Testosterone/ clomid/

[noodles1010]

I found this site and thought it would be good for some guys who dont understand how testosterone and clomid work. I'm always reading new stuff, thought this was easy enough to understand. if you search different terms you will get some good answers.


http://www.maledoc.com/blog/2010/04/28/the-story-of-testosterone/

http://www.maledoc.com/blog/2010/04/28/how-clomid-works-in-men/

http://www.maledoc.com/blog/tag/clomid/

http://www.maledoc.com/blog/2011/11/27/taking-over-the-pituitary/

 

[Fishak]

Good info bro. thanks!

 

[stevesmi]

I found this tidbit interesting under the clomid FAQ

What happens when someone stops taking a drug? Do things return to the way that they were?
Logically, you’d think that when someone stops taking a drug, like a medication to increase the production of testosterone by the testis, everything would return to the way that it was before the medication began. But what happens after a drug is stopped can be different than before it began, for better or for worse, and is different for each man. If you’re a patient considering stopping a medication, discuss your concerns with your doctor.

this is the problem with taking SERM's for pct. when you stop using them the party is over. this would explain why so many guys recommend nolva/clomid pct's who quit doing pct's and went on HRT .. i'm very concerned with guys who run SERM pct's and then do bloods and think they are recovered when things show up normal. unfortunately 95% of the time they tested while still having the SERM in the body manipulating things. so then they jump back on cycle when they really should have waited longer. this happens a lot

before anyone gives you advice on pct make sure you ask them if they still cycle. if the answer is no then take their advice with a grain of salt.

 

[Elrock]

Thanks for the post Noodles! There is some good info in there. Thanks

 

[Nelson Montana]

I like the second sentence....


"If used directly, testosterone itself actually decreases the making of testosterone and sperm in a man’s testis."

Sure, but supposedly, it eventually spurs production by increasing LH, but that will also increase estrogen. And once the clomid wears off, the estrogen remains.

Is it starting to make sense why Clomid sucks ass?

 

[noodles1010]

Aww Nelson don't be so sore. A little aromasin, let the body pan out, and were good to go lolol
What is it about clomid that you don't like or agree with?

 

[El Hefe]

Interesting post Noodles. Clomid has kind of grown on me over time. I'm not sure if the people's dislike if Clomid is because of its function and effectiveness or because of their experiences using too high a dose or maybe just because it didn't satisfy them during a large uphill pct climb (or maybe I should say drop).

I've seen plenty of bloods (not during pct, but a bridge or off period) where guys have doubled T levels while on and then their T levels came back down but still to a level maybe 25% higher than their starting point.

Of course everyone may react differently as stated in the original link/article. And age also plays a role as Nelson has mentioned before.

I'm currently between cycles (taking about 4-5 month break) and taking a little HCGenerate with some Clomid (25 mg ed 1st week, then 25 eod after that). I didn't start this until 2 months after pct was finished. And not because I was having problems or symptoms of low T. Just using it as a little boost and for the positive effects that I personally feel when used in this manner.

 

[noodles1010]

usually just before i go on something i read and research the hell out of it. As common or well known as clomid is i never really looked into the effects, or how or why it does what it does until recently... Thus far i havent found any "real negative" information on it. Personal opinions of people who dont like it mostly and some reports of sides. ie stomach ache, emotional, blah blah blah.. i chalk that up to men not being "MEN" anymore. imo if u signed up for it, then shut up and deal with the out come.. my dad always told me, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. so it is what it is when it comes to sides. The benefits seem to out weigh the negatives when if comes to aas and recovery benefits. we will see when i run it. but for now thought this was all a interesting read.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ clomid in low doses stretched out i have no issues with for pct. i will use it too. however what is a problem is the manipulation of your body like the illustration showed with clomid blocking estrogen to the pituitary. what happens when you taper off the clomid after 1 or 1.5 weeks? unfortunately like el hefe said you drop back down as the signal is gone. it is up to your own body to then take over from there

the true way to know you are recovered is to be off everything for a minimum of 2-3 weeks before running bloods. i can have anyone on here run hcg and their T levels would pop up temporarily, doesn't mean your body is truely producing LH.. the hcg is merely mimicking the LH.

i'm sorry to say but many guys on here who run hcg and then run bloods and their T levels are 500 or whatever are sadly mistaken if they assume they are recovered. this is a major mistake and i see it all the time. they will continue to run cycles thereafter and then find themselves one day having to go on HRT cause their HPTA never truely recovered between cycles.

 

[noodles1010]

I have bloods now and ill take bloods after what in doing and post up for comparison. Pictures and bloods are worth a thousand words.
Then again what if I broke my shit lolol that's not funny but I gotta laugh.

 

[El Hefe]

I guess a lot of it boils down to education and expectations (or assumptions).

Some of these drugs are horrible and awesome at the same time depending on ones use, expectations and understanding if the drug.

Too may people don't understand what they're using or the rate of use and then have uneducated or unrealistic expectations of its performance. Then they're screwed, or at the very least, unsatisfied.

 

[noodles1010]

well said...

imo clomid has no benefit running higher than 50/50/25/25. i see some running 100/75/50/25 and even one case of 300/100/100/50... i thought that was just plain stupid. one thing is for sure, you will never not be surprised around here lol unfortunatly

 

[Oatmeal12]

I'm lost in this thread. So are you guys saying to just avoid serms altogether, or do very small doses after cycle? Seems like I'm on the fence here.

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[noodles1010]

Im sayin i dont see a down side to em. I read and hear more positive than negative... When used correctly in proper dosages

 

[Nelson Montana]

Im sayin i dont see a down side to em. I read and hear more positive than negative... When used correctly in proper dosages

No down side? Increased estrogen , decreased libido, delayed recovery, mood swings, vision problems, fatigue and water retention aren't down sides?

Not to mention there isn't one single study showing that testosterone remained elevated one month after cessation of use. if it did, we wouldn't need to use steroids. Just use clomid!

It's a shit drug. There are better options.

 

[noodles1010]

No down side? Increased estrogen , decreased libido, delayed recovery, mood swings, vision problems, fatigue and water retention aren't down sides?

Not to mention there isn't one single study showing that testosterone remained elevated one month after cessation of use. if it did, we wouldn't need to use steroids. Just use clomid!

It's a shit drug. There are better options.

we are all big boys... its the name of the game. increased estrogen- take some aromasin, decreased libido- viagra or t booseters ect, delayed recovery- you lost me, youre in the process of recovery arent you? mood swings- im a moody fuck anyway lol (i got nothin for this one) vision problems- i only read that it happened in a few people and when the dosage was lowered the vision returned to normal, water retention- sit your ass in a sauna for 20 mins after workout.
im playing devils advocate here, dont butcher me...
what better options are there? ive ran a shit load of things and still show no elevation except when i use drugs. personally this will be the first time i used clomid.

 

[Oatmeal12]

And those better options are from NTBM post cycle, unleashed, and hcgenerate? Ill just take these and forget about serms if thats the case

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[stevesmi]

I think whether you run SERMs or not you must take time off between cycles.. this is crucial. if you fail to take time in between you will end up on HRT way sooner than you would like