the dreaded first post

[DrJDuty]

Yes this is the dreaded first post. Try not to rip on me too much. A little bit about myself, I am
24 years old
6 foot 5 inches tall
weighing in around 200 pounds @ 11%BF
currently 3000kcal/day will be going as high as 5500/day with at least 400g protein a day and im big on no processed sugar


I had always been the scrawniest kid around. keyword was had. Graduating high school I was 130lbs soaking wet. I have previously taken Pheraplex twice and most recently I used IML Metha-Drol Extreme. After my first bout with phera I had gyno problems and ran letro for a while until the glands reduced to near-unnoticeable status. Havent had problems since.

My goal is to just get ripped. Im contemplating the following cycle (dun dun duh...)

Test E - 1-10 500mg/wk mon thurs

Ive read people might use dbol 30mg/ed in weeks 1-4 to jump start, especially when bulking. yay or nay?

I guess depending on if I were to 'jump start' I would run adex .5mg eod either wk 1-end of pct or weeks 3-EoPCT

HCGenerate - 4-8

Forma-stanzol 10-16
Forged PCT 10-14

Also be running N2Guard throughout cycle and pct.

Alright, let me have it. I would like to say that I appreciate any and all advice. - Dr. J

 

[BeastInTheEast]

Whether you decide to run the dbol with it or not, i highly recommend that you run that adex since you have already had gyno issues before or you could just run nolva if your gyno flares up. Just make sure you watch it carefully and you should be good. Dbol would be good to kick start if your looking to bulk. Honestly though what i see is you just need to eat more, maybe go on a heavy compound routine like 5x5 or so. Just my opinion since i am about your height at 230-240 without any PH/AAS but i just love to eat haha

 

[Essie]

Please ... if you run Nolva ... make sure you run it to the bin ... that is absolute shit! PLEASE ... NO NOLVA! Personally, I always advise ppl to start at a TEST dosage of 350mg/wk, pinned 175mg on Mon and 175 on Thu. For a first injectable cycle, that is plenty and your body will respond nicely to it. For on cycle support ... you seem to be sorted ... you have an AI in there ... NICE. You have HCGenerate in there ... NICE. You PCT ... I would up a bit. Add Clomid at 25/12.5/12.5/12.5 and the combo of Unleashed+Post Cycle. That is you sorted Bro. I like that you did research ... it shows and I appreciate you doing the little effort before coming on here and expecting us to spoon feed you.

 

[DrJDuty]

I usually stick to a 5x5 workout 4days a week and a mild crossfit two days a week. I have always had trouble eating. I use marijuana to help eat, which unfortunately can lead to the gyno by itself. Its not that I cant eat, but i am a very picky eater. Selective Eating Disorder I guess I was leading towards the 500mg becuase what im looking at grabbing is 250mg/ml, so it wouldve been easier to measure, but i absolutely appreciate your advice. I will def grab the clomid and unleashed for the four weeks. Still use the forma for a couple weeks after? And are you suggesting i lay off the dbol? I wouldnt mind being 225/230lbs at 8%. Ive been contemplating an NPC physique but for tall guys its tough.

 

[Essie]

Look Bro ... at 24, and with your diet not quite in check, you really shouldn't use gear. You need to eat more ... and the 5X5 routine with a better diet will have you growing loads! At 6'5" and 200lbs ... you have plenty of spave to grow. Sorry that you have to use Mary-Jane to get yourself chowing ... that sucks, but even if you use rgear and you don't eat right, train right and sleep enough, there will be no point. Also, you to keep on eating afterwards to sustain your new weight and if you can't do that, you'll just end up losing what you gained while on gear. Anywho ... Being you first injectable cycle, I would drop the DBol ... you can run that on your 4th cycle, but the 1st 3 should always be test only,jsut upping the dose everytime. Sure, you can run the forma for a few weeks after.

 

[DrJDuty]

What should my caloric intake be? I seem to have no problems eating while on cycle lol!! And right on, i will absolutely drop the dbol thought. I do use calorie count to monitor my daily intake of food. So Im looking like

1-10 Test E 350mg/wk Mon/Thurs
1-14 Adex .5mg/ed
4-8 HCGenerate as directed
1-16 N2Guard as directed
10-16 Forma-stanzol 5pumps am/5pumps pm for 4 weeks then 5 pumps daily
10-14 Unleashed/Forged PCT as directed
10-14 Clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5

Am i missing anything?

 

[dylangemelli]

What should my caloric intake be? I seem to have no problems eating while on cycle lol!! And right on, i will absolutely drop the dbol thought. I do use calorie count to monitor my daily intake of food. So Im looking like

1-10 Test E 350mg/wk Mon/Thurs
1-14 Adex .5mg/ed
4-8 HCGenerate as directed
1-16 N2Guard as directed
10-16 Forma-stanzol 5pumps am/5pumps pm for 4 weeks then 5 pumps daily
10-14 Unleashed/Forged PCT as directed
10-14 Clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5

Am i missing anything?

You do not want to be overlapping anti estrogens, which is exactly what you will be doing here... stop using adex before pct... you do not need to be running it during pct at all... i would also run hcgenerate week 4-10 at least... also, you don't start pct until two weeks after your last pin, so your weeks in the way you have them written down are off...

also bro, you need to get get your weight up more before you run this cycle... you are so fucking undersized for your weight thats its ridiculous... whatever it takes to eat, do it... if you need too puff, so be it... but you need to eat more bro... there is no point whatsoever to run this until you put on AT LEAST 15-20 lbs. more and even then, you would be pretty low for your height... trust me, at 6'5" 200 running any cycle is not recommended...

 

[Nelson Montana]

You don;t need the D-bol that long as a "jump start". Within a few days you T level will be way above normal.

I'd add some protein factory POST-CYCLE and follow with BRIDGE.

 

[joeblow12345]

Dude at 6ft 5 your damn near a giant. You should be pushing 300+ atleast. Whatever your eating, double it. If your going to do a test cycle it wont mean shit if you dont eat. If your not hungry, smoke your dope and eat chicken and steak until you wanna puke, then eat some more. Make eating a full time job.

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[Essie]

Well .. you have all the info you require in here ... now you just need to take it all and make it work for you Bro. The one thing which came up multiple times is that you are still not heavy enough for your height and you need to eat more ... so make a plan, see? I would seriously consider the supplement Nelson mentioned.

 

[Ox-Sandra-Loan]

At this point, yes what people are saying is correct, it is all coming down to food. AAS is like the turbocharger, but if you don't have enough gas (food) to run the engine, the turbo isn't going to do jack.
Not everyone agrees with this route, but if you have trouble getting all your calories, maybe consider one of those calorie-dense, high protein weight gain drinks. (But pick a decent one, not one that is just fat and sugar...and a lot of them are mostly that).
Personally I like 500mg/week as a starting point for test, but you really gotta get your eating down first, it will make a bigger difference than anything else.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Welcome to the site bro.

you have gotten some good advice the guys , follow it.

dont be afraid to post up more questions , only when you have everything in-check and all products in-hand should you start your cycle.

 

[DrJDuty]

I can absolutely up my intake to 3500 a day in normal training using ensure plus, but i was 183 when i ran metha-drol extreme oral and even after pct im 202. Hell i shot up to 210 in 40 days. It was insane. Like i said, i have no problem chowing down when im using, maybe thats just my mental state. I will def take all this in consideration and post back with an updated PoA! @11% now I dont want to be more than 225 as I do some MMA fighting. I would really like to stick to the lt heavyweight. Thank you for all the info, everyone. Hell the one guy I know who uses was going to sell me tren-a only, no test, no instructions, just 'go with it'. Thankfully I am smarter than the average bear, BooBoo!

 

[Judo Tom]

if you want to bulk please take this advice.
practice.

practice eating 4k-5k+ cals a day for a few weeks. then start the cycle. if you have problems 'chewing' food or eating you need to get some good shakes or drinking a gallon of milk a day. look it is not optimal but it is better then nothing.

google 'the gomad diet' mix all your milk with some good protein powder. get used to carrying around food everywhere you go along w/ the powder.

once you get used to this type of eating then start your cycle. it is not easy.. duh.. if it was easy we would all be walking around looking like a giant freak! but it can be done and you just need to start adding cals bit by bit until you are eating a ton.

 

[dylangemelli]

I can absolutely up my intake to 3500 a day in normal training using ensure plus, but i was 183 when i ran metha-drol extreme oral and even after pct im 202. Hell i shot up to 210 in 40 days. It was insane. Like i said, i have no problem chowing down when im using, maybe thats just my mental state. I will def take all this in consideration and post back with an updated PoA! @11% now I dont want to be more than 225 as I do some MMA fighting. I would really like to stick to the lt heavyweight. Thank you for all the info, everyone. Hell the one guy I know who uses was going to sell me tren-a only, no test, no instructions, just 'go with it'. Thankfully I am smarter than the average bear, BooBoo!

this alone tells you that you most definitely are able to put on weight... judo tom gave you some good advice... look into n2bulk as well... its a great product that a lot of people have used with much success for putting on weight... this would definitely help you...

 

[25homes]

Bro I honestly like your cycle lay out...would def keep test at 500Mg you grow good on.375Mg but 500Mg you will be happier with as long as you eat... Dbal not necessary but I think its a good idea your first cycle gives you best results I would do the dbal if it were me...I'm kind of jealous I didn't do proper research for my first cycle and looking back if I knew what I know now I would do exact cycle you have laid out my first cycle... If you eat proper.you can gain 30lbs no problemr on this cycle

 

[DrJDuty]

I cant thank all of you enough. I really appreciate everyone chipping in! I guess the biggest part for me is focus becuase like i said, when i am getting jacked i have no problem doing 5000+ a day as high as 7200 one day but i did cheat and had a triple baconator for lunch lol. i figure having shit food is better than having no food. i need to plan my meals better. i usually follow each 'meal' with 16oz whole milk 2 scoops protein powder, possibly a tsp or two of chocolate syrup and 2tbsp of peanut butter. i drank ensure plus previously and i liked those 350kcal per 8oz. I hated being so tall because i was a buck forty for so long but i can definitely say that i love being intimidating at 6'5 200 pretty lean. i guess its addicting seeing the results and have women swoon over you hahaha