I have no idea what's around these days but the pink pentagon thai dball from the 90's were THE SHIT! I think they've been copied so much it's hard to tall what's real, but those suckers were MAGICALLY DELICIOUS. My "Big Stack" for the NPC was 200 mgs of Deca and 20 mgs of dball. I held water like a camel but the pumps were insane.