiration for a person who has the discipline, focus, and the genetics to be what they are, but please don't call me YFF because I don't do exactly the same thing. Everyone is different. The word is diversity. And, we just might find, that in contributing to civil, joint discussions that we'll have found the common ground.
I agree LL, they do have some very valuable information to share and so do we. And, maybe, just maybe, in listening to some of their input, I'll find ways to seek the expertise of a fitness professional and get around being frightened to walk into a health club and work out.
So, ladies and gentlemen come on over! I'd like to hear from you Oh, and one last thing. Do me a really big favor....... Please, please, don't misunderstand this, Hoss, if you stop by please, COULD YOU TURN DOWN THE VOLUME? My ears are still ringing from your posts over at Elite. I may end up needing hearing aids !
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I can agree wholeheartedly about sometimes what you think the other person said isn't what they meant. That is happening ALL THE TIME between that board and this one and makes people needlessly pissed at each other.
I posted over there that y'all might be coming over, and here's what someone had to say:
I would welcome anyone who wants to participate in this board that has input to offer in a positive, encouraging, compassionate manner. It's very difficult for two groups of people who are poles apart in their beliefs to find common ground.
I would ask that the people from BOTH Elite and our board, consider what you're saying before you type it. Question yourself before you click on submit - Am I acting superior? Am I being insulting? Am I positively influencing this discussion? Am I following the rules of the board? Would I speak this way to my own child, a cherished loved one, or family member who is right in front of me, face to face?
Before we assume it's an offensive post, ask questions and wait for clarification. Sometimes, what you understand it to be, isn't what the person meant. Then, if you still feel the person is being an a******, then go for it! The moderators can deal with it, I guess.
The main bone of contention - WEIGHT LOSS. I would most certainly welcome constructive input on how different foods chemically affect my body and make my body behave better, or worse. But, to adjust my eating for the goal of weight loss or discussion of that goal, is not what this board is about, or at least that's what I'm understanding. That's why I'm here and not a member at Elite.
Let's all accept that we disagree on this issue. Disagreeing about an issue doesn't mean hostility has to be involved. I would no more call any of the people over at elite "dumb jock" or profane nicknames because they believe in something totally different than I. I have nothing but admiration for a person who has the discipline, focus, and the genetics to be what they are, but please don't call me YFF because I don't do exactly the same thing. Everyone is different. The word is diversity. And, we just might find, that in contributing to civil, joint discussions that we'll have found the common ground.
I agree LL, they do have some very valuable information to share and so do we. And, maybe, just maybe, in listening to some of their input, I'll find ways to seek the expertise of a fitness professional and get around being frightened to walk into a health club and work out.
So, ladies and gentlemen come on over! I'd like to hear from you Oh, and one last thing. Do me a really big favor....... Please, please, don't misunderstand this, Hoss, if you stop by please, COULD YOU TURN DOWN THE VOLUME? My ears are still ringing from your posts over at Elite. I may end up needing hearing aids
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I can agree wholeheartedly about sometimes what you think the other person said isn't what they meant. That is happening ALL THE TIME between that board and this one and makes people needlessly pissed at each other.
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2 ton hoss
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OK I WILL TURN IT DOWN just for you Troll
I have a rough work week coming up but I may drop by, look for me I will be on my best behavior.
I have a rough work week coming up but I may drop by, look for me I will be on my best behavior.
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2 ton hoss
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WELL TROLL I WENT AND POSTED THERE, I TRIED NOT TO ADVOCATE LOSING WEIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IN FACT I PHRASED MOST OF IT LIKE "WHEN WEIGHTLIFTERS WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT, THEY..." SO MAYBE IT DOESN'T QUITE PUT PEOPLE ON THE SPOT.
LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!!
AND P.S. I TYPED IN REGULAR LETTERS
LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!!
AND P.S. I TYPED IN REGULAR LETTERS
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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sorry, I was unexpectedly out of town for 4 days.
I'll post back when I can get there to read ...
Thanx!!
I'll post back when I can get there to read ...
Thanx!!
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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I thought it was a good post, Hoss, and informative as well. I don't think anyone was offended.
Did anyone email you who said they would??
Did anyone email you who said they would??
Robert Jan
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obesity is more a mental than a physical problem. the key is to learn not to associate food with any feelings. you eat cuz you gotta, for no other reason. I dont even want to eat anything now. hell, it just costs money and time. if i didn`t need to to stay alive or to reach my bb goals id eat nothing at all.
ive been there i was over 45% bf once now im like 15. did i do anything radical? no.
in fact what happened is i got all mad about basketball and played it for a while like every day, and i just ate a normal, clean standard diet like 3 meals a day with about 33/33/33 macros.
after that i got into bb and started to manipulate my diet making it like 6 meals and playing with the macros and gaining lbm and losing bf. its not that hard in theory its just the mentality the lifestyle that needs changing.
ive been there i was over 45% bf once now im like 15. did i do anything radical? no.
in fact what happened is i got all mad about basketball and played it for a while like every day, and i just ate a normal, clean standard diet like 3 meals a day with about 33/33/33 macros.
after that i got into bb and started to manipulate my diet making it like 6 meals and playing with the macros and gaining lbm and losing bf. its not that hard in theory its just the mentality the lifestyle that needs changing.
Robert Jan
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food is a fucking tool not a fucking toy or comfort or whatever. anybody can lose weight the ones for whom its hard are the ones who made foolish dieting attempts before with far too great calorie deficits which shut down their metabolism.
if people were some more informed this shit wouldn`t happen.
if people were some more informed this shit wouldn`t happen.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Yeah ... I'm beginning to appreciate that now ... about 70 lbs and ten years too late!!!!
I think it is too bad there is only one BFL book to compete with thousands of magazine articles and many books that espouse the other way.
You guys oughta write a book.
I think it is too bad there is only one BFL book to compete with thousands of magazine articles and many books that espouse the other way.
You guys oughta write a book.
Rockafella Skank
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Breathe easy, everyone. We're at DEFCON 1.
ATFTFB: What's the URL to the Fat Board? I want to witness the Elite-Fat Summit. If only it were at Camp David.
ATFTFB: What's the URL to the Fat Board? I want to witness the Elite-Fat Summit. If only it were at Camp David.
p0ink
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it's at www.naafa.org
scroll down and look on the ledt side till you see 'supersize' etc. click on that, and it will take you to the board. they have many different forums like elite though.
scroll down and look on the ledt side till you see 'supersize' etc. click on that, and it will take you to the board. they have many different forums like elite though.
Norman Bates
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I wanted to read the threads on NAAFA, so typed pOinks username into their FSE and the stupid thing was searching 6 minutes. That´s about the worst FSE i have ever used.
p0ink
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im a topic of some of their conversations over there. they say im a real awful/mean/horrible/tasteless/stupid/gay/whatever asshole who is 'afraid' of coping with my own 'issues' of being fat. look at my avatar, do i look like a person dealing with being fat? the majority of those people over there are complete and utter morons. like this one lady who claims to be a personal trainer/psychologist and was able to 'diagnose' me as struggling with my own 'fat issues' as well. seriously, people like that need to go shoot themselves.
Norman Bates
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Can someone say the name of the forum on naafa in which the other EF members posted?
Norman Bates
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If you believed everything people wrote, average people here have an IQ of at least 135 , are Mensa Members and earn
100 000$ (at least) per year.
But if people feel attacked they try to fire back, so why are you surprised?
100 000$ (at least) per year.
But if people feel attacked they try to fire back, so why are you surprised?
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