The FAT Chronicles

[mistyp]

You sure showed me.

A toast to you, oh God of bodybuilding. You've certainly put me in my place. I felt quite put down and ashamed of myself.

I imagine, Oinker, that you're rushing to the computer, dick in hand, to see if I've responded, so I'll oblige you. I imagine this little tete a tete has gotten you more aroused than you've been in quite a while, other than what you get by surfing the web for pictures of overweight people to mock.

You are right about one thing; it was incorrect, and unethical, to throw terms at you without meeting you in person, and I retract it.

Now having said that, if you are as intelligent as YOU claim to be, and are as dedicated to your health as a "pro" should be, then you have undoubtedly read the research that abounds in JAMA, J.Clin.Nut, J.Cardiology, etc., and know that the vegan diet is healthy. You've perused the research that concluded indicate that people with cholestrol under 150 simply never have heart attacks, and that diets too high in protein for extended periods may cause calcium to be leached from the bones.

I consume protein from seitan, TVP, and legumes to provide me with more than enough; I track it daily. I occasionally supplement with Met-rx Soy. I am within my ideal weight, have cholestrol level of 130, and a coronary risk ratio of 2.65.

I am not a master's student; I have a master's degree. I am currently employed as a mathematics instructor, working on my Ph.D. in educational psychology with an emphasis in research design and statistics, as well as pursuing licensure in educational diagnosis.

My husband, while fondling my nice, firm ass and size 38D tits, was quite amused to know that somebody, somewhere, thought that I was sweaty and huge. He would like to correct you in that I am occasionally sweaty, but only in the most pleasant way and for the most pleasing results. Oh, and he doesn't lift me out of the tub, he joins me in the shower.

And, I vote independent, as those with independent minds should.

Have a nice day.

(Ugh, get a tissue and clean that up.)

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

mistyp.. what did oinker do to piss you off?

hey oinker, are you going to let this bitch come into your house and diss you like this.. holy shit man have some respect for youself.. she just ripped you a new ass...

Hahahahah

I love this shit..

Fatty vs. Oinker...

Fatty 1
Oinker 0

 

[mistyp]

Hmm, "Fatty". I like that.

I like that. Maybe I'll embrace "fatty" as my new nickname. Fatty, Hey, that's MRS. Fatty to you. Mrs. Fatty, Dr. Fatty.

I like it.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

hey fatty whats your name on the fat people board?

 

[mistyp]

??

I don't post on any "fat people boards". I found this thread because I've been thinking about becoming a part-time personal trainer at some point in the future, and working with difficult people. My ideas were either working with the elderly or the overweight. I've been reading different message boards to learn what they think about, and what their concerns are, so that I can work with them better. And, like I said before, it pissed me off. I really believe that if we want to win people over to health and fitness, it's easier if they don't see us as the enemy.

Regards,
"Fatty"

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

Ok fatty... thats cool... I just think it's funny you are busting on p0ink.. he can really be a jackass... but look, you know what you really shouldn't take this seriously.. there are other boards here where you can have a "real" disscussion on weight loss... there are plenty of people here are are EXPERTS on it... you just found the wrong place to stop.. check out the dieting board...

That being said... you are doing nothing but fueling the fire on this thread.. you are becoming a laughing stock.. now go away

 

[mistyp]

thanks for the suggestion. I'll pass it on to someone who needs it and gives a shit.

You know, first I found this board because of a link of some support board for overweight people. Then I kind of got interested in it because it was a fitness board, and I am an amateur bodybuilder. I don't claim to have any expertise there, because I've been at it for less than a year. But even in other threads, in most of the Elite area, I've seen an enormous amount of hostility and hatred. Not what I expect from people who are into health and fitness, and it kind of pisses me off because it's exactly what a lot of people think of us: that we're vain, narcissistic, and mean. Maybe it's the testosterone overload. Maybe it's too many steroids. I don't know.

Meanwhile, I've found some natural bodybuilding sites that are much more helpful, positive, and friendly. So I'm signing off. since I'm the "laughing stock here", anyway, I don't imagine that anyone will mind. So I'll leave some last words of support and envouragement for Oinker, and maybe for you, Steroid Virgin.

First of all, "tough guys", Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Today is the first day of the rest of your life, you know. You can put that fried chicken down, get up out of that vinyl lazy-boy, and make your way down the two or three steps that lead to the door of your single-wide trailer. Knock the cobwebs off those barbells you've got rusting in the yard--next to the primer-painted Dodge Dart without a motor that you swear will be a showpiece some day.

We'll be cheering you on; after all, we're all your friends and we want to see you succeed. Who knows? Maybe you'll even pass the GED the second time around. Then you can finish that correspondance course in being a veterinary assistance that's been plaguing you.

cheers, and farewell

"fatty"

 

[p0ink]

i'm not going to continue throwing gasoline on the flames in this thread, because you are getting me a bit off topic. this thread was to talk about how beats live, eat, and fuck; not to discuss you being in your 'ideal height and weight range' (this really makes me think you are fat because you keep stressing this point repeatedly...) But i will put my money where my mouth is and put up some pics this weekend. Will you be able to do the same miss 'vegan bodybuilder'?

Better go edit those posts off of NAAFA before you wind up getting exposed for the fat sloth you really are.

BTW, I don't have my GED nor do I plan on getting it since i am already majoring in pharmacy...

 

[PlateheadJim]

thanks for the suggestion. I'll pass it on to someone who needs it and gives a shit.

You know, first I found this board because of a link of some support board for overweight people. Then I kind of got interested in it because it was a fitness board, and I am an amateur bodybuilder. I don't claim to have any expertise there, because I've been at it for less than a year. But even in other threads, in most of the Elite area, I've seen an enormous amount of hostility and hatred. Not what I expect from people who are into health and fitness, and it kind of pisses me off because it's exactly what a lot of people think of us: that we're vain, narcissistic, and mean. Maybe it's the testosterone overload. Maybe it's too many steroids. I don't know.

Meanwhile, I've found some natural bodybuilding sites that are much more helpful, positive, and friendly. So I'm signing off. since I'm the "laughing stock here", anyway, I don't imagine that anyone will mind. So I'll leave some last words of support and envouragement for Oinker, and maybe for you, Steroid Virgin.

First of all, "tough guys", Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Today is the first day of the rest of your life, you know. You can put that fried chicken down, get up out of that vinyl lazy-boy, and make your way down the two or three steps that lead to the door of your single-wide trailer. Knock the cobwebs off those barbells you've got rusting in the yard--next to the primer-painted Dodge Dart without a motor that you swear will be a showpiece some day.

We'll be cheering you on; after all, we're all your friends and we want to see you succeed. Who knows? Maybe you'll even pass the GED the second time around. Then you can finish that correspondance course in being a veterinary assistance that's been plaguing you.

cheers, and farewell

"fatty"

Let's see, how do I begin.. Oh, your an amateur body builder and this site with all it's naughty language offended you? Or is it the in your face style that has made Elite what it is? There are plenty of boards out there for sensitive little boys like yourself - Check out MSN where all the naughty language and topics aren't allowed on "Body Building for Little Boys" boards.

Perhaps when your a man you might want to come back to Elite and let everyone know you have grown balls.

PS: Tell your wife hi for me - she'll appreciate it!

 

[The Shadow]

OMG. i know i shouldn't laugh at this, but i can't help it

http://www.naafa.org/discussion/Forum1/HTML/000425.html

posted 04-02-2002 09:55 PM
those people on elite are really awful. there is this guy named cornholio that says he hates fat people more than terminally ill retarded children. oh why is the world so cruel




Incidentally, isn't cornholio open to the idea that obesity can be caused by metabolism & genetics rather than lifestyle? he made a post about that once.

LOL!!

Must be a different person. Not me.

 

[Sebass67]

This is an example of the problem with people that are grossly overweight.

"Don't be so hard on yourself. I am not the most popular person but I have to live life the way I do. I am only 15, 5' 7", 290lb and my weight problem is only part of what people don't like about me. It doesn't matter what I do, I can't make friends.
I live my life the way I do and if I can;t change it nobody can."

That last line irks me alot.
So she is saying she can't change it...fucking slob 15 year olf..
WTF are her parents thinking.

Too many parents put their kids on diets when they only need a sport to play.

 

[p0ink]

can we go back to swearing at each other all day long like the fat people say we do

 

[Sebass67]

F$%#$ A$%^ SH$#~~~!!!

 

[Zirakzigil]

Aw shit she left? this thread was great!!

Well this will lure her back:

here fatty fatty fatty

 

[Norman Bates]

I´m dieting... you are so mean stop posting pics like that

 

[Zirakzigil]

 

[Norman Bates]

OK, that will help keeping up my morale

 

[Zirakzigil]

Lets compile a list of the reasons itd be GOOD to be fat.

1) no one sits next to u on the bus
2) u can drink your lithe buddies under the table
3) you always travel with the sound of laughter (lauging at you)
4) you become good at oral sex

 

[p0ink]

thanks for the suggestion. I'll pass it on to someone who needs it and gives a shit.

You know, first I found this board because of a link of some support board for overweight people. Then I kind of got interested in it because it was a fitness board, and I am an amateur bodybuilder. I don't claim to have any expertise there, because I've been at it for less than a year. But even in other threads, in most of the Elite area, I've seen an enormous amount of hostility and hatred. Not what I expect from people who are into health and fitness, and it kind of pisses me off because it's exactly what a lot of people think of us: that we're vain, narcissistic, and mean. Maybe it's the testosterone overload. Maybe it's too many steroids. I don't know.

Meanwhile, I've found some natural bodybuilding sites that are much more helpful, positive, and friendly. So I'm signing off. since I'm the "laughing stock here", anyway, I don't imagine that anyone will mind. So I'll leave some last words of support and envouragement for Oinker, and maybe for you, Steroid Virgin.

First of all, "tough guys", Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Today is the first day of the rest of your life, you know. You can put that fried chicken down, get up out of that vinyl lazy-boy, and make your way down the two or three steps that lead to the door of your single-wide trailer. Knock the cobwebs off those barbells you've got rusting in the yard--next to the primer-painted Dodge Dart without a motor that you swear will be a showpiece some day.

We'll be cheering you on; after all, we're all your friends and we want to see you succeed. Who knows? Maybe you'll even pass the GED the second time around. Then you can finish that correspondance course in being a veterinary assistance that's been plaguing you.

cheers, and farewell

"fatty"

NooOooooOoOoooo! Don't go! I need some new jack off material. I have a real fetish for 'vegan bodybuilders' that proudly and repeatedly state they 'are at the ideal weight for their height.' Somehow I'm just not getting the full picture here. A 'woman' that says she is thin and a 'bodybuilder' but yet comes from a morbidly obese mother, posts at a fat support group, defends them, exclaims typical fat rhetoric on how to lose weight, a math teacher (how many of your math teachers were hot?!), claims to be thin and a 36D (how does that work out, especially after having children?) and still goes on to talk about the hot sweaty, pig sex her and her busband have. Maybe, i just don't get it though.

But if you are leaving for a better 'natural' 'bodybuilding' site, I am happy. You can tell them all about the vast benefits of exerball, richard simmons, adult sized hippity-hops, and consuming 10lbs of legumes a day.

 

[Zirakzigil]

 

[kamae]

Lets compile a list of the reasons itd be GOOD to be fat.

1) no one sits next to u on the bus
2) u can drink your lithe buddies under the table
3) you always travel with the sound of laughter (lauging at you)
4) you become good at oral sex

Haa haaa @ #4 THAT shit was funny lmfao

 

[p0ink]

This was 2 posts from the administrator of that site. Need I say more?
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Posts advocating weight loss are not allowed, nor are posts that are openly insulting to fat people. All such posts will be removed. "Used To Be You"'s posts were both, and were thusly removed. If you want to read those kinds of posts, kindly avail yourselves of the Weight Watchers or Elite Fitness discussion forums. Such posts will not be allowed on NAAFA's boards.

Thanks, Therese. Yes, the post was too harsh. The comment about Spandex or whatever it was was what cinched it for me. I refuse to allow those sort of commments on the board, and I have a hard time believing anyone who would make comments like that has any interest in bringing anything positive to these forums. Thanks for understanding.
As for advocating weight loss--no, it's not allowed by ANYONE, not even regular posters. IMO, it's OK for you to mention your own weight loss, for example "I've made x lifestyle changes and I've actually lost weight", or "I'm hoping to lose weight to improve my mobility", etc. But you should never suggest to another person on these boards that they should think about losing weight. Kristie, does this outline your thinking on the subject as well?

Toodles, no, your post won't be deleted, because it's not against any rule, silly or not. Again, if you want to talk about weight loss, go elsewhere. NAAFA's exercise boards are for the discussion of movement for better health or fun. If you think the rules of the board are silly, you're more than welcome to frequent weight loss boards to get the sort of discussion you're interested in. Advocating weight loss is not allowed on NAAFA's boards.

 

[Gorlim]

Wow those fat people are pathetic.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Hi there, p0ink.

Thanks so much for taking quotes off our board out of context, altering some of them, and reposting them here.

I have only one question for all of you buff bods out there.

Why, exactly, do you people hate fat people so much?

For most of you, the longest contact you have with anyone fat is looking at one of us in public for, say, five to ten minutes. I'm sure you don't know anyone fat, because if you identified this particular physical characteristic with anyone you cared about, you might feel differently to hear someone you knew and liked or even loved being spoken to in the manner I've observed here.

What, exactly, do fat people do to you to justify all this vitriol?

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

I did lose weight once.

And you know what??? I was MISERABLE!!!

I was miserable because I was so busy comparing myself to what everyone ELSE said I "should" be. I was so busy telling myself that unless I wore a size 6 I was nothing ... unless my body looked like the beautiful models in Glamour I just would never be a good enough person, and that no matter who I was or what I did, it just didn't matter unless I had the "right" body. And no matter how hard I worked, I couldn't get the "right" body.

And believe me, I *worked.* I HATED it, but I did it. I lost 30 lbs, weighed 135, and wore a size 8. And I still wasn't happy.

Some time ago I had a major improvement in my self-esteem. I don't want to write a novel here so I won't explain how, but since I came to value all the things in me as a person that are worth so much more than looks, lots of really great things have happened in my life.

I have a great relationship with a wonderful guy. I thought that could only happen if I were thin.

I have a much better job, with all the money I want and more time off.

I have great friends now. I thought this wouldn't happen unless I looked the way I am "supposed" to.

Incidentally, turns out I have had a potentially disabling medical condition, probably for a few years now, and didn't even know it until last year. (No, it isn't caused by being overweight.) This puts most women who have it in the hospital, but I have NO pain whatsoever.

I'm not going to complain about it!

Basically, my life is SO much better than when I spent hours and hours of my life running down the road, trying to look like a TV star.

No, I don't look like any of the pictures p0ink has posted. I'm not even as big as Camryn Manheim. I wear a size 18. But that is still big enough to have strangers stop me and make an ugly comment or two.

I do exercise, and I do work with free weights. I plan to do what my body can handle and progress at my own speed. But the quality of my life is more about how I treat people, not how I look ... after all, it's only how many inches this way, and how many inches that way. There is so much more that determines the quality of your life, and what you bring into the lives of other people.

I'm a nice person, and most people who know me are glad they do.

Now, what have I done that you should hate me for?

 

[Lao Tzu]

Hi there, p0ink.

Thanks so much for taking quotes off our board out of context, altering some of them, and reposting them here.

I have only one question for all of you buff bods out there.

Why, exactly, do you people hate fat people so much?

For most of you, the longest contact you have with anyone fat is looking at one of us in public for, say, five to ten minutes. I'm sure you don't know anyone fat, because if you identified this particular physical characteristic with anyone you cared about, you might feel differently to hear someone you knew and liked or even loved being spoken to in the manner I've observed here.

What, exactly, do fat people do to you to justify all this vitriol?

Why do you bother? this board has as much in common with yours as a neo-communist board has in common with alt.worship.rush-limbaugh. This is multiculturalism, and none of us are going to change our views to accomidate our (percieved) radical antithesis.

It was wrong for p0ink to go to your board and give you 'advice', and it is wrong for you guys to come here. Why can't people just believe what they want.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Now, what have I done that you should hate me for?

said the communist to the neo conservative or vice versa.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Yeah, I agree.

We don't have much in common, and we probably aren't going to change each other's minds.

But when people can disagree without hate, we will go a long way toward getting along.

When I can live my life without condemning yours, we will go a long way toward living side by side in peace.

When we can just live, and not have to be "better" than the next person, the world will become a happier place for all.

I'm sure that if I want to strengthen my arms and cure my backaches (which I do) there's a lot you people know that I could benefit from learning.

And I suspect that some fat people know a few things about life that could benefit some thin folks as well.

Can't we get along without the hate?? What purpose does it serve??

 

[Lao Tzu]

Yeah, I agree.

We don't have much in common, and we probably aren't going to change each other's minds.

But when people can disagree without hate, we will go a long way toward getting along.

When I can live my life without condemning yours, we will go a long way toward living side by side in peace.

Can't we get along without the hate?? What purpose does it serve??

perhaps i misread your intentions in your first posts. Its just that the 2 boards have central principles that are contradictory. one is obsessed with creating a 'perfect' body (fuck, i've seen some people treat body dysmorphia as a good thing on this board), and another is obsessed with tolerance for looking however you already look.

I don't know, nevermind me.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

I guess my intention is to get people to think about WHY they do what they do.

Why *do* some of you go out of your way to say hurtful things to and about fat people? What purpose does it serve for you?

It must serve SOME purpose, because some of you are going at it with dedication that is nothing short of admirable.

 

[Lao Tzu]

I guess my intention is to get people to think about WHY they do what they do.

Why *do* some of you go out of your way to say hurtful things to and about fat people? What purpose does it serve for you?

It must serve SOME purpose, because some of you are going at it with dedication that is nothing short of admirable.

I think it's psychological. I wrote a post about that 2 years ago, and mistyp basically said the same thing i said, it has to do with projection & maintaining the validity of your lifestyle by attacking contradictory lifestyles.

Thats my theory at least.

 

[Zirakzigil]

For most of you, the longest contact you have with anyone fat is looking at one of us in public for, say, five to ten minutes.

I cant help if you people are mesmerizing when u walk..jiggle jiggle

Lets put it this way ATroll. I dont hate fat people. However I think SEVERELY OBESE people are disgustingly poor excuses for human beings. how could a person EVER EVER EVER eat so much god damn food that they would weigh say 350 lbs or more (unless it is one of the very rare exceptions where its mainly muscle). I feel guilty when I eat what I dont need because so many people starve (even though I know its all due to the politics of food distribution), how could someone much away and gain 150 lbs of lard!!??!?!?!

that is mind boggling

Plus I have a certain morbid fascination with the problems fat people face. I mean i would have NEVER thought that there are people so god damned obese that they cant even wipe their own god damned ass. When you get to that point you are no longer worthy of respect as a human being, youre a blob of lipids worthy only of derision

 

[Gorlim]

we insult you lazy fuckers so that maybe u'll realize how having the personality of a sloth is very frowned upon and u should get your life in shape instead of lying in bed and eating.

 

[Fonz]

I guess my intention is to get people to think about WHY they do what they do.

Why *do* some of you go out of your way to say hurtful things to and about fat people? What purpose does it serve for you?

It must serve SOME purpose, because some of you are going at it with dedication that is nothing short of admirable.

Damn this thread is lonnnnnnggg.

Anyways, to the discussion at hand:

Obesity causes the bodies
autonomic systems to start to FAIL.

If it weren't for medical science, 30-40% of obese
people would be dead.

Overweight/obese people need A LOT of medical care.
This costs a LOT OF MONEY.

Type II diabetes/High blood pressure/cardio-pulmonary
problems/estrogenic based cancers etc.. etc...

ALL THESE problems stemming from obesity.

All this makes obesity the #1 killer in the US today.

And you wonder why people don't like overweight
people from a socio-economic perspective?

Fonz

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

When you get to that point you are no longer worthy of respect as a human being, youre a blob of lipids worthy only of derision

Well, how are these people supposed to change if all they get is condemnation from other people?

We just had one of these guys on our board. He was so ashamed of himself he wouldn't even SEE the doctor anymore. But, with a little support, this person decided he really did want to turn his life around and is making some moves toward getting health care, getting out of a depressing life situation, and losing some weight.

If he had come in there and we had all said, "Well, you fat lazy slob, get out of here, etc" he just would have felt worse.

It's hard to have any faith in your ability to do anything, and in the idea that you deserve any better, when all you hear is negative. You can only go so long with people putting you down before you start to believe it.

Think of the worst thing you've ever done. Wouldn't you want the person to forgive you?

Last but not least, all sorts of "larger" people are on that board. We are not all three and four hundred pounds. A lot of people are there because even 20 extra pounds is not well tolerated in some quarters. You haven't seen all the posts ... just a, well, biased sampling.

Why must everyone look like an Adonis and exercise manically? Not everyone can be, or wants to be, a bodybuilder. I'm sure it takes you guys a lot of time, and some of us are just not that interested in that much exercise.

It isn't fair to lump all people over a size whatever into one group and make blanket assumptions. Do you do this with black people? Oriental people? Smokers? Animal lovers ... ? Etc ...

*If* I were to treat this group the same way ... well, I'm not going to repeat what I'd come in here and say.

It wouldn't foster much peace, would it?

 

[p0ink]

nordstrom was right on the money with everything he said, as was fonz (fonz always is though). The reason I started this thread in the first place was because a bunch of fat people in my area were forming a coalition to sue the fast food industry for making them fat, which is a bunch of bullshit. No one forces these people to eat this way. Human beings have free will, but when things don't work out in their favor, they have to find a way to blame it on everyone around them, instead of taking responsibility for themselves. By all this litigation, health care costs, disability, etc is it wrong for me to be upset for paying for someone else's unhealthy lifestyle? Should the american public just embrace this apathetic, lazy, unhealthy lifestyle as if it were a positive thing? I don't think so. And to be quite honest with you, when I saw alot of the posts over there, it just made me even more angry, because i saw what the over all consensus was in terms of people's attitude about obesity. They want to bitch and moan about it, blame fast food, blame the diet industry, blame tv, blame magazines, etc. but *NEVER* take the responsibility for their own obesity. Instead of people trying to work on ways to fix this problem, they encourage people to stay at the completely unhealthy weight they are at and just be 'comfortable with themselves' as the rest of us foot the bill for this lifestyle. And when I was posting over there, which I don't anymore, everything i posted was not once in a condescending manner, it was more like "why dont you try this, or try that" and the things still get erased. The people there do do not want to hear that something is their own fault, god forbid. But if i were to post 'obesity is not your fault, it is society's fault' i would get a bunch of "amen's" "poink is so smart" "we should really sue the entire american society for making us this way" etc. And once again, dont think i hate every person who is a lb over weight, because that is not the case. I simply hate those with the attitude that many of them over there so proudly display.

 

[Magnus T Rico]

I have been reading this for awhile now. I am big and fat. Approximately 400 lbs. and 30% bodyfat. I have received my fair share of negative comments. The thing that sets me apart from the people on NAAFA is that I decided to do something about it. I don't listen to what some of those assholes say about me. I have to many other things to worry about than what goes through some numb nuts jock's brain. I have to pay rent, utilities, buy gas for my SUV, etc. Just like everyone else.

The 2 main reasons that I have decided to change my appearance is that I have gotten into martial arts and that I am tired of being fat. Been fat all my life. I want to try the other way. Now some of you fat asses may think that I have issues and don't like myself or some bullshit like that. Let me assure you the only issue I have is whether to use EAS's Muscle Drive HP or Optimum Nutirition's Pro Complex for protein supplement. That and whether to have mixed vegetables or one type with my grilled chicken.

Take objection if you will. I have better things to do than worry about what some idiot has to think.

Poink, I agree with most (if not all) of what you have said. No one held a gun to my head and made me eat McDonald's or force fed me ice cream or made me do whatever. I MADE ME!! And I will REMAKE me. Just need a little time.

As a side note, I started working out at my local Gold's last Monday. I only heard two negative comments and those were not about my bodyweight. They were about the weight I was pushing (pretty damn light). Everyone there was helpfull and I generally had a good time. Next week can't get here fast enough. Today is supposed to be an off day frome lifting, but man I want to get in there and pump some iron something fierce!

 

[p0ink]

magnus, congrats for you. i have the utmost respect for people that try to do something about it. don't worry about what people may think or say at the gym, because everyone has to start somewhere...oh yeah, what martial arts are you doing? i'm in two myself

 

[Magnus T Rico]

Thanks for the support. I am currently taking Jeet Kune Do and Kali/Arnis. I plan on starting some European Sword work within the month.

Again, I made me. I will remake me. Damn, should that be a motto or something?

 

[Zirakzigil]

Why must everyone look like an Adonis and exercise manically? Not everyone can be, or wants to be, a bodybuilder. I'm sure it takes you guys a lot of time, and some of us are just not that interested in that much exercise.

You dont have to exercise manically to be toned. I work out 1 hour a day, 45 min is weights, 15 min is climbing stairs. I bet most of u people spend longer than that eating.

 

[Magnus T Rico]

You dont have to exercise manically to be toned. I work out 1 hour a day, 45 min is weights, 15 min is climbing stairs. I bet most of u people spend longer than that eating.

My workouts this last week were about 45-60 minutes long. I am not going for the "typical bodybuilder" look. As I said before, I am into martial arts, so my training will reflect that. A six-pack would be nice, but it is not a requirement at this point. In fact the only thing that is a requirement for me is to get to 10%-15% bodyfat in my first stage. Also increasing my strength (not necessarily muscle mass) and flexibility is a major concern as well.

 

[Zirakzigil]

My workouts this last week were about 45-60 minutes long. I am not going for the "typical bodybuilder" look. As I said before, I am into martial arts, so my training will reflect that. A six-pack would be nice, but it is not a requirement at this point. In fact the only thing that is a requirement for me is to get to 10%-15% bodyfat in my first stage. Also increasing my strength (not necessarily muscle mass) and flexibility is a major concern as well.

Yeah, I was talking to ATroll - workouts dont have to take like 5 hours a day or whatever she is thinking... All she must do is just watch two fewer sitcoms

 

[p0ink]

Hi there, p0ink.

Thanks so much for taking quotes off our board out of context, altering some of them, and reposting them here.

Not one post was altered. I only copy and pasted sentences, that was it, nothing was altered, and if one was (which isnt possible) let me know, and i will be more than happy to remove it.

 

[p0ink]

My workouts this last week were about 45-60 minutes long. I am not going for the "typical bodybuilder" look. As I said before, I am into martial arts, so my training will reflect that. A six-pack would be nice, but it is not a requirement at this point. In fact the only thing that is a requirement for me is to get to 10%-15% bodyfat in my first stage. Also increasing my strength (not necessarily muscle mass) and flexibility is a major concern as well.

hey man, once again, congrats on the balls out attitude. train however you want to train, the thing that matters is that you took a pro-active role in trying to better yourself. JKD is a fast paced martial art and will help you in accomplishing your goals, as will the lifting. if you plan on getting involved in a second martial art, i suggest you give brazilian jiu jitsu a shot or maybe muay thai. both are more practical than weapons training, since you cant walk down the street holding a samuarai sword, and you will also be burning more calories with one of them (especially muay thai). well once again man, congrats on the healthy attitude and lifestyle change. if you ever have any questions do a search on the board or drop me or someone else a line. peace guy

-p0ink

 

[Citruscide]

I've heard mention of a possible legal action over this thread for interference with business??? Or any sort of legal action concerning the posting of this thread from some organization...

First and foremost, whoever the assclown who thinks a lawsuit can originate from the cutting and pasting of public postings is a complete re.... reject. I would say retard... but that word has been taken away from us.

POink... don't worry. Assclowns will be assclowns.

C

 

[Gorlim]

hahahaha the fatties think they can sue.

 

[Lao Tzu]

I have been reading this for awhile now. I am big and fat. Approximately 400 lbs. and 30% bodyfat.

30% bf at 400 lbs? that is a LBM of 280. Unless you are 6'8" i don't see how that is possible.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

OK, OK.

Enough with this:

You dont have to exercise manically to be toned. I work out 1 hour a day, 45 min is weights, 15 min is climbing stairs. I bet most of u people spend longer than that eating.

Maybe it is hard for you to imagine, but some of us DO have to work out THAT much to be "toned." If you are asking *me* to look like a fitness model, then that is exactly what you are asking me to do.

I'm tired, tired, TIRED of hearing about how easy it is for you and how little time and effort it takes for you to lose X amount of weight and look whatever "toned." I'm glad you are finding the going simple, but do not presume to tell me that it is easy for everyone. I've lost weight, and I know EXACTLY what it took.

What it took for me to even *approach* the size I wanted to be was one quarter of my waking hours devoted to exercise. Yes, that's right. After I've run miles in 95 degree heat, in blizzards in 20 degree weather, and stuck to my exercise program without missing even a day for 18 months, do not tell me how little time it takes *you* and therefore how simple it is for everyone. I did it, and I KNOW what it took for *me.*

Somebody tell me please why it is that two women the same age can eat pretty much the same thing, and one walks twice around the block several times a week for exercise and is thin and beautiful with NO trouble at all, while another person (me) has to devote so damn much time, sweat, and boredom to exercise and STILL starts to gain weight if every dinner and every other lunch isn't salad (with no dressing)? This IS my experience. I only *wish* I were making it up.

This is my situation, folks, and it is no joke. When I say I am sick of that much exercise, it really is because I am no longer willing to work out all morning or afternoon every other day just so people passing on the street will like what they see and leave me alone. Many of us "horrible" people have worked like dogs on our weight and we still aren't thin. I personally got so sick and tired of waking up and going, "Oh, no, it's time to go through all that AGAIN? Didn't I just get finished??"

I liked being more fit, but it took so much time I started to feel like I was in jail. I grew to hate it so much that I dared not miss a day, because if I did I knew I'd never be able to get started again.

I am going to work out a REASONABLE amount of time from now on, and if it doesn't get me thin then too bad. There really are people out there who have to spend much, much more time and effort than you do to achieve the same result, and I'm one of them. This is one reason I believe remarks like "Get your lazy ass out of bed ..." and "I bet that's less time than you spend eating" are humongously unfair and quite a bit off the mark. I am no lazy ass, I don't binge, and I eat the same portions as everyone else I know. If you are able to stay in such good shape with so little outlay of time, I probably spent much more time "working at it" in my day than you are at the moment.

P0ink, I'M not suing anyone (and I don't see how they can, either, and don't consider it productive), I'M not costing you a higher insurance bill, *I* haven't done anything to you, and *I* don't deserve your hatred.

Without all this nonsense we could even have been friends. I'd prefer that to all this mudslinging. What about you?

I'm glad the good Lord saw fit to provide some of us with bodies that stay reasonably fit without unreasonable effort. But after hearing so many of you people tell about experiences so very different from mine, I'm beginning to suspect that we definitely aren't all created equal.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Its very simple. Use fewer calories than you consume, and you will lose weight. When you were exercising for hours and hours each day u must have been eating CARBS like a horse.

Did you ever try eating PROTEIN? Ask anyone here, these are people who KNOW how to exercise, eating protein is the way to help lose weight.

But lets say you ate perfectly well, and exercised for hours, and still barely managed to lose weight

then i am sorry you are just genetically inferior.

edit: seriously though, what exactly was your diet like during those intense workout periods, outline a day's meal for us and we can try and tell you what went wrong. Eating too many carbs is likely 4/5 the problem right there.

 

[Zirakzigil]

by the way.

Exercising SHOULD NOT BE EASY. If it is easy, its doing you very little good. You are making way too big a deal about running miles in 95 degree heat or 20 degree cold, THAT IS WHAT EXERCISE IS. When I go lift weights for 45 min its not like Im talking with my buddies, etc, etc, I FUCKING LIFT WEIGHTS and I am in intense pain from exertion, for much of that 45 min. When I do 15 min on the stairs, I am so out of breath I cant talk and my glutes are screaming in agony. On sundays I jog 8 miles (takes about 1 hr) and its not easy.

you are trying to pretend like you made huge sacrifices by jogging in hard weather conditions. That is what it takes. You didnt do anything extraordinary so stop pretending like it IS. When I wrestled I used to work out 3x a day, probably for 6 hours total.

P.S. did you ever try weight lifting. The idea being, muscle takes a lot of calories to live, the more muscle you have the more cals you burn.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Hi,

Its very simple. Use fewer calories than you consume, and you will lose weight. When you were exercising for hours and hours each day u must have been eating CARBS like a horse.

I don't *think* so(?). On my campus we had a health educator who put up the menus every week with the healthiest choices circled for those students who were weight-conscious. I mostly followed those (every now and then I got sick of rabbit food and wanted a taco salad with real sour cream!), plus I knew pretty much that the green crunchy stuff was healthy and nutritious and the french fries weren't. I ate *about* as much as my friends ate. I might eat, say, an extra half slice of chicken and half serving of broccoli, but then again I was running about four times the distance my friend Karen was, too.

*sigh* I'm beginning to wonder about the inferior genetics thing. I wish it were easier for my weight to reflect the amount of exercise I do. But I am not going to stop exercising because it doesn't. I did that once, because I was so pissed off about it, and wasn't very happy with the result.

Anyway, I am always open to advice about the best way to get stronger, have more stamina, and acquire better balance. Just lay off the stuff about body fat and getting thinner, because that part is pretty damned discouraging.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

When I wrestled I used to work out 3x a day, probably for 6 hours total.

*Six hours a day???*

Nope. I'm not willing to work out any six hours a day.

Yes, it is pretty intense. I ran pretty much working as hard as I could work, when I ran. (And there are some STEEP hills there to run, too.) It was very discouraging to me that after more than a whole year I still couldn't go as fast as the other runners I saw out there. I got pissed off, because I wasn't improving the way I wanted to improve -- and for Pete's sake, I was starting to regain weight!! -- and that was one of the reasons (oh, woe is me!) I got mad and quit.

I work as hard as I can work now, though with the extra weight and the time that has passed that sure isn't as fast as it used to be!! But I am only willing to do an hour a day now. This all morning/afternoon stuff is for the birds ... plus I have a job, not college, so I don't have the time flexibility anymore.



P.S. did you ever try weight lifting. The idea being, muscle takes a lot of calories to live, the more muscle you have the more cals you burn.

I am starting to do that now. Can't do a whole lot of weight right now tho. Hopefully if I work on it every day that will change.

 

[Zirakzigil]

You have inferior genetics. So do I. I have horrible vision and I get colds a lot - my genetics are inferior. You gain weight VERY easily and have trouble losing it. Your genetics are inferior. Side note, your genetics might have actually been good a long time ago, when humans had to forage for every calorie.

Anyway listen, don't trust people who give you a diet that's the same as everyone else's, because YOU are not like everyone else - you've got a lot more weight and your genes are different. Eating a high percentage of protein can help. Post in the 'diet discussion' forum on this site, and give a detailed account of your problem, and see what they can do for you. Don't be put off by 'diet' - it's just the word for the foods we eat. The people there are experts at sculpting their weight to what they want to. Bodybuilders go through cycles of weight gain (both fat and muscle) and fat loss - and they do this predictably, every year, since it's nearly impossible to gain muscle without fat (at our wieght anyway), but they must lose the fat for competitions. Please go post in the 'diet discussion' board - we've had overweight people here post before. Note, it WILL NOT be easy, but it won't be all salads either. When I'm "cutting" I eat a lot of chicken breasts and tuna, drink a lot of milk, and eat all the veggies I want. Note I avoid carbs like the plague, getting just enough so I don't have health problems.

Anyway, it sounds like you really need to read up on nutrition. The "fad" diets that consist of starving yourself are invariably wrong. The body's first response to drastically lessened food intake is to slow its metabolism down - the opposite of what you want. The "fad" diets that promise you can eat all you want are just as bad. Those never work. Post on the diet discussion board, I promise no one will make fun of you for asking for advice.

Next, don't focus on burning calories. Focus on gaining strength. Do you have money? Hire a personal trainer a few times a week. If not, go to the gym and lift weights. Start with 2x a week, and gradually increase to more. An hour a day is all it takes. Listen to your favorite music while you work out, or listen to NPR on the radio or something. I think traditional weight loss is focused too much on aerobic and cardio stuff. Weightlifting is a great way to build muscle, which BURNS calories. Not to mention it will help with posture and mobility, if those are issues.

hope this helps

Just remember, your body processes food differently from other peoples'. A diet that works for your 5'6 120lb friend Karen (just making those numbers up), is definitely not going to work for you.

BTW again, by "diet" I mean "way of eating", not a 'diet-diet', or starving yourself...

 

[Zirakzigil]

I am starting to do that now. Can't do a whole lot of weight right now tho. Hopefully if I work on it every day that will change.

Yay!!

 

[Madd Hatter]

Whew, I see this thread got a fourth wind since my last post.

I actually think ATroll is one of the "good" ones, or at least one of the "tolerable" ones judging by the contents of the posts.

To answer one of her first questions about why we're so hostile, why the hate, etc.... for me, it's all in my posts in this thread. Review them. You can't blame me. Also, Fonz's post a page or two back was very good.

Ok, so the guns I had pointing towards "fat people" may not have been the best choice, perhaps it should be altered to:

90% of fat people

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Next, don't focus on burning calories. Focus on gaining strength. Do you have money? Hire a personal trainer a few times a week. If not, go to the gym and lift weights. Start with 2x a week, and gradually increase to more. An hour a day is all it takes. Listen to your favorite music while you work out, or listen to NPR on the radio or something. I think traditional weight loss is focused too much on aerobic and cardio stuff. Weightlifting is a great way to build muscle, which BURNS calories. Not to mention it will help with posture and mobility, if those are issues.

Yeah, that is what I am trying to do. I remember being a lot more agile once ... *frowns*. What I do is the treadmill for half an hour, set on the highest program I can do without having to turn the machine down because I can't keep up, then either arm or leg weights. Usually the last part takes half an hour. On days I just don't want to go to the gym I get out and just walk a mile or two. (At least I am outside doing SOMETHING.)

As far as the "diet" issue goes, I don't think I need to be on food rules right now. I have never been diagnosed as this, but from reading up on it I am beginning to suspect that I have become a compulsive eater over the past few years. (This is after the big Diet And Exercise Burnout).

What I have read about compulsive eating suggests to me that I will have the most success if I don't try to follow rules about what to eat. Part of what makes compulsive eating compulsive is the yelling at yourself about what you eat, which creates the drive to eat whatever is not on your list. I have been trying to follow the "Overcoming Overeating" program by Munter and Hirschmann. And I do notice that when I don't yell at myself for eating things like ice cream, and I tell myself I can have whatever I want, I am much more likely to find that I WANT to eat a salad, or a piece of fruit, or whatever. Just tonight I went out for a steak, and took half my food home instead of eating it all. That would have been unthinkable before, because I would have been in this defiant mindset of, "Well, tonight I am cheating so I'd better stuff it all in ... I have to go back to salad tomorrow!" The whole idea is to eat what you are hungry for when you are hungry for it, and to stop when you are full. When you take off all the food rules you will naturally crave what your body needs. If that is vegetables, protein, whatever, you will naturally find that that is what you are craving. And I find that I just don't crave white bread kinds of stuff, cookies, doughnuts, etc. Ugh!

Anyway, that is the theory. It's really watered down, but I don't guess that everyone is interested in it on this thread.

I shared that because, if it is correct, then all of this fat-bashing that is out there is only feeding the compulsive cycle that drives addictive eating behavior. You get much further with an accepting, nonblaming attitude.

To Mad Hatter:

I think most of humanity is a lot more "tolerable" than we tend to give them credit for. (OK, maybe not Osama bin Laden ...)

I'd like to be friendly with people here. I think we all could be.

But it's important to get to know people as individuals, and not to take things out of context, or assume you know all about them because of what they look like.

It is my personal belief that a person's looks have no bearing on their worth as a human being.


I'll let you guys know how the exercise thing is going. Right now I have been sick for two weeks, and am going back to the gym tomorrow. And I am not looking forward to being SORE again!!!

 

[starfish]

Yeah, that is what I am trying to do. I remember being a lot more agile once ... *frowns*. What I do is the treadmill for half an hour, set on the highest program I can do without having to turn the machine down because I can't keep up, then either arm or leg weights. Usually the last part takes half an hour. On days I just don't want to go to the gym I get out and just walk a mile or two. (At least I am outside doing SOMETHING.)

As far as the "diet" issue goes, I don't think I need to be on food rules right now. I have never been diagnosed as this, but from reading up on it I am beginning to suspect that I have become a compulsive eater over the past few years. (This is after the big Diet And Exercise Burnout).

What I have read about compulsive eating suggests to me that I will have the most success if I don't try to follow rules about what to eat. Part of what makes compulsive eating compulsive is the yelling at yourself about what you eat, which creates the drive to eat whatever is not on your list. I have been trying to follow the "Overcoming Overeating" program by Munter and Hirschmann. And I do notice that when I don't yell at myself for eating things like ice cream, and I tell myself I can have whatever I want, I am much more likely to find that I WANT to eat a salad, or a piece of fruit, or whatever. Just tonight I went out for a steak, and took half my food home instead of eating it all. That would have been unthinkable before, because I would have been in this defiant mindset of, "Well, tonight I am cheating so I'd better stuff it all in ... I have to go back to salad tomorrow!" The whole idea is to eat what you are hungry for when you are hungry for it, and to stop when you are full. When you take off all the food rules you will naturally crave what your body needs. If that is vegetables, protein, whatever, you will naturally find that that is what you are craving. And I find that I just don't crave white bread kinds of stuff, cookies, doughnuts, etc. Ugh!

Anyway, that is the theory. It's really watered down, but I don't guess that everyone is interested in it on this thread.

I shared that because, if it is correct, then all of this fat-bashing that is out there is only feeding the compulsive cycle that drives addictive eating behavior. You get much further with an accepting, nonblaming attitude.

To Mad Hatter:

I think most of humanity is a lot more "tolerable" than we tend to give them credit for. (OK, maybe not Osama bin Laden ...)

I'd like to be friendly with people here. I think we all could be.

But it's important to get to know people as individuals, and not to take things out of context, or assume you know all about them because of what they look like.

It is my personal belief that a person's looks have no bearing on their worth as a human being.


I'll let you guys know how the exercise thing is going. Right now I have been sick for two weeks, and am going back to the gym tomorrow. And I am not looking forward to being SORE again!!!

Are you female??? Come hang out on the Woman's Board!!!!!!

 

[Magnus T Rico]

30% bf at 400 lbs? that is a LBM of 280. Unless you are 6'8" i don't see how that is possible.

I am 6'1". The reason that it is possible is that unlike a lot of others in my situation, I have worked in factory jobs having to stand and walk and CLIMB stairs and such. My legs are almost all lean mass very little fat. In fact the trainer had a hard time getting enough skin "pinched" to take a reading with the calipers.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

It isn't full of people who are going to insist that I Get Thin, is it?

See, that is what we people over there with these troubles were upset about. I am going to take care of myself the best I can -- I think that all of us want to -- but, you know, if my body doesn't look thin as a result, and I have depressingly good reason to suspect that it may not, I don't need all this brouhaha.

I have diabetes in my family. It isn't as if I don't care, and do nothing.

 

[starfish]

It isn't full of people who are going to insist that I Get Thin, is it?

See, that is what we people over there with these troubles were upset about. I am going to take care of myself the best I can -- I think that all of us want to -- but, you know, if my body doesn't look thin as a result, and I have depressingly good reason to suspect that it may not, I don't need all this brouhaha.

I have diabetes in my family. It isn't as if I don't care, and do nothing.

Nooooo.... The ladies over there are not going to insist you get thin LOL.... We are not into the anorexic/waif look..

Get healthy and do what is right for you!! It's all about QUALITY of life..

 

[Magnus T Rico]

Poink. Thanks again for the words. I am taking JKD because Bruce Lee is one of my idols since I was a child. The weapons are because I like them. I have always been into swords ever since I can remember. Where I train martial arts we have Muay Thai and BJJ. JKD and Muay Thai are often put together in one class. I actually enjoy taking the Kickboxing though at times I am ready to pass out (literally) after an intense session. Right now BJJ is more than I can handle.

 

[Norman Bates]

We don't have much in common, and we probably aren't going to change each other's minds.


When we can just live, and not have to be "better" than the next person, the world will become a happier place for all.

And I suspect that some fat people know a few things about life that could benefit some thin folks as well.

YOu did change your mind really quickly to someone saying i want to change myself.
Is that some sort of troll game?

 

[Temple]

Hey troll! I'm 5'9'', 180, 17% fat, and I LOVE the women's board. In fact, we like to make fun of people that are "skinny-fat."



Stop by and introduce yourself. There's a thread waiting for you....

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=129890

I have been everywhere from anorexic to as big as my fridge - I am now 5'4" 143# and 16-17% BF, stronger and fitter than I have ever been in my life. I will tell you that IMO fat people do not eat enough and when they do eat it is the wrong things. I don't care if you are male or female, please join us.

 

[Rockafella Skank]

At last!! Something positive has emerged from this thread!!

 

[Zirakzigil]

shut up, buttnugget

 

[Rockafella Skank]

shut up, buttnugget

To whom do you refer, peanut?

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Hey troll! I'm 5'9'', 180, 17% fat, and I LOVE the women's board. In fact, we like to make fun of people that are "skinny-fat."

"Skinny-fat??" What does that mean?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but don't hurt anyone's feelings over there. Why must you make fun of anyone at all?

YOu did change your mind really quickly to someone saying i want to change myself.

Uh ... where??

Perhaps I've only recently made my full point clear, here ... or you misunderstood?

For clarification: What I've been going for all along here is that some of us DO make *reasonable* efforts at exercise and are still fatter than the norm. We resent those who would encourage us to exercise six hours a day if that's what it takes to look slim, because that's excessive to us and we don't want to do that. However, if we are spending the same amount of time exercising as you and trying to watch what we eat, we don't like hearing such things as "Get your lazy ass out of bed!" and "I guess you spend longer eating than that." It really is a quality of life issue.

What I am saying is, don't lump overweight people all in one pot and assume you know their character based on what their body looks like. And, for those overweight people who have given up on themselves in some way and really do need healthier habits and a new attitude, loving acceptance is going to produce that faster for them than hatred.

Think about it. If I came over with a two by four and started hitting you over the head with it, what would you instinctively do?? You'd probably put your hands up to protect yourself, wouldn't you? (Before taking it from me and knocking my brains out with it ...)

Well, that's what those people are doing. If you don't attack, but instead offer a hand up, ***without offering judgement about looks***, you inspire them to do more for themselves, and let them know that not all thin people hit.

Yeah, I do want to develop more muscle and become stronger. I always did. I never said, I am completely fat and totally out of shape and happy that way! But if I am making the best effort I can without the three-to-six hour marathon, improve my strength and stamina, but still don't look slim, I don't wanna hear it from folks. That's my point.

Well, I promised I'd go to the gym today and if I don't go soon, it'll be too late. So I'd better get going. Back later ...

 

[Sebass67]

Yet another reason why most people on Elite don't cut much slack for fat people is simply because we look at them and see them wasting away, letting their bodies slip and having this helpless mentality about them. Many people at Elite have realized part of their potential. We realized it took time and dedication. We dicovered our own power to change.

When people say get to the gym fattie or words like that it is for your own good. I will admit weight training was very hard for me to start at first. They are only trying to get you on a good program because they see potential in you. They realize that once you know your own power you will understand and than you will be better off.

Did any of that make sense?

 

[Temple]

Troll - we don't make fun of them in the sense that you mean. We are usually just disgusted by the crock of shit that the media has fed to people about how to become fit - actually being lean is almost a side effect of the lifestyle. Skinny/fat is what occurs when people eat too little or do too much cardio in an attempt to lose fat, ultimately they end up losing more lean mass than anything else, which lowers their metabolism and so they eat less and exercise more and the cycle goes on and on and on.

If you are truly interested in becoming stronger and more physically fit we can help you do that efficiently. NOBODY should have to do that much exercise to see results - I believe you when you tell me that is what you currently have to do to lose weight. The secret is to gain lean mass which will up your metabolism and in turn you will lose the fat.

Once again, I would like to invite you to join us on the Women's Discussion Board at Elite Fitness.

 

[Zirakzigil]

skinny-fat is when a person doesn't weigh very much and so they look skinny, but they have very little muscle and thus a high body fat percentage, even though they may look very skinny.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Yet another reason why most people on Elite don't cut much slack for fat people is simply because we look at them and see them wasting away, letting their bodies slip and having this helpless mentality about them.

OK, I understand that. I understand it doubly well because I also have osteoporosis in my family. I have had to watch my grandmother go from a person who loved to cook and putter in the yard to a person who is in tears sometimes because her back hurts so much from the fractures that she can no longer do the things she loves to do. I expect to be all alone at that age with not much money, so I have a vested interest in being physically able to take care of myself!!! And that is what got me back to the gym even though I have lost hope of ever looking slim. I no longer care about looking slim, I care about NOT ending up like my grandma!!

Now that I have understood your point of view, please try to understand ours in this respect:

When people say get to the gym fattie or words like that it is for your own good.

The trouble with phrasing it that way is that it sounds punitive. It sounds hateful, humiliating, and demeaning, especially to someone who already hates themselves anyway. We hear this sort of emotion from everyone, everywhere, every day. It sucks.

When you get ugly posts here, or you hear about frivolous lawsuits, or other things like that, it is because people are reacting to the hate in phrases like that one.

If you truly concerned about people's health, there is a way to say so gracefully, without implying that you hate the person, they are stupid, or whatever. And the best way to do that, to people who have been hazed for years and years because of the way they look, is to encourage healthful behavior without the "look this way" stipulation.

That is why p0ink's posts got erased over there. Over there we try to encourage people to eat well and exercise, whether they lose the weight or not. He (she?) had some good advice mixed in there, but when it is laced with overtones of you are and always will be an utter failure unless you LOOK this way, it's very hard for someone who has been fat a long time and has lost hope of ever looking slim again to hear you.

Does that make sense?

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

We are usually just disgusted by the crock of shit that the media has fed to people about how to become fit - actually being lean is almost a side effect of the lifestyle. Skinny/fat is what occurs when people eat too little or do too much cardio in an attempt to lose fat, ultimately they end up losing more lean mass than anything else, which lowers their metabolism and so they eat less and exercise more and the cycle goes on and on and on.

That is very interesting. That stuff is about the only advice I ever read anywhere. Do you know that Prevention magazine is recommending that everyone eat nine servings of fruit and vegetables a day?? Good grief!!! After you eat all that roughage, where is there room to eat all the other food groups?? You might as well just sit down with an entire crate of kale ... God, just the thought of the GAS from that kind of diet is scary!!!

If you have better advice, I am all ears. I just cannot eat that much salad, apples, and pears!!!

NOBODY should have to do that much exercise to see results - I believe you when you tell me that is what you currently have to do to lose weight.

I'm glad somebody does, because it's God's honest truth.

The secret is to gain lean mass which will up your metabolism and in turn you will lose the fat.

OK, but I'm not worrying anymore about losing any fat. It is really awful to focus as your reward on achieving a certain appearance, and fail and fail and fail even though you are working as hard as you can stand to work. It makes you feel AWFUL.

If I can gain the other benefits -- to have an easier time lifting and moving furniture, for example, to be able to keep up with my fitter friends when they go hiking, to be able to climb stairs without a heart attack -- and I am able to take care of myself to a ripe old age, I'll take that, thank you. It's much more important to me now than what I look like. Maybe you are right and I will lose weight as a side effect, but if it doesn't happen I am not going to kick myself, and I would appreciate it if the world could stop kicking me as well.

 

[p0ink]

ATroll,

The entire purpose of this thread was not mocking fat people, it was mocking the attitude that it is alright to be this way and not take responsibility for it. Like when someone who is overweight and would rather opt to take a wheelchair around an amusement park than walk, and still have the gall to complain about being fat and how they are treated, than this attitude has every right to be attacked. People are getting lazier and lazier and if someone is to dare call them out on it, suddenly they are out of line. They believe that their apathy and laziness only effects them, but that is not always the case. What if they decide to have children? Their children will be raised in the same unhealthy environment of the parents, since they are not even willing to change for themselves. It's not a question of making fun of someone who is fat, it is making fun of someone that is so god damn lazy and still wants others to pat them on the back and tell them it's ok. Thats what was 'under attack,' not the people that carry a few extra lbs (not a few hundered...that is unacceptable)

Oh yeah, to you people that still try to 'diagnose' in a futile attempt to make yourself feel intelligent and better about what was said over here. get real (swearing means i'm an angry person right ) You obviously have a hard time understanding what was written here, or you only wanted to acknowledge certain exerpts to make your case and point about me being an evil evil person. So put the high school psych textbooks away or the latest O magazine, cause it really isnt adding up to a god damn thing. (Not directed at you troll)

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

The entire purpose of this thread was not mocking fat people, it was mocking the attitude that it is alright to be this way and not take responsibility for it.

I can get that part ... sort of.

By posting stuff out of context you make us all out to be the same. Anyone reading your first post would think every person in NAAFA is a fat lazy slob who completely doesn't care about themselves at all. I have posted in that group for a while now and this is not the case. Most of us aren't thrilled to be overweight. In fact, there are some over there lobbying for weight/fat loss info to be allowed if it is done in a respectful manner. There is discussion going on over this; why would there be if we were all committed to being as unhealthy as possible? But, because of the issues I have discussed here, an AWFUL lot of us have given up on ever being slim.

NAAFA is there to be a support group where we AREN'T being scorned and vilified, and people AREN'T assuming that we are all lazy trailer trash while we try to deal with our problem.

If you weigh upwards of 250 lbs, you ain't gonna lose it overnight, IF you ever lose it at all. And in the meantime, those of us who are that weight can't walk a whole amusement park due to painful hips, knees, ankles, etc. How to get around?? We try to help each other out with things such as this.

You put up a comment of mine out of context, and in your post it doesn't quite reflect my original meaning. That whole post was meant, I think, to get the people here to hate all of us, and basically misunderstand who we are and what we are all about.

Your posts got deleted because you were insisting we all GET THIN. Most of us have longed to be thin for years and done everything we know to get that way, and we still aren't thin. That board is the one place some of us have where we aren't getting screamed at to get thin, because we are sick of hearing it -- and that is why those sorts of posts get deleted.

We're all for getting exercise. Why else would we have a board called "Exercise at any size??" You can impart the same information that helped you get fit ... without the "in order to get slim" part. That would go over just fine.

We just want a break from the daily chant, shouted from all quarters: "GET THIN!! GET THIN!! YOU'RE WORTHLESS UNLESS YOU'RE THIN!!!"

Wouldn't you??

 

[PlateheadJim]

P R E V E N T I O N MAGAZINE

That is very interesting. That stuff is about the only advice I ever read anywhere. Do you know that Prevention magazine is recommending that everyone eat nine servings of fruit and vegetables a day?? Good grief!!! After you eat all that roughage, where is there room to eat all the other food groups?? You might as well just sit down with an entire crate of kale ... God, just the thought of the GAS from that kind of diet is scary!!!

If you have better advice, I am all ears. I just cannot eat that much salad, apples, and pears!!!

Prevention magazine has been in the business of preventing people from becoming healthy for years. I've read their shitty pub before and am amazed at the misinformation distilled. Prevention makes the following mistakes:

- Treats people like retards, assuming they're simple minded fools
- Over hypes poor medical research, like GARLIC, A MIRACLE CURE FOR CHOLESTEROL!!!! - my ass
- Leads people to believe that exercise and eating right requires little effort on they're part and is easy - sorry, it's not

Anyway, Prevention is one of the worst publications on earth. Written by dieticians who still believe a high carb/low fat diet is healthy.

 

[BarryMcCalkiner]

World Health Day

Yesterday was World Health Day. How did you celebrate?

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Feds Say 70 Percent Not Exercising
Sun Apr 7, 9:15 AM ET
By ERIN McCLAM, Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA (AP) - Americans refuse to get off the couch.

A new government report says seven in 10 adults don't regularly exercise and nearly four in 10 aren't physically active at all.

And despite repeated warnings about the link between a sedentary lifestyle and heart disease and diabetes, the figures haven't budged from 1997 to 2001.

The National Center for Health Statistics released the report Sunday to mark World Health Day as officials prodded Americans to do something — anything — to become more active.

"Good health is literally a walk away," said Health and Human Services (news - web sites) Secretary Tommy Thompson, who planned a 10-mile run to mark the day. "You don't have to work up a big sweat at the gym or become a long-distance runner."

The report found only three in 10 adults were regularly physically active — defined as a half-hour of light to moderate exercise five times a week, or 20 minutes of vigorous exercise three times a week.

The study showed 38 percent reported no such physical activity at all.

The study was based on household interviews with 68,000 American adults in 1997 and 1998, the latest year for which complete data are available. Preliminary data for 2001 show virtually no change, the NCHS said.

The findings are particularly bleak in light of an alarming rise in diabetes, especially among Americans in their 30s. The blood-sugar disease is closely tied to obesity.

About 300,000 people a year in the United States die from diseases related to inactivity. In addition to diabetes, lack of exercise can increase the risk of heart disease and stroke.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites) issued a new booklet for local leaders, exhorting them to motivate communities to become more active.

"People can take the stairs instead of the elevator, or even park the car farther away at the grocery store," said Dr. David Fleming, the CDC's acting director.

The new report also provides a glimpse into some of the factors that may influence how active a person is, and shows demographic groups that need improvement.

For example, adults who make four times the poverty level are twice as likely to exercise than poor adults. The poverty level for single adults is just under $9,000.

Adults with better educations also tend to exercise more.

Married people, both men and women, were more likely than singles to be active. Single adults are more likely to prefer body-strengthening activities, like lifting weights or calisthenics.

About two-thirds of whites exercise at least some of the time, compared with only half of black and Hispanic adults, the report found.

The South trailed other regions in physical activity. The West led the nation with about two-thirds of adults getting some exercise, compared with just over half of Southerners.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

this one's NOT taken out of context ...

Just for a few words of proof that all of us over there aren't hatin' ourselves, hatin' life, and demandin' that the rest of the world love it, here's someone who committed to changing.

When I read posts from larger people, this is more the attitude I see. Now, when this guy gets small enough to get out and about, I can just imagine the number of people who will make ugly comments about what a fat slob he is who doesn't care about himself, when in reality this is a person who will have made a substantial improvement already and is in the process of changing his life.

As stated before, I'm somewhere in the 700 pound neighborhood. My doctor as recently as last week said I'm in good health, especially for someone of my size. However...I still want to lose weight. I'm unable to move, or leave my house, or basically do anything for myself without great difficulty.

You can never tell about a person by their outsides.

 

[p0ink]

I'm glad the gigantic pile of lipids are having fun trying to make themselves sound educated and feel better about themselves by trying to diagnose me, but come on people, lets get real here. Just cause a person doesn't like a particular group of people does not make them scared of them, turned on by them, jealous of them or afraid of turning into them. Using their logic is like saying a person hates child molesters because they are afraid of turning into them. I don't like alot of the fat people that have 'victim syndrome' and want to blame it on everything else but their own actions. i also dont like the fact that they talk shit about diets and the supplement industry screaming how they dont work, but yet they have worked for so many orhers. does this make me afraid of them? no. turned on by them? definately not. Instead they attempt to elevate themselves above others by talking about things they have no absolutely no idea about. there is one grease ball in particular that is trying to get off by diagnosing me with 'little man's syndrome.' i dont see how the fact that i lose my appetite and get disgusted when i see a wretched excuse for a human being such as yourself has anything to do with what you cry on and on about. but if you can burn the 5-10 extra calories doing so, i am more than happy for you

(not directed at you troll)

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Well, I can sort of get that as well. I have had someone diagnose me online before so I know how that feels. I don't really think you can get enough information online to make such a distinction.

This person is angry and I don't blame them. I don't know that I personally would take this way of responding, tho ...

i also dont like the fact that they talk shit about diets and the supplement industry screaming how they dont work, but yet they have worked for so many orhers.

But obviously something is wrong somewhere, otherwise I would not be getting posts on here telling me what shit Prevention magazine is.

Perhaps the confusion stems from *what* dietary supplements and advice people are talking about.

Us "fatties" don't have much exposure to the kinds of dietary modification and supplements bodybuilders use. When we talk about the diet industry we mean stuff like Weight Watchers and Prevention magazine ... and there are a lot of failures on those sorts of plans over there on the NAAFA board, and a lot of fed up folks.

By reading what people here have posted about their diet and exercise regimens, it seems to me that there is a big difference between what you guys are doing and the "NO MEAT!! ALL VEGETABLES, ALL THE TIME!!" approach the average large person is getting crammed down their throat daily.

Unfortunately you got banned, there, p0ink, but anyone who cares to share advice without the stipulations about looks, body fat loss, and "Get thin! Get thin! Get thin!" people would be interested to listen, I think.

I think that we are talking from two different worlds and that makes posts ripe for misunderstanding. Now that I have come over here and surfed around a bit I can understand your frustration a bit more. If bodybuilders understood where we are coming from a bit more we might all get along better and learn quite a lot.

 

[Love Bone]

I just don't see how she can be eating right plus cardio six times a week and be that big. Something isn't right in the Land of Oz. If that is true, she got dealt a pair of dueces in genetics.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

I haven't been very consistent lately. I am trying to eliminate the "off" part in "off again, on again."

Plus I don't do dietary restrictions right now. I am pretty sure I am a compulsive eater, and outlawing foods just makes me worse. I am trying to steer myself toward "real" food, with the goal being that one day, I will just naturally want what would be best for me to eat, instead of spending all day every day torturing myself over what I want vs. what I am "supposed" to have and not have. That is a recipe for binge eating on unhealthy food.

 

[Madd Hatter]

Re: this one's NOT taken out of context ...

Just for a few words of proof that all of us over there aren't hatin' ourselves, hatin' life, and demandin' that the rest of the world love it, here's someone who committed to changing.

*snip*

Ah, what the hell, I haven't posted in this thread in a while... what I say here is not an attack on you.
Ok, you're using this person as a POSITIVE point? We're supposed to think he (I'll assume he) is one of the "good" or "tolerable" ones? Seems to me he's just TALKING about improving himself. A lot of you do that. You TALK. There's a big difference in actually getting off your ass and doin it. I will have much more respect when I see that guy walking outside than hearing him TALK about it. TALKING about it isn't much better than those of you who have "given up" and now have "bitchy victim" syndrome. My room-mate TALKED about improving himself for years. Never did. Doctor told him to lose 100lbs or get diabetes, told him to go to the gym 3x a week. He said he would. Never did. Now he's given up, and no longer even claims any such BS. Either way, he's the most pathetic bastard I ever saw. He settles for mediocrity (in more ways than one, you should see his "woman") and calls it bliss.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Well, I am holding out some hope for humanity and I am going to support this person as much as I can.

People are all different. Some of us do give up. But some of us DON'T

Anyway, it's going to be a while before this person can get up and around, even if he is doing everything "right." So when you see a fat person out and about, don't assume they aren't doing anything. It takes a long time to lose hundreds of pounds ...

 

[mistyp]

I'm "Trolling", how's it going?

Well, I just trolled on in for a spell and couldn't believe this crap.

"The entire purpose of this thread was not mocking fat people, it was mocking the attitude that it is alright to be this way and not take responsibility for it. "

That's not true at all. When I first came on here and tried to defend overweight people in a rather BENIGN way, I was called "fatty", and all sorts of fat-related insults were hurled my way, even though I insisted that I took care of myself. I eventually turned to some very ugly insults myself, and I didn't like the person I was becoming. Negativity feeds into itself, in my opinion!
I made the point some time back that many overweight people simply have problems losing weight. I said before, that when someone fails repeatedly to look like society's "ideal" after a while they just get to be afraid of failure. Being hateful toward those people is about as useful as being hateful toward someone with asthma. You can't just tell someone with asthma to "get over it".
Not everyone has luck with diet and exercise. There are some people at my gym who work their butts off every day and are still very large.
To the folks here that are overweight, bless your hearts. I wish you the best of luck. Do it for yourselves, and your loved ones, and your health, not because of some convoluted idea of a what other people think is acceptable. It would be a great country if everyone could be healthy and happy.

 

[Magnus T Rico]

Us "fatties" don't have much exposure to the kinds of dietary modification and supplements bodybuilders use. When we talk about the diet industry we mean stuff like Weight Watchers and Prevention magazine ... and there are a lot of failures on those sorts of plans over there on the NAAFA board, and a lot of fed up folks.

By reading what people here have posted about their diet and exercise regimens, it seems to me that there is a big difference between what you guys are doing and the "NO MEAT!! ALL VEGETABLES, ALL THE TIME!!" approach the average large person is getting crammed down their throat daily.


.

Troll,

As someone who has "been there and done that", I know what you mean. I didn't get any real exposure untill I picked up one of the "Bodybuilding" magazines. You know the ones with the cover model(s) that no one can look like? Instead of saying that is fake, I can't do that, or whatever pick one up and read. Next month, get the next issue and read. And so on.

I had a friend a few years ago that gave me a "diet" very similar to the one mentioned above. It didn't work. I didn't lose one pound at all. In fact I GAINED weight. I didn't give up though. That is the worst thing ANYONE can do. I kept looking and eventually found something that began to work. And for the most part, I am still following that diet. Every now and then I have something I am not supposed to have. Do I let it screw me up? NO!! Don't worry about food restrictions and "falling of the wagon". Begin again with the next meal. Put it behind you and keep going. That is how ALL successful people are. I bet there isn't one person here that hasn't gone of their diet once in a while. The difference is that they kept going and WORKED to get better.

If you are afraid that you MIGHT fail, then you WILL fail. Face the problem head on and tell it "I OWN YOUR ASS" and beat the living daylights out of it. Conquer it. Find that little bit of COURAGE and use it. It can be difficult to find, but it is there.

Final words, this isn't easy. If it was, everyone would be doing it. This is, however, something that is WORTH THE TROUBLE. You talked about pain when excercising. I have it. I will untill my body gets used to it. Pain is literally nothing more than weakness leaving the body.

 

[Sebass67]

Mistyp, some things about you and your arguments that annoy me.

Looking back...

You claim "in most of the Elite area, I've seen an enormous amount of hostility and hatred."...

Yeah and you have been here for so very long...

"I found this thread because I've been thinking about becoming a part-time personal trainer at some point in the future, and working with difficult people. My ideas were either working with the elderly or the overweight. "

Probably because anyone in better shape wouldn't want you as their personal trainer. Wasn't really much of a choice was it?

"I am not a master's student; I have a master's degree. I am currently employed as a mathematics instructor, working on my Ph.D. in educational psychology with an emphasis in research design and statistics, as well as pursuing licensure in educational diagnosis."

Wow, you are educated. Tell someone who cares. WTF do you think this is...a math lecture. Since you have all of 1 year of lifting under your belt. Two words Shut your Pie hole.

"Yes, I'd rather that she'd been healthier and lived longer, but it irritates me to know that while she was alive she was the subject of redicule and cruelty."

Yeah and i wonder whose fault that was.

" I'm guessing more of the 302 disorder series for you - but then you may well have something that's much more axis 2. (When your really smart friend who reads to you reads this, maybe s/he can look that one up). "

Been covered....we have all realized how stuck up you were from the first few posts but thanks for verifying.

"A toast to you, oh God of bodybuilding. You've certainly put me in my place. I felt quite put down and ashamed of myself. "

That's right. Know your place.

"First of all, "tough guys", Methinks thou doth protest too much. "

I think that was the stupidest thing i have ever heard...

I think that about covers it.
I know one girl like you and i'll tell you what "you all think you know everything and you know shit." Ph. D. is a piece of paper.
Eat some humble pie.

 

[Norman Bates]

Mistyp, why have you done a master in math when you want to work as a personal trainer?

 

[mistyp]

I don't have an MA in math. I have an MA in educational psychology. The only reason I mentioned it was a defense to the comment that my background was a "few classes in junior college".

I'm interested in being a personal trainer only part time. Teaching doesn't take up all of my time. I'm kind of hyper, and I think life should be a balance: mind, body, spirit. I'm interested in training difficult people, because in my teaching I like a challange. What's the challenge in training people that aren't difficult?

It's odd that I would be called stuck up when so much space here is devoted to mocking and putting down people. I suppose that here it's acceptable to mock and put down those who are considered to be physically unattractive and inferior, but not intellectually.

My apologies. Once again, I've been put in my place.

 

[Zirakzigil]

misty + Troll look at this:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=120354&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Been there, seen that.

Yes, she's really worked hard and done a good job, hasn't she?

But about:

"Yes, I'd rather that she'd been healthier and lived longer, but it irritates me to know that while she was alive she was the subject of redicule and cruelty."

Yeah and i wonder whose fault that was.

For the love of God people please, please TRY to get your mind around this:

Ridiculing, humiliating, and demeaning people who aren't in shape is a solution that never, never, never, never works!!!! We've been treated this way for as long as we've been fat. If saying ugly things to us helped, there would be no fat people anywhere!!

Do you want to help or do you want to hate? If you are going to speak to overweight people about the subject of physical fitness, you are going to have to pick one.

You speak as if the human brain is hot-wired in an autonomic reflex arc: Light strikes overweight person and is reflected onto the retina of fit observer. Retina relays image to brain. Brain recognizes image as that of an overweight person. Nerve impulse goes straight to mouth (stopping for a brief moment at the language center to pick up the coldest put down), and then travels down motor nerves to muscles innervating larynx and mouth. Out comes put-down, with no conscious thought on the part of fit observer.

Is it really that the sight of an overweight person causes a put-down to come reflexively out of your mouth? Is it that the sight automatically shuts down the compassion center in the brain? No, no, no!! Saying something hateful requires a conscious choice on your part. It is that you hate that person, you want to say so, and you know you can get away with it!!

Why does that make you feel good about yourself?? Hate is never the solution to a problem. I didn't start back to work on my problem until I felt *better* about myself, NOT WORSE!!!

IF YOU WANT TO HELP OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE, make a committment to understanding their feelings and issues so you can speak *competently* to the problem.

IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING HUMILIATING, accept that you are making a conscious choice not to help. Don't say something ugly and then go, "Duh, man, it's not my fault -- she was fat, I couldn't help it!" Don't say something ugly and then go: "I was only trying to help, man."

Humilation

DOES

NOT

HELP

A

FAT

PERSON

DEAL

WITH

THEIR

WEIGHT!!!!!!

Can I make this any more clear????

"Condemn not, therefore, those aspects of life with which you disagree. Seek instead to change them, and the conditions that made them possible."

"In order to change something, you must first accept that it is there. In order to love something, you must do the same thing."

--Neale Donald Walsch

 

[Sebass67]

Actually, i do agree with most of that your saying...

Misty just has a way of annoying me.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

ROTFLMAO!!!!



Now, just remember that when you see a fat person in public or come trollin' on the NAAFA board and I will be proud of you ...

 

[Sebass67]

I agree that it isn't the way they should be treated. I know. But society works how it works and nothing is going to change that for a long time.

Here is why: Society puts down fat people.
Fat people get low self esteem
Fat people don't have enough confidence to fight back
Than, some try to rebel. So, they either become bitter in which they create more stereotypes or they lose the weight.

Now, upon seeing that now they have furthered their own position is society they no longer bother with those old issues as they are behind them.

hmmm....it's theory...

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

But society works how it works and nothing is going to change that for a long time.

WE can change it, one at a time.

After all, if you guys didn't believe in change, ya wouldn't be here.

 

[Sebass67]

See the thing is...it is a lot easier to change yourself than to change society so if one were to take the proactive approach the way of getting into shape is MUCH easier.

 

[Frackal]

I like troll from the fat board...misty's just rather annoying and not overly clever.

I deal with overweight people daily at my little job, and suffice it to say most of the stereotypes seem to be true as far as laziness or just plain idiocy goes...I have no respect for someone who complains they have bad genetics while looking for a miracle diet pill at the same time as drinking a carbonated fruit punch thing in a glass bottle....or all the ones who come to GNC from the grocery store with their carts full of junk...

 

[Frackal]

I haven't been very consistent lately. I am trying to eliminate the "off" part in "off again, on again."

Plus I don't do dietary restrictions right now. I am pretty sure I am a compulsive eater, and outlawing foods just makes me worse. I am trying to steer myself toward "real" food, with the goal being that one day, I will just naturally want what would be best for me to eat, instead of spending all day every day torturing myself over what I want vs. what I am "supposed" to have and not have. That is a recipe for binge eating on unhealthy food.

Troll my friend, the longer you do this, the easier it will get...once you learn nutrition facts and discover how these various foods affect your body, and how you feel eating fresh ripe fruit, lightly seasoned veggies with grilled steak, and rice with your favorite sauce vs. a greasy, chemical-laden piece of processed pizza, and you realizd with pride how your eating habits will improve your health, self confidence, physique, and general well-being, you'd find it crazy to think you ever had poor eating habits at all.

 

[Frackal]

Thirdly, I was pretty dissapointed to see how people treated misty when she first came here, even though I think she's rather dumb after reading all her posts, as well as FOS about the cardio/diet stuff.

THe "fatty" comments are childish and really kind of pathetic, actually for a moment made me embarassed to be here.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

See the thing is...it is a lot easier to change yourself than to change society so if one were to take the proactive approach the way of getting into shape is MUCH easier.

True, but ... if everyone felt that way society would never change at all.

And I think things like racism and sexism are best changed, and so is weight prejudice.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Oh well. Everyone says embarrassing things from time to time, including me. Just ask spatterson.