Test Prop and ????

[Unit 2005]

Wots up fellow EF bros??!! hope everything is going well for you all and you are all looking jacked.

I need some help with my next cycle. Im planning on using test prop for 8 weeks max (cutting/lean mass cycle) and would like to run something alongside it thats fast acting and clears the system quickly. I know the options - Var, Winny, Mast, T-Bol. May add some clenbuterol in there if im not looking as lean as i want after the first 4 weeks. Dont wanna touch tren or any nandrolones so NNP is also out. The reason im restriciting my choices is because i ran sustanon, eq and proviron for 14 weeks and took forever to recover. Dick would harly work for the first 6-8 weeks post cycle - and my pct was solid. Hcg, nolva and clomid. Anyway, dont wanna go through such a harsh crash (literally felt like death!)so thinking a quick in and out cycle would suit me better at this time. Primo could be another option, could run the test 2 weeks longer or something before pct.

Also opinions on running hcg on cycle (something i have never done).

Something along the lines of:

Weeks 1-8 Test p 100mg eod
weeks 1-8 Winny 50mg ed

Any input would be great. Hope everyone is enjoying the sun!!

 

[vallby1999]

I am running a longer cycle with propionate,npp,tren.a,winstrol tabs,proviron and dianabol at the begining.
my cycle length will be in the area of 16weeks(more or less,depends on my results by then,if bad longer,if good shorter!)not using npp+tren at the same time/same with dball n winny!

You can also use proviron during a cutting cycle,always worked great for me when i have used propionate,i am getting harder and so on and no water in the body to speak of at dosages of 150mg/day or 300/eod,but things work differently on others so i suppose might work on me but maybe not as good for you,mabe better,hard to say?.

You will probably get better advice from peop0les that has been on cutting cycles more than me that has almost only used bulking when training,so might be better of with their advice!


I have been doing mainly bulk cycles the past 14years so i thought it was time for me to start thinking of how i will look when i am older and have stopped the use of steroids for the most of the year,i now i cant be on the cycles i have been on earlier that has been more than long to say the least 3years short for a couple of months and that time i crashed massive,also been on alot of 1 or 2years cycles,this time is it going to be close to 1year when i have stopped with the fast esters that i started to use when i stopped the use of the cyp/enanthate,i thought i would stop this cycle with short esters only and only be on propionate at the very end before tha pct cycle and a clean period after that(mayby some hgh if i get some that i can trust 100% at a normal price)mayby try out clen again and see if i still get anxiety(shaking and so on)i dont now if the clen shows up on the urin tests at my job that all has to leave from time to time,so i will look into that 1st!

As i wrote in fat text,u will probebly get advice from somebody that are better when it comes to cutting cycles than me who has almost only done bulking the past 14-15years,just now that i have been thinking of cutting back on the gear and only do some smaller cycles once a year that i thought i might be better of getting rid of some before i do that(but nothing is carved in stone more than the laws agains the steroids that are about to come to my countrey,so sick and disgusted by the politics in the whole thing,steroids was 100% legal when i started n soon it will be as in the usa and punnished as hard as narcotics and the things i need before i start up a 12month cycle is easy a few years in prison and i dont think it is worth it on my older days,mayby if i was in my late 20´s i might have had another oppinion,but closing in on 40 and has a job and everything,so prison a few years would fuck my life up pretty much on all sides!

 

[Unit 2005]

Thanks for the reply buddy. 14 years of bulking cycles must see you pretty massive then. 2 year cycles?! thats overkill for sure! I have run 5 cycles and all have been 8-14 week cycles with long estered steroids. Used prop as a kickstart to sustanon cycle. 100mg ontop of the 250 shots 2-3 week first 2 weeks. worked well.

Thanks for the reply again, i have loads of proviron laying around so may add that to prop, winny and primo. I love my dbol kickers but wana stay really lean!

 

[EZ_E]

wots up fellow ef bros??!! Hope everything is going well for you all and you are all looking jacked.

I need some help with my next cycle. Im planning on using test prop for 8 weeks max (cutting/lean mass cycle) and would like to run something alongside it thats fast acting and clears the system quickly. I know the options - var, winny, mast, t-bol. May add some clenbuterol in there if im not looking as lean as i want after the first 4 weeks. Dont wanna touch tren or any nandrolones so nnp is also out. The reason im restriciting my choices is because i ran sustanon, eq and proviron for 14 weeks and took forever to recover. Dick would harly work for the first 6-8 weeks post cycle - and my pct was solid. Hcg, nolva and clomid.

here's your recovery issue bro, this is no way a solid pct with the advances in pct that there are today. The post cycle products @ needtobuildmuscle.com are what everyone should be using imo....

Hcgenerate last 4 weeks of cycle
then:
Post cycle
unleashed
sustain alpha

anyway, dont wanna go through such a harsh crash (literally felt like death!)so thinking a quick in and out cycle would suit me better at this time. Primo could be another option, could run the test 2 weeks longer or something before pct.

Also opinions on running hcg on cycle (something i have never done).

Something along the lines of:

Weeks 1-8 test p 100mg eod
weeks 1-8 winny 50mg ed

any input would be great. Hope everyone is enjoying the sun!!

~ez

 

[Unit 2005]

Always worked well for me in the last and pretty much every guy in my gym. Not saying those products are not as good or better, but i have no experience with them, and dont know anyone over here who has. Any other input to my cycle fellas?

 

[Tux]

Why do you people keep hating on nolva, hcg, and clomid? Just wondering since this is almost the ONLY board that does it? I use ONLY nolva for pct, and only 2 weeks of it at 40mg first week, 20mg 2nd week, and I recover within 2-3 weeks tops even after 3g/week cycles. Must work for some of us yes? Don't bash real drugs in favor of the stuff this board promotes b/c of it's sponsors. Most of it IS great stuff and should definitely be given a try if what you're doing isn't working. But I just don't like to see people constantly bashing good PCT that has worked for decades longer than these things like sustain have been around. No offense intended to anyone, I use some of those products myself, the fat-burners are excellent and I just ordered a bottle of the new super-stimulant stuff to try... but for me, PCT is 2 weeks of nolva and nothing else, and I've never taken longer than 3 weeks to recover fully, blood tests to prove it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Wots up fellow EF bros??!! hope everything is going well for you all and you are all looking jacked.

I need some help with my next cycle. Im planning on using test prop for 8 weeks max (cutting/lean mass cycle) and would like to run something alongside it thats fast acting and clears the system quickly. I know the options - Var, Winny, Mast, T-Bol. May add some clenbuterol in there if im not looking as lean as i want after the first 4 weeks. Dont wanna touch tren or any nandrolones so NNP is also out. The reason im restriciting my choices is because i ran sustanon, eq and proviron for 14 weeks and took forever to recover. Dick would harly work for the first 6-8 weeks post cycle - and my pct was solid. Hcg, nolva and clomid. Anyway, dont wanna go through such a harsh crash (literally felt like death!)so thinking a quick in and out cycle would suit me better at this time. Primo could be another option, could run the test 2 weeks longer or something before pct.

Also opinions on running hcg on cycle (something i have never done).

Something along the lines of:

Weeks 1-8 Test p 100mg eod
weeks 1-8 Winny 50mg ed

Any input would be great. Hope everyone is enjoying the sun!!

THERE is your problem. Thinking that old outdated, erroneous PCT is actually good.

 

[Unit 2005]

so what are you saying dude, run higher dosages of test alone or run test, winny and tbol?