Test prop

[ironcheif1984]

Hey so after JumpMaster suggested to take some test testosterone propionate i have been reading about it and i am very interested to try it for my first cycle. Here is the thing. I know it has to be shot EOD so i know in the glutes to shoot with a 1 1/2 in needle. but as far as the other inject site like delts traps quads triceps etc etc what size needle should i use to shoot in those areas. Also what would be a good dose. I read that it is a little bit stronger then other test like testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate because of the different ester. I was thinking about trying to do a little bit less then 50mgs eod to to see how it feels and mabye up the dose after that. Also how long should i run the testosterone propionate seeing that most people use it as a kickstart to their cycles. I read that it has less sides but i will have nolvadex on hand incase gynecomastia starts to pop up. Your thought please everyone. I know everyone here know their shit. Thanks

Ironcheif1984

P.S I know i keep changing my mind about this sorry. But i am sure everyone has done this before i am just looking for some good iput on this. Getting some of everyones thoughts on this. Thanks Again everyone....

 

[xrsist]

why you thinking of prop for a first cycle mate?

 

[ironcheif1984]

Well the detection time is only around 2 wks number one. And ive heard it has less bloat and other sides so it sound really good to me and im not scared or cringe at needles either so im all game i just wanted some more opinions about it..

 

[GUARDIAN]

1" is fine for smaller bodyparts possibly even 5/8" depending on bf%

 

[msam76]

50mg eod seems low to me. More like what a female would take. I don't think you will see/feel much at that.

 

[ironcheif1984]

1" is fine for smaller bodyparts possibly even 5/8" depending on bf%

im 180 @ 12.2 % bf do you think that would be ok to shoot those other pins then. Im not cut but im not fat im a pretty good size. 5' 9 in tall

 

[ironcheif1984]

50mg eod seems low to me. More like what a female would take. I don't think you will see/feel much at that.

to alot of guys who have been in the game a while it will be a low does but this is my first cycle i want to feel it out at first and mabye up the dose if need be. How long should i go on this as far as how many weeks would be good.

 

[GUARDIAN]

im 180 @ 12.2 % bf do you think that would be ok to shoot those other pins then. Im not cut but im not fat im a pretty good size. 5' 9 in tall

i prefer 1.5 in quads and glutes though 1" would do fine 4 me. i like the little extra in case it ever breaks.

delts, traps, biceps would all be fine with 1" then.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Here is a question What guage needle should i go with a 23 guage or something smaller.

 

[GUARDIAN]

i get away with 25g for all my sites. i would stick with this or 23g.

 

[needtogetaas]

Hey so after JumpMaster suggested to take some test testosterone propionate i have been reading about it and i am very interested to try it for my first cycle. Here is the thing. I know it has to be shot EOD so i know in the glutes to shoot with a 1 1/2 in needle. but as far as the other inject site like delts traps quads triceps etc etc what size needle should i use to shoot in those areas. Also what would be a good dose. I read that it is a little bit stronger then other test like testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate because of the different ester. I was thinking about trying to do a little bit less then 50mgs eod to to see how it feels and mabye up the dose after that. Also how long should i run the testosterone propionate seeing that most people use it as a kickstart to their cycles. I read that it has less sides but i will have nolvadex on hand incase gynecomastia starts to pop up. Your thought please everyone. I know everyone here know their shit. Thanks

Ironcheif1984

P.S I know i keep changing my mind about this sorry. But i am sure everyone has done this before i am just looking for some good iput on this. Getting some of everyones thoughts on this. Thanks Again everyone....

I use a 23g 1.5 needle on every inject. It seems to be the best needle for any reason.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Bump. How long should i go with the test prop for a first cycle. And needto should i just go with the derm sustain alpha for my post cycle like i was going to originally, i think it will be fine with a lower dose like you said before, but i just wanted you opinion again seeing i switched it up once again lol...

 

[GUARDIAN]

Bump. How long should i go with the test testosterone propionate for a first cycle. And needto should i just go with the derm sustain alpha for my post cycle like i was going to originally, i think it will be fine with a lower dose like you said before, but i just wanted you opinion again seeing i switched it up once again lol...

u could do 6-8 weeks.

 

[ironcheif1984]

u could do 6-8 weeks.

Sweet thanks bro. I think i might go with 6 but see and mabye go with 8 wks. We shall do though i know i can not wait to start though. .

 

[perryscoon]

Test-p is the shit. Kicks in quick. No waiting around for weeks to see gains. You will still bloat though, just not as much as enth, cyp, or sust. Plan to gain about 5 or 6 lbs or water the first week with noticeable strength increases the 3rd day.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Test-p is the shit. Kicks in quick. No waiting around for weeks to see gains. You will still bloat though, just not as much as testosterone enanthate, testosterone cypionate, or Sustanon. Plan to gain about 5 or 6 lbs or water the first week with noticeable strength increases the 3rd day.

Well i see you on 100 mgs ed so it might be a little different for me. Im only gonna be doing 50mgs eod. I should still get good gains from that i would think its only gonna be my first cycle. I cant wait to get started though for sure

 

[perryscoon]

Well i see you on 100 mgs ed so it might be a little different for me. Im only gonna be doing 50mgs eod. I should still get good gains from that i would think its only gonna be my first cycle. I cant wait to get started though for sure

I think you will be disappointed at that dose. That is only 200mg per week. I know its your first cycle and your scared, but I think you should pin at 100mg EoD. Thats still only 400mg EW, which is fairly low.

 

[Cal_21]

Well i see you on 100 mgs ed so it might be a little different for me. Im only gonna be doing 50mgs eod. I should still get good gains from that i would think its only gonna be my first cycle. I cant wait to get started though for sure

Why do three injects a week for like 150-200mg a wk of test? (If you don't have to i.e. detection times)

If you want to stick to a low dose test cycle why not do 200-250mg of a longer ester cyp or enan? You get the same amount of test but only have to pin once a week.

 

[perryscoon]

Why do three injects a week for like 150-200mg a wk of test? (If you don't have to i.e. detection times)

If you want to stick to a low dose test cycle why not do 200-250mg of a longer ester testosterone cypionate or enan? You get the same amount of test but only have to pin once a week.

I love test-p but I agree.

If you're going to run a lose dose like that you might as well only pin once or twice a week i.e. test-e, test-c, sustanon.

 

[ironcheif1984]

I agree with both you Cal21 and perryscoon. The reason i want to is because i am in the Military and want to use something that is in and out fast test prop is only detectible for like up to 3 weeks after your last shot so this is why i want to go with test prop with the shorter ester....

 

[gstacker]

id go higher to and i wouldnt use prop my first cycle, get a lil experience injecting yourself first try 500ml test e a week imo... you only get to do your first cycle once and you can make some good gains you dont want to jus raise your test levels slightly higher

 

[perryscoon]

I agree with both you Cal21 and perryscoon. The reason i want to is because i am in the Military and want to use something that is in and out fast test testosterone propionate is only detectible for like up to 3 weeks after your last shot so this is why i want to go with test testosterone propionate with the shorter ester....

Bro they do not test you for steroids in the military. Those piss tests you take all the time are for rec drugs only.

 

[Cal_21]

I love test-p but I agree.

If you're going to run a lose dose like that you might as well only pin once or twice a week i.e. test-e, test-c, sustanon.

I have no qualms w/ test p lol. Just that to make it really worth it i feel like one should do @ least 50mg ed/100 eod. Well @ least that's how I'm going to approach it lol.

 

[ironcheif1984]

id go higher to and i wouldnt use testosterone propionate my first cycle, get a lil experience injecting yourself first try 500ml testosterone enanthate a week imo... you only get to do your first cycle once and you can make some good gains you dont want to jus raise your test levels slightly higher

Hey dont you think 500ml is a fucking way high dose lmao. I know what you meant. I know they dont test for steroids in the military and only do rec drugs but they will test if they suspect you are using them correct. I know your first cycle is the best one so ive read. Fuck man i dont know anymore i know i am going to cycle but i keep changing my mind about what im going to use this shit is getting old. Mabye i will just go with test c @ 200mgs ew and see how it goes.

 

[Cal_21]

Hey dont you think 500ml is a fucking way high dose lmao. I know what you meant. I know they dont test for steroids in the military and only do rec drugs but they will test if they suspect you are using them correct. I know your first cycle is the best one so ive read. Fuck man i dont know anymore i know i am going to cycle but i keep changing my mind about what im going to use this shit is getting old. Mabye i will just go with testosterone cypionate @ 200mgs ew and see how it goes.

Not really.

I did my first @ 250 and got good gains. But looking back I would love to have bumped it up to 500.

 

[all the whey]

Not really.

I did my first @ 250 and got good gains. But looking back I would love to have bumped it up to 500.

Why? You got good gains. Slowly raise the doses on the following cycles. (if needed)

I am glad I started at low doses. I got good gains. And, I am still not close to what people consider high doses.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Not really.

I did my first @ 250 and got good gains. But looking back I would love to have bumped it up to 500.

LOL read that a little closer is say 500ML and not 500MG lol 500 ml is a whole lot more but i knew what he meant. I just saying i want to start at a low dose so my co-workers dont suspect anything and bump up if need be. I am still going to go with the test prop i dont care about the eod injections we shall see though i heard test prop is painful shit so i shall see.

 

[alexl2]

If i were you i'd do test cypionate 400 mgs a week.

 

[ironcheif1984]

If i were you i'd do test cypionate 400 mgs a week.

Do you not think i will see any gains with 200mgs ew of test prop? It kicks in faster, less bloat, shorter ester, shoter cycle, shorter recovery. Sounds good to me.

 

[perryscoon]

Do you not think i will see any gains with 200mgs ew of test testosterone propionate? It kicks in faster, less bloat, shorter ester, shoter cycle, shorter recovery. Sounds good to me.

Thats an HRT dose bro. That will give you a boner and thats about it. You need at least twice that.

 

[alexl2]

Well if you do 50 mg eod, that equals 175 a week. That is less than most guys get prescribed for HRT. If you are set on prop i would bump it to 100 eod

 

[chazk]

Test testosterone propionate cuases some very quick changes in the body,sex drive goes up ,strenght goes up,agression goes up all with in the first week by second week your rolling
(but not at the low does your going to take plus you need to stack it with something)

Some people pin ed
or eod but the half life of test testosterone propionate is actually 4 days.
so someone could get away with pinning it e3d and still see fast acting results.

The fastest and most dramatic steroid stack is, testprop,trenbolone ace and winnie
you can look in the mirror from week to week and actually see the transformation.

People that have not seen you in 4-6 weeks will wonder what the hell your on.
midsection tightens,face sinks in, vascularity and pumps are intense.

I would suggest for a first run, testp ,trena at 100mg each eod with 50mg of winnie oral ed..

If your gonna do a cycle and want it out of the body in a few months the testp,tren,winne stack is the way to go

 

[ironcheif1984]

Well if you do 50 mg eod, that equals 175 a week. That is less than most guys get prescribed for HRT. If you are set on testosterone propionate i would bump it to 100 eod

How do you figure 175 look say 50 on Monday. 50 on Wednesday. 50 on Friday. 50 on Sunday. 50 on Tuesday. 50 on Thursday 50 on Saturday. 50 on Monday. it equals out to 200 ew unless i am adding wrong.

 

[chazk]

How do you figure 175 look say 50 on Monday. 50 on Wednesday. 50 on Friday. 50 on Sunday. 50 on Tuesday. 50 on Thursday 50 on Saturday. 50 on Monday. it equals out to 200 ew unless i am adding wrong.

injecting eod means the first week you hit 4 injections for 200mg
second week 3 hit 3 injections for 150mg

so over the coarse of 6-8 weeks it turns ot to be only 175mg a week

 

[ironcheif1984]

Test testosterone propionate cuases some very quick changes in the body,sex drive goes up ,strenght goes up,agression goes up all with in the first week by second week your rolling
(but not at the low does your going to take plus you need to stack it with something)

Some people pin ed
or eod but the half life of test testosterone propionate is actually 4 days.
so someone could get away with pinning it e3d and still see fast acting results.

The fastest and most dramatic steroid stack is, testprop,trenbolone ace and winnie
you can look in the mirror from week to week and actually see the transformation.

People that have not seen you in 4-6 weeks will wonder what the hell your on.
midsection tightens,face sinks in, vascularity and pumps are intense.

I would suggest for a first run, testp ,trena at 100mg each eod with 50mg of winnie oral ed..

If your gonna do a cycle and want it out of the body in a few months the testp,trenbolone,winne stack is the way to go

Why would i stack all those compounds together in my first cycle especilly since i have heard that tren ace is not an aas for an beginner.

 

[perryscoon]

Test testosterone propionate cuases some very quick changes in the body,sex drive goes up ,strenght goes up,agression goes up all with in the first week by second week your rolling

Some people pin ed
or eod but the half life of test testosterone propionate is actually 4 days.
so someone could get away with pinning it e3d and still see fast acting results.

The fastest and most dramatic steroid stack is, testprop,trenbolone ace and winnie
you can look in the mirror from week to week and actually see the transformation.

People that have not seen you in 4-6 weeks will wonder what the hell your on.
midsection tightens,face sinks in, vascularity and pumps are intense.

Word to this.

I haven't tried the winny part, but I'm only in my second week and I'm up 10lbs(bloat). The creatine might have added to this as well though.

 

[chazk]

Why would i stack all those compounds together in my first cycle especilly since i have heard that trenbolone ace is not an anabolic androgenic steroids for an beginner.

do what ever you want
175mg of test prop a week is far from a first cycle,

tren is safe some guys abuse the shit out of it becuase it is eazy to get and make so they run 100mg+ ed sometimes more then see serious sides

 

[ironcheif1984]

injecting eod means the first week you hit 4 injections for 200mg
second week 3 hit 3 injections for 150mg

so over the coarse of 6-8 weeks it turns ot to be only 175mg a week

I guess i did add it wrong. I thought i did a good job adding it up to.

 

[perryscoon]

Ya tren provides great results but makes u feel like shit the whole time.

 

[ironcheif1984]

do what ever you want
175mg of test testosterone propionate a week is far from a first cycle,

trenbolone is safe some guys abuse the shit out of it becuase it is eazy to get and make so they run 100mg+ ed sometimes more then see serious sides

Like i said i guess i just added it up wrong bro no need to start getting upset. I am here for advise just like everyone else, all i am saying is that most guys here will tell you to do a test only cycle first. I will bump up the mgs to 300 ew would that be better. I am just getting started and am not ready to start using all these different compound yet i am going to ease my way into this game is all i am saying. I dont want people coming up to me at the end asking questions then a drug test will soon follow. so that is the reason for the lower dose bro. Goverment prolly dont take to kindly to anabolic androgenic steroids usage with its employees. (military)

 

[all the whey]

Like i said i guess i just added it up wrong bro no need to start getting upset. I am here for advise just like everyone else, all i am saying is that most guys here will tell you to do a test only cycle first. I will bump up the mgs to 300 ew would that be better. I am just getting started and am not ready to start using all these different compound yet i am going to ease my way into this game is all i am saying. I dont want people coming up to me at the end asking questions then a drug test will soon follow. so that is the reason for the lower dose bro. Goverment prolly dont take to kindly to anabolic androgenic steroids usage with its employees. (military)

300mg wk sounds good bro. If you are sticking with prop, then 6 weeks is good.

 

[ironcheif1984]

300mg wk sounds good bro. If you are sticking with testosterone propionate, then 6 weeks is good.

Ok so since i cant seem to add the shit up right how would i spit the doses and what day do i do them on. to EQUAL a total of 300mgs ew lol. See that is what i like In quick out quick short cycle, shorter recovery. Start prepping for the second cycle which i am deffinitly going to incorporate some Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - in and run a cycle of testosterone enanthate at 500mgs ew and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - at 400mgs ew... Which wont be for a while after this one prolly when i get out the military i will start hitting the heavier cycles like those.

 

[Cal_21]

LOL read that a little closer is say 500ML and not 500MG lol 500 ml is a whole lot more but i knew what he meant. I just saying i want to start at a low dose so my co-workers dont suspect anything and bump up if need be. I am still going to go with the test testosterone propionate i dont care about the eod injections we shall see though i heard test testosterone propionate is painful shit so i shall see.

LMAO Don't know how I missed that. You'd need to use a turkey baster to administer your gear.

 

[ironcheif1984]

LMAO Don't know how I missed that. You'd need to use a turkey baster to administer your gear.

Yeah it was pretty funny. I knew what was meant to be said though lol... HAHAHAHA Turkey baster LMAO lol

 

[all the whey]

Ok so since i cant seem to add the shit up right how would i spit the doses and what day do i do them on. to EQUAL a total of 300mgs ew lol. See that is what i like In quick out quick short cycle, shorter recovery. Start prepping for the second cycle which i am deffinitly going to incorporate some Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - in and run a cycle of testosterone enanthate at 500mgs ew and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - at 400mgs ew... Which wont be for a while after this one prolly when i get out the military i will start hitting the heavier cycles like those.

My first testosterone propionate was 100mg eod. That is 350mgs wk. It is simpler to measure out.

 

[ironcheif1984]

My first testosterone propionate was 100mg ed. That is 350mgs wk. It is simpler to measure out.

Ok do you mean eod. Because wouldnt ed be 700mg ew...?

 

[all the whey]

Ok do you mean eod. Because wouldnt ed be 700mg ew...?

You got me before I edited.

100mg eod.

 

[ironcheif1984]

You got me before I edited.

100mg eod.

lol its all good. I do that shit too.


So i just figured out the equation i think call me stupid if i did it wrong. ok i took 100 X 4 for the first week since 4 inject right. equals 400 then i X that by 6 for 6 wks. equals 2400 divide that by 7 days in the week and it equals out to be 342.8 mgs ew. Did i look into that shit to far or did i do it wrong let me know

 

[Cal_21]

lol its all good. I do that shit too.


So i just figured out the equation i think call me stupid if i did it wrong. ok i took 100 X 4 for the first week since 4 inject right. equals 400 then i X that by 6 for 6 wks. equals 2400 divide that by 7 days in the week and it equals out to be 342.8 mgs ew. Did i look into that shit to far or did i do it wrong let me know

I did #of days you're on cycle. 6 wks = 6X7= 42. Cut that in half, which is 21(times you'll inject), Multiply that by 100 = total amount of test you'll inject over cycle, which is 2100. Then divide that by 6, which is 350. So it's exactly 350 a week +/- margin of error, and all that other shit I don't understand lol.

 

[ironcheif1984]

I did #of days you're on cycle. 6 wks = 6X7= 42. Cut that in half, which is 21(times you'll inject), Multiply that by 100 = total amount of test you'll inject over cycle, which is 2100. Then divide that by 6, which is 350. So it's exactly 350 a week +/- margin of error, and all that other shit I don't understand lol.

Ahhhh i see now. that is a good way to look at it. Im learing im learning lol

 

[alexl2]

If u do eod injections do this. say u do 100 mgs eod, Multiply 3 x 100, then add half of that number(100) so 100x3 = 300+50, 350 is what u get weekly

Or 50 mgs eod. 50x3=150, 150+25=175 is what u get weekly

Hope that helps

 

[ironcheif1984]

If u do eod injections do this. say u do 100 mgs eod, Multiply 3 x 100, then add half of that number(100) so 100x3 = 300+50, 350 is what u get weekly

Or 50 mgs eod. 50x3=150, 150+25=175 is what u get weekly

Hope that helps

Ummm confused me a little bit. Why are you adding half the number to the 100? Is this just how you figured out to put it in a shoter equation? "yawns fuck i got to go to bed lol i just realized it midnight. FUCK

 

[alexl2]

Because the first week u inject 4 times a week the second week u inject 3 times a week. So say its 100 eod. First week 400 mgs(4 injections). Second week 300 mgs(3 injections). Average that u get 350 mgs a week on average. I am not a good math teacher. but trust me it's right every time

 

[al_ny]

to add my 2 cents. 1st cycle should 250 mg of test cyp or eth. see how you react. test prop is a painful injection.

 

[Bummin]

Maybe Im just a little bitch but my first cycle of test prop was 100mg e3d and it kicked in hard and fast. Actually never worked as good again using much more eod.

 

[GUARDIAN]

to add my 2 cents. 1st cycle should 250 mg of test cyp or eth. see how you react. test prop is a painful injection.

why should the pain have anything to do with it? It has a built in kickstart being fast acting so no orals are needed and you can run a shorter cycle. If anyone cant handle painful injections they got no business doing roids anyways.

 

[perryscoon]

Test-p is not painful. I don't know why people say that. I pin the shit ED with only minimal next day soreness typical with ANY injection.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Test-p is not painful. I don't know why people say that. I pin the shit ED with only minimal next day soreness typical with ANY injection.

How many different inject sites are you using. I almost just said fuck it about the test p because everyone is saying this will hurt fuck injecting eod but fuck it ive been hit with a fucking needle i dont know how many times by the military i think i can handle it. Ever had an anthrax shot. pretty painful shit but not imobilizing by any means. I am going to go with test p for 6 weeks and do 75 mgs eod and bump to 100 if i dont see the results with in the first two weeks. Ill go off of how my body reacts to it to see what i want my dose at and go from there.

 

[all the whey]

How many different inject sites are you using. I almost just said fuck it about the test p because everyone is saying this will hurt fuck injecting eod but fuck it ive been hit with a fucking needle i dont know how many times by the military i think i can handle it. Ever had an anthrax shot. pretty painful shit but not imobilizing by any means. I am going to go with test p for 6 weeks and do 75 mgs eod and bump to 100 if i dont see the results with in the first two weeks. Ill go off of how my body reacts to it to see what i want my dose at and go from there.

When I go eod, I rotate glute shots.

But, I only go six weeks.

 

[ironcheif1984]

When I go eod, I rotate glute shots.

But, I only go six weeks.

That is exactly what i am going to do is rotate glute shots and go for 6 weeks. so i will let everyone know how it goes. ill take measurement before and after to see how much i gain.

 

[ryno9000]

Shit, I wish my threads were this long. However, reading all of this just convinced me to alter my cycle. So, I am not going to even bother posting anything at this point since this answered many of my Q's.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Shit, I wish my threads were this long. However, reading all of this just convinced me to alter my cycle. So, I am not going to even bother posting anything at this point since this answered many of my Q's.

So what will you cycle look like now bro if you dont mind me asking. Thats pretty good that a thread like this could answer most of you questions i guess. Dont be afraid to start your own thread to ask questions that you have bro the people on this site and in the aas board are here to help you and most are more then willing to give you any advice they can.

 

[ryno9000]

So real quick, I now think I will be running Test Prop (my first test cycle. 3rd overal cycle) @ 100mg EOD along with Winstrol 50mg EOD both for six weeks(offset, so I will hit Winstrol and Prop on opposing days. Yes! Daily pokes!). A lean bulker. Arimidex on hand if needed, and Clomid for post cycle. While I'm posting this and taking over poor ironchef's thread, How many days after last inject should I start my PCT?

 

[ironcheif1984]

So real quick, I now think I will be running Test testosterone propionate (my first test cycle. 3rd overal cycle) @ 100mg EOD along with Winstrol 50mg EOD both for six weeks(offset, so I will hit Winstrol and Prop on opposing days. Yes! Daily pokes!). A lean bulker. Arimidex on hand if needed, and Clomid for post cycle. While I'm posting this and taking over poor ironchef's thread, How many days after last inject should I start my PCT - post cycle therapy - ?

Many people here will tell you to start your pct two weeks after your last inject. From what i hear (i havnt tried any as of yet) but you should add in some sustain alpha for pct @5 pumps ew for 4 wks along with your nolva or clomid.

 

[all the whey]

Many people here will tell you to start your PCT - post cycle therapy - two weeks after your last inject. From what i hear (i havnt tried any as of yet) but you should add in some sustain alpha for PCT - post cycle therapy - @5 pumps ew for 4 wks along with your Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - or clomid.

Not with prop!

Prop is faster. Most start pct in 24 - 48 hrs.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Not with testosterone propionate!

Prop is faster. Most start PCT - post cycle therapy - in 24 - 48 hrs.

Well i learn something new everyday i am here. That is why it is a good thing experienced people are on the boards. Thanks for the info.

 

[all the whey]

Well i learn something new everyday i am here. That is why it is a good thing experienced people are on the boards. Thanks for the info.

Props to you for even asking questions, and actually willing to take suggestions.

Most younger guys don't want to listen.

I spend half my time telling young guys to wait, lower doses, etc. It is nice to have the other guys here to back you up on those kind of statements.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Props to you for even asking questions, and actually willing to take suggestions.

Most younger guys don't want to listen.

I spend half my time telling young guys to wait, lower doses, etc. It is nice to have the other guys here to back you up on those kind of statements.

Thats why i am here to ask as many questions and learn as much as i can before i ever take my first injection. Ill take in most everyone's advice on this board because most you have been doing this shit for years and know alot about it alot more then me. Ive learned alot since ive been here shit i have even given my friend advice for his upcoming thrird cycle thanks to this board. Shit he has already done two cycles and dont know as much as me about them. Thanks to everyone who has given me advice so far i appreciate it.