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buddy28

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I learned about Wariks banning and read his email posted by dballer earlier this morning, which ironically was deleted shortly after the thread was posted. In his email, Warik expressed anger for the manner in which senior ef administrators chose to inform him of the termination of his membership status. I usually dont get involved in ef drama, but felt obligated not to let the issue of Wariks banning go quietly unnoticed.

Even though warik and I didn’t always agree and our interaction on elitefitness could hardly be classified as anything close to a 'friendship', he was a good moderator in mho and contributed valuable insight and thought provoking opinion to the chat and conversation board.

He's one of the few voices on this board that makes it worth visiting.


There seems to be an increasing trend on the boards towards banning members and consciously suppressing dialogue, which advocates a negative opinion of the benefits of platinum membership. Although private business are legally empowered to dictate the terms of service customers must adhere to to obtain the provision of goods and services, there’s a fine line between the pursuance of company profit and consciously alienating valued customers in the process. I believe by banning Warik and others, that line was crossed.


By continuing to ban popular members of elitefitness who regularly contribute rare insight not only into bodybuilding and anabolics, but also to other life areas, existing members are likely to become disillusioned with ef's restrictive administrative philosophy and reduce visitation and posting to this site. Or stop frequenting this site all together.

Last time I checked, elitefitness is directly dependant on site members to not only consume but to produce several products it claims proprietary ownership over. That fact alone underscores the importance site members have in sustaining the elitefitness enterprise, and the inherent benefit possible if senior administrators began exhibiting a renewed appreciation for both platinum and nonplatinum members alike.



George, if you want to ban me for this post, so be it.
But it would be a shame to have good members like Warik and Havoc banned and not one member stand up and protest in their defence.

I doubt you define the elitefitness lifestyle as one that promotes spineless individuals who lack the courage to support prosecuted acquaintances and friends. But that’s what your condoning by insinuating the existence of a future threat created when ef administrators repeatedly lock, move, and erase threads whose contents address the serious grievances members have of banned friends -- all under the laughable guise of 'cleaning the boards'.


So here I am, standing up for Warik and Havoc (if he's banned), asking you reinstate their membership status. If any aquantancies or friends of Warik or Havoc want to show their support, even if you didnt know them personally but enjoyed reading their contributions to the board, feel free to do it now.
 
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Hopefully, EFSam and Spellwin have alittle more backbone than to hurriedly rush this post off to the garbage before friends of Warik and Havoc have a chance to voice their support.
 
so ariolene, kingjohn, or notoriousqq,

none of you feel Wariks and (possibly) Havocs banning is excessive considering their significant contribution to the boards, both in content and administrative duty performed free of charge, for over, what, 2 years??
 
buddy28 said:
so ariolene, kingjohn, or notoriousqq,

none of you feel Wariks and (possibly) Havocs banning is excessive considering their significant contribution to the boards, both in content and administrative duty performed free of charge, for over, what, 2 years??

I think it's bogus. Warik was a good guy. Why they banned him makes no sense to me. There are plenty of assholes worthy of banning, he wasn't one of them.
 
ariolanine said:


I think it's bogus. Warik was a good guy. Why they banned him makes no sense to me. There are plenty of assholes worthy of banning, he wasn't one of them.

assholes are the majority..:D
 
all of the other posts regarding this were deleted this one will be to. i would like it if george would at least give some response.
 
havoc was banned for not posting pics. :)

In truth I highly doubt he cares either way.
 
This post was excellent and very well written. I wish I was as eloquent.
 
Lestat said:
This post was excellent and very well written. I wish I was as eloquent.

I thought your "Sushi" post was eloquent after further review!

Lets face it Handles come and go on elite! This topic has been played for years! Is this "Bad" for elite or does it cause "New Beginnings" for it? Only the future will give us the answer!
 
Spellwin banned some well known mods recently, including warik, for publically critizing the benefits of platinum membership.
 
its probably only coincidental. I can think of several members, far more conservative than warik, who've avoided the chopping block.
 
I tried to PM Warik, and it said that he was NOT ABLE to receive PMs. He was always able to before. Although it doesn't say BANNED by his name, it's obvious what has happened. He hasn't posted whatsoever, he can't accept PMs, etc.
 
I also tried to PM Havoc, and it said the same thing as Warik: that he was NOT ALLOWED to receive PMs. I was able to send him one the day before he got demoted.
 
All this banning is a crock of shit. I do like this site but thinking I wasted my money on fucking platinim. I understand certain subjects should be refrained from talking about out in the open, but then again this is the internet and not every damn thing should be censored.
 
buddy28 said:
Ive been in contact with Warik personally for 2 days via his work email address.

He has been banned.

This is all news to me, but I thought those guys were good guys. But you can't bit the hand that feeds you!
 
Great post. But, I highly suspect that, kinda like Madonna, the owners of EF are genius at reinventing themselves and creating controversy to keep us all interested.
 
VooDoo Lady said:
Great post. But, I highly suspect that, kinda like Madonna, the owners of EF are genius at reinventing themselves and creating controversy to keep us all interested.

I wish that part was true. I really liked both of those guys.
 
VooDoo Lady said:
Great post. But, I highly suspect that, kinda like Madonna, the owners of EF are genius at reinventing themselves and creating controversy to keep us all interested.


I wish that was all it was.
 
Warik informed me he wasnt banned for publically critizing platinum, although that may have contributed to the decision to ban him. Warik said he was banned because he repeatedly suggested amending the TOS in the moderator forum so the Terms of Service could be strictly enforced without resulting in the banning of the majority of EF members.
 
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